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ON "AFTER WORDS" NATIONAL REVIEW
EXECUTIVE EDITOR -- EXCESSIVE

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DISCUSSES HIS BOOK MELTING POT

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OR CIVIL WAR.

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HE MAKES THE CASE OF OPEN

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BORDERS.

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HE'S INTERVIEWED BY THE FORMER

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SERVICE.

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>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEXT

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SEVERAL DECADES PARTLY BECAUSE

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OF FALLING BIRTH RATES AMONG

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NATIVEBORN AMERICANS IMMIGRATION

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REALLY IS A BIG DRIVER AND A

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COMPOSITION THAT IMMIGRATION IS

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NOT JUST A DISCREET MATTER OF

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IMMIGRATION POLICY BUT BECAUSE

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OF HUMAN CAPITAL POLICY AND THE

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CHARACTER OF OUR SCHOOLS AND

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FUTURE WORKFORCE AND MUCH ELSE.

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IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE
TOUCHING ON MANY DIFFERENT

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SECTORS.

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>> WATCH THIS WEEKEND ON C-SPAN2
BOOK TO BE.

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>> EARLIER TODAY BEFORE

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DEPARTING FOR THE G20 SUMMIT IN

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ARGENTINA PRESENT HIM SPOKE WITH

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REPORTERS AT THE WHITE HOUSE TO

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TALK ABOUT HIS FORMER ATTORNEY

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MICHAEL COHEN RELATIONS WITH
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WHERE [INAUDIBLE]

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>> HE PUT OUT A STATEMENT

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TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT WHICH

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WAS ESSENTIALLY I GUESS MORE

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OR LESS AN OPTION THAT WE WERE

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LOOKING AT IT IN MOSCOW AND

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EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT IT.

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IT WAS WRITTEN IN HIS PAPERS AND

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ONE ON PROJECT.
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DICKSTEIN AND EVEN BEFORE THAT

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IT LASTED A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME

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AND I DID NOT DO THE PROJECT.

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I DECIDED NOT TO DO THE PROJECT.

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WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING A

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PROJECT BUT DOING NOT A PROJECT.

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MICHAEL COHEN.
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YET YOU PUT IT INTO LEGAL TERMS
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FAIRLY LONG-TERM SENTENCE ON

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THINGS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE

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IT HAD TO DO WITH MORTGAGES AND

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CHEATING THE IRS PERHAPS A LOT

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OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
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CONVICTED OF VARIOUS THINGS

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UNRELATED TO US.
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SENTENCE AND A WEAK PERSON AND

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BY BEING WEAK UNLIKE OTHER

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PEOPLE THAT YOU WATCH HE'S A

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WEAK PERSON AND WHAT HE IS

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TRYING TO DO IS GET A REDUCED

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SENTENCE.
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THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A
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OPTION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU

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THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NOTHING

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IF I DID DO IT THERE WOULD BE

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NOTHING WRONG.

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>> HE'S LYING TO GET A REDUCED

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IS I MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO

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BUSINESS.
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DO BUSINESS.
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BUSINESS AND IN FACT I WAS THE

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ONLY PERSON THAT CAN PAINT
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THAT WAS A PROJECT I DID NOT DO.

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IT WAS A PROJECT AND NUMBER ONE

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IS THAT I WAS FOCUSED AND

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RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT WANTED

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THAT TO BE MY PRIMARY FOCUS NOT

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RUNNING OR BUILDING A BUILDING.

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HAPPEN.
NO DEAL.

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THINKING THERE WAS AN OPTION IT

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WAS AN OPTION I DECIDED NOT TO

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DO.

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EXCUSE ME, THIS WAS AN OPTION IN

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A FORUM BUT HERE VERY SIMPLE WE

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HAD A POSITION TO POSSIBLY DO A

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DEAL TO BUILD A BUILDING OF SOME

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KIND IN MOSCOW.
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THE PRIMARY REASON THAT COULD

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HAVE BEEN OTHER REASONS BUT THE

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PRIMARY REASON WAS SIMPLE.

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THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG IF

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I DID DO IT.

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I WAS RUNNING MY BUSINESS WHILE

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I WAS CAMPAIGNING AND THERE'S A

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GOOD CHANCE I WOULD NOT HAVE ONE

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IN WHICH I WOULD HAVE GONE BACK

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INTO THE BUSINESS AND WHY SHOULD

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I LOSE OPPORTUNITY?

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SO, HERE IS THE STORY.

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AND LOOK AT THE PAPERS THAT

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MICHAEL COHEN WROTE BEFORE HE

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TESTIFIED IN THE HOUSE AND OR

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SENATE.
THEY TALK ABOUT HIS POSITION AND

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WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO BECAUSE

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SMART PERSON.
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SIMPLE -- HE GOT HIMSELF A BIG

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PRISON SENTENCE AND TRYING TO

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GET A MUCH LESSER PRISON

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SENTENCE BY MAKING UP A STORY.

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HERE'S THE THING.

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EVEN IF HE WAS RIGHT IT DOES NOT

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MATTER BECAUSE I WAS ALLOWED TO

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DO WHATEVER I WANTED TO DO.

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OF DIFFERENT THINGS DURING THE

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CAMPAIGN SO VERY SIMPLY MICHAEL

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COHEN IS TRYING TO GET A REDUCED

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SENTENCE FOR THINGS THAT HAVE

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NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

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LET ME GO A STEP FURTHER.

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I THINK IT WAS JANUARY IT WAS

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JUST REPORTED BY CATHERINE

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HARRIS TERRIFIC REPORTER ON

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FOX.

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SHE TALKS ABOUT A LETTER HE

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SIGNED AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER

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IT AND IT SPECIFICALLY TALKS

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ABOUT THIS DEAL.

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IT WAS A PUBLIC DEAL AND
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I WAS NOT TRYING TO HIDE
ANYTHING.

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HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.

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>> WHAT IS YOUR SENSE ABOUT A

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TRADE DEAL WITH CHINA AND WHAT
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SOME THEY WOULD SIGN UP BUT I
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BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW

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IS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF

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DOLLARS COMING INTO THE UNITED

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STATES IN THE FORM OF TARIFFS

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AND TAXES.
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TELL YOU I THINK CHINA IS OPEN

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TO MAKE A DEAL AND I AM BUT
FRANKLY, I LIKE VIDEO WE HAVE

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RIGHT NOW.

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WE'RE NOT DETERMINED THAT
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IT BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.

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MEETING AND I'M GETTING A FULL

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REPORT AS TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH

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RESPECT TO THE PLANE THAT WILL

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DETERMINE.

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WERE GETTING A FINALIZE REPORT.

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WE ARE GETTING A FINALIZE REPORT
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SOMETIME SOON.

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MEETING WITH THE CROWN PRINCE?

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BUT WE DID NOT SET THAT ONE UP
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PRESIDENT SHEET WHICH IS A

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PRESIDENT -- IMPORTANT MEETING

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HAVING TO DO A TRADE AND I'M

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MAKING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR

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MEETINGS WITH JUST ENOUGH TIME.

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THE APARTMENT WITH RESPECT TO

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PAUL MANAFORT WHO IS VERY SAD

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WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO PAUL, THE

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WAY HE'S BEEN TWEETED.
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SO POORLY.

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QUESTION WAS ASKED BY THE NEW
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OFFERED ANY PARDONS AND I THINK

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THEY ASKED FOR WHATEVER WITH YOU

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AND I SAID I'M NOT TAKING

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ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE.
THAT WAS DONE IS A QUESTION FROM

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THE NEW YORK POST.

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>> IF COHEN IS SUCH A BUM WHY

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DID YOU HIRE HIM, HAVE THEM ON

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YOUR PAYROLL FOR 12 YEARS AND

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HAVE THEM DO SO MUCH OF YOUR

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DIRTY WORK --

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DID ME A FAVOR.
A LONG TIME AGO HE DID ME A

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FAVOR.

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I'M NOT WORRIED AT ALL ABOUT

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HIM.
TAKE A LOOK AT HIS WRITTEN

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DOCUMENT GO BACK TAKE A LOOK
AT WHAT HE WROTE AND I THINK IN

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JANUARY HE IS A WRITTEN

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STATEMENT AND THAT IS THE FAX.

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YEAH.

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>> YOU CAN'T WITH THE

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HELICOPTER.
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DON'T GET BORDER SECURITY

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POSSIBLE SHUTDOWN.
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[BACKGROUND NOISES]

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>> PRESIDENT SPEAKING BEFORE HE
LEFT FOR ARGENTINA.

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SENATE FAMILY BACK IN NOW.

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THEY TOOK A SHORT RECESS.
MY COVERAGE HERE ON.

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>> PRESIDENT SPEAKING BEFORE HE

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LEFT FOR ARGENTINA.
SENATE FAMILY BACK IN NOW.

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THEY TOOK A SHORT RECESS.

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MY COVERAGE HERE ON