peter: that was eto peel? mr. wurfl: yes, that was my teacher. did he know you were jewish -- peter: did he know you were jewish? mr. wurfl: yes, he did. he on my second mother, irma, knew each other and they talked about it. they both do -- they both knew. they saved us. peter: why do you think that your teacher did not expose you? mr. wurfl: it is a good question. i don't know. he had three boys of his own. we became good friends with them, his sons. his younger son was my best friend and then during the war he was unfortunately killed, a terrible loss for me, but we were extremely lucky. number one, what protected us was the fact that we were baptized catholic. number two, that we were in dunga's -- dangas with irma who protected us, and number three, she had two children, a daughter and a son, and they were both in the hitler youth. she told us as soon as we got back that we should also be in the hitler youth and if we would not be, people would question, what are these children doing, why aren't they in hitler youth? so in order to be safe,