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him eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. what could be a 2020 preview, the president is also in iowa, and he will likely hit back at biden. you know he will. as the two fight for turf in this key battleground state. joining us now, senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny joins us, also kaitlan collins is live in des moines. jeff, let me begin with you. what is most striking from the remarks biden will give? >> poppy, good morning. no question joe biden is trying to make this a race between him and president trump. he wants democrats to see him as the strongest democratic candidate to take on the president. and to unseat the president. so he is going after him on, with an economic argument about restoring civility to the white house, but what joe biden is also trying to do is distract from his primary race at hand. he has had a very rocky week, the past seven days or so, in his campaign.

flip-flopping on the hyde amendment, some other matters. so he's trying to sort of brush that aside and say look, i'm the strongest candidate here. so and some democrats, of course, their top concern is finding someone who is electable to defeat the president, but not everyone is sure, of course, that joe biden is that person. we're not going to hear any new policy from him, any sort of new or bolder ideas. he's saying, look, president trump is not the leader the u.s. needs. the question is, though, do democrats want to hear that, or do they want to hear policy proposals and ideas? he's leading in our latest iowa poll, but it's not nearly as strong as before. he's trying to make the argument against president trump to help himself among democrats. >> and so kaitlan, interesting note in the times this morning, they're quoting sam nunberg who worked for the campaign last time around, who said the president views biden as a failed vice president who is going to be savaged by the left to the point of unelectability. is that what we're going to hear from the president today? >> we have actually heard that a

lot from the trump campaign, because they think joe biden is someone who is trying to appeal to those middle of the road voters that the president captured in 2016. and they think if he's in this democratic primary doing things like reversing his position on the hyde amendment, that it's going to push him further to the left and help president trump in the end. now, that's their argument, and that comes as the president sees joe biden as his biggest threat to those blue-collar voters. and that's why you have seen the president so consumed with joe biden, more than he has been with any other 2020 potential nominee in this race. and that's why he's focused on him so much. so of course, the feud we have seen bubbling up between the two of them is going to loom over both of their visits here today in iowa. even though, poppy, they're not going to come within 100 miles of each other as they make various stops throughout the state. that's because the president sees joe biden as a threat, so of course, you can't expect the president to go after him, because we have seen him do it from the south lawn of the white house, while in tokyo standing next to the japanese prime

minister at a press conference. of course, on twitter. you can expect to hear more of that today when they're both in the same state. >> okay, that starts very soon. thank you so much. kaitlan collins and jeff zeleny. let's talk about this. cnn senior political commentator john kasich, former ohio governor and 2016 presidential candidate. question mark if he will be a future presidential candidate as well. john kasich joins me now. good morning to you, governor. i appreciate you. i'm not even going to ask you that question. >> i'm out here at otterbein college. >> let's start with joe biden and how he's going to attack the president. a little more from his attacks he'll give. he says cashiers at target know more about the economy than the president. the president cares, quote, zero, about farmers in iowa and across the midwest. no holding back. is that the best tactic against president trump? >> you know, poppy, the day he announced, i listened to it all. i said he was setting himself up

to be running against donald trump, not to be pulled down by these other democrats. and he's pretty much stuck to that. and i think he has to be careful that he doesn't get yanked to the left, that he doesn't say okay, yeah, i have to change my position. but these campaigns go up and down. and i think the biden campaign probably needs a little bit of oil to get him going again, to be smoother. but you know, his campaign is going to be about donald trump is not good for this country. he tears it apart. that's what you're going to hear. and he's going to set himself up against donald trump and try to stay out of the trap of taking the bait from other democrat candidates. >> but is it a misstep, governor, for him to talk so much about president trump, as if this were already the general? >> that's what i would do. no, that's what i would be doing. i would be acting as though it was a general election. and frankly, look, the strongest candidate in my opinion, and i'm not here to do anything other

than to give you my analysis, the strongest candidate right now is joe biden. he has to watch if he has gas, they're starting to attack him that he's too old, but you know what, donald trump is three years younger. it's not like he's 20 years younger, and age is different today. so i think for joe biden to be presenting himself as the standard bearer against trump, i happen to think it's really smart strategy. what i found interesting here from the trump campaign is they're talking about running a campaign in oregon. >> yes, so that's my next question. this is dana bash's great reporting. let me lay it out for people who haven't read it. she just broke this news, the trump campaign not relying on the 2016 playbook. apparently, they think that the midwest rust belt is not a lock for them. so they're looking at states like oregon, where clinton beat trump by 11 points. no republican presidential candidate has won there since 1984. is this a hail mary desperation

move or smart? >> it may be a faint. it may be something they're say they're going there but they will never go there. the problem is they have deep trouble in pennsylvania and in michigan. i'm beginning to believe those states could be out of reach for trump. wisconsin, still leaning against trump, but maybe winnable. and they're talking about a couple other states. talking about new mexico, they're talking about new hampshire. when you look at the numbers, you talk about new mexico. okay, they have, i think, the most federal workers in the country. heavy in hispanic vote. i don't see how they win new mexico. i don't see how that happens. so i think they're looking around trying to figure out what's the right path, which tells you they recognize the fact that they have trouble in pennsylvania and in michigan. these are critical states for the trump campaign. >> can i ask you about china? because that is something that biden is going to hit hard in the speech today. he got a lot of grief, not only from the trump camp, but from

some fellow democrats, voters, when he said a few weeks ago, you know, china is not, quote, competition for us. today he's going to try to reexplain that. he says he doesn't want anyone to misunderstand him. we need to get tough on china, et cetera. do you think that the biden camp or biden himself just misread the bipartisan support for going very tough on china? >> i don't know what he was thinking. first of all, if you look at the protests in hong kong over the weekend, you had like a million people saying, here's what's going on for the viewers watching here. they want to be able to move trials from hong kong into china. why? because they want to be able to stop dissent. if you're a political opponent of the chinese government, they want to take you to the mainland and lock you in jail forever. and they cheat, they steal our secrets. and this is a problem not just for the united states but the entire free world, the western world.

and so to say that this is not a competition, i think is wrong. what biden has to be careful of is he might want this too badly. when you want something too badly, sometimes you're willing to say things or give things up, and it will work against you. >> do you mean on the hyde amendment? >> i'm talking about on everything. i'm talking about the fact that you cannot want to get elected so badly, because people will smell it. they will say, oh, that authenticity you used to have you don't have anymore. he has to be very careful that he doesn't try to sell out to those people who scream the loudest in the democratic party. because i think those who scream the loudest, poppy, are not center left. i think they're farther left. so pay attention to him. but don't begin to flip-flop all over the place, or you'll lose and then we'll see who emerges. >> that's interesting analysis. all right, governor kasich, thank you for joining us. always a joy. appreciate it. >> always a pleasure. thanks, poppy. >> let's get to that devastating

breaking news out of new york yesterday afternoon. the helict, shook a manhattan high rise, and terrified thousands about the only thing authorities know for sure is it could have been a lot worse. the chopper went down on the roof of a 54-story building. in rough weather, in restricted air space. no one else was injured. if you don't count some heart-stopping flashbacks of that september morning 18 years ago. i'm joined by brynn gingras on seventh avenue, and from denver, faa safety inspector david soucie. update us if you would on where the investigation stands. any sense why the chopper was flying there in this weather? >> and that's the big question right now, poppy. we know that ntsb officials are on the roof of this high-rise, looking over that wreckage. remember, this is a roof when firefighters arrived, the entire debris field was on fire. you can imagine it's going to be

a pretty extensive investigation that might prove some difficulties. but what we know is that that pilot took off during horrible weather here in new york city. it's unclear why he thought he might have some visibility once he was up in the air. and 11 minutes later, he had the crash landing here in midtown. and yeah, the big questions are why did he choose this building, if he tried to choose this building? how did he end up in midtown? again, this is restricted air space because of trump tower being really close to this area, in general, is restricted air space in the middle of manhattan. this was an experienced pilot. his name, timothy mccormick. by all accounts, he's been a pilot with 20 years experience. he got his commercial pilot's license in 2004. he most recently was certified as a flight instructor. unfortunately, he probably has a lot of these answers that officials are looking to get answers to. >> okay, david soucie, to you. one thing that strikes me is that you point out there are no flight data recorders.

in an airplane crash, if they're able to retrieve that, they can learn a lot. they're not going to have that ability in this, right? >> no, they're really not. unless there was some direct communication that he had to someone on the ground about why he was where he was and what was going on, there's going to be a lot of questions that need to be answered, and only tim had those answers, i believe. >> also, it does not appear, david, that the pilot was ever in contact with atc. is that strike you as odd? >> well, it sort of does for midtown. but not really. i mean, if you're experienced and you have been in that area, in visual flight rules, which this obviously was not, but in visual flight rules, it's very common for someone to be able to take off and move through there. you get precertified or the aircraft is preregistered to be operating in those areas and you just look out for each other. it's not really the best of situations. but it is the way it's been

operating safely for many, many years. >> you know, it was back in the 1970s that new york city banned those rooftop helipads on the buildings. now you have three different heliports around the city, about half as many choppers leave from there as used to when the city cracked down. there are officials, including members of congress, congresswoman caroline yn malon for example, who want to ban nonpolice helicopters. they want to ban them completely from manhattan. is that gaining traction? >> you know, i think -- >> cere, david. brynn? >> i think it's sparking up again. every time there is sort of a noncommercial helicopter that goes down, whether it's a sight seeing helicopter or in this case, an executive helicopter, it does gain voices. it is certainly a very dense populated area, and this, as you

pointed out to your viewers in the beginning, could have been a lot worse. i do think it will spark up once again. >> finally, david, are there rules and actual regulations for when a helicopter can and can't take off from a heliport in new york city? >> yes, there are. there's not -- there is some gray area. but not much. i mean, every other operator in the area had stopped flying that day, yesterday. so it was very surprising that he decided that he would take off. i'm still confused about that. >> okay, david soucie, thank you for the expertise. brynn, thank you for the great reporting. still to come, one-on-one with house speaker nancy pelosi. our manu raju is about to sit down with her. you'll see that interview live in just minutes, where she stands right now on impeachment, and her responsibility and attacks on the president. that's straight ahead. plus, house democrats and the justice department strike a deal to give congress some of

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i'm poppy harlow in new york. there is a looming court battle between house democrats and the department of justice over the mueller report that is now at least on hold for a little bit. house judiciary chairman jerry nadler says he's struck a deal for attorney general bill barr to hand over some of the mueller report's underlying evidence. some of what nadler calls the most important files related to obstruction of justice. despite the agreement, the house will still vote later today on a resolution that would enforce subpoenas on barr and former white house counsel don mcgahn. lauren fox is on capitol hill with more. this is, i suppose, a little crack in the stonewalling. >> well, absolutely, poppy. they are still moving forward with this vote today. that's for a couple reasons. one, they need to be able to

enforce that subpoena against don mcgahn in court. they also need to be able to enforce the subpoena to get grand jury information related to the mueller report and one other key piece in this, which is that it would allow committee chairmen to take future subpoenas that are unanswered and go directly to court without having to go to the house floor. that's important. it empowers chairmen and codifies that into law. one of the things about this deal that was struck with the department of justice yesterday is nadler says, you know, no further action will be taken against attorney general bill barr if he proceeds in good faith. but nadler did warn yesterday, quote, if important information is held back, then we will have no choice but to enforce our subpoena in court and consider other remedies. i would just want to remind everyone that tomorrow in the house oversight committee, there's another contempt vote against bill barr and wilbur ross. the secretary of commerce. that's related to another investigation into why there is a question about u.s.

citizenship on the u.s. census. poppy. >> okay, lauren fox, all important reporting. thank you very much. with me to discuss, elie honig, our legal analyst. good to have you, elie. what do you make of this deal? did the democrats contempt threat work or did it allow the white house and department of justice to delay for two and a half months. >> it's a smart deal, and to an extent, it did work. it's a fair and reasonable deal. both sides get something. barr gets to sort of go against this appearance of stonewalling and he gets out from the threat of contempt. nadler gets at least some documents he's characterized them as the key documents. we don't know exactly what he means, but both sides get something and it keeps it from going to the next level. there are other big disputes brewing, but for this, it's a fair resolution. >> what about some of the other big disputes, such as don mcgahn showing up and not leaving an empty chair to testify, or hope hicks or the special counsel

mueller? you say there won't be a compromise with those folks. >> i don't see how there could be. they could negotiate around the edges of what those people will be testifying about, but really it's a yes/no. will they be behind the microphone and giving testimony. thus far, the answer has been no. i think today's vote is related to that, to get authorization to go into the courts and force them to come in and testify. >> let's listen to a bit of the hearing from yesterday. the house judiciary committee held one in a series of hearings about the mueller report. they called former white house counsel under nixon john dean. to testify. dean said there were, quote, remarkable parallels between the mueller report and the findings compiled in the watergate scandal. here's a clip. >> in many ways, the mueller report is to president trump what the so-called watergate road map, officially titled the grand jury report, was to president richard nixon. stated a little differently,

special counsel mueller has provided this committee with a road map. >> you think that hearing was a dud. your word, not mine. why? >> i do. look, they had richard nixon's white house counsel there. i think the one they really need is donald trump's white house counsel, don mcgahn. it's the difference between firsthand witnesses and second-hand witnesses. john dean said i wasn't here for any of this. i can't tell you what happened sort of behind closed doors in the white house. it's just outsider assessment. versus don mcgahn, the people they need, that nadler really needs to fight in there. >> the fact witnesses. >> don mcgahn, hope hicks, ropert mueller is sort of a mix, but that's where the rubber is going to meet the road. that's what will make a difference. >> why spend time on something like this you're saying. thanks so much. after the break, you want to stay around for this. manu raju sits down one-on-one with house speaker nancy pelosi in a live in depth interview. that's next.

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chairman jerry nadler. of course, that's where impeachment proceedings would begin in the house, in the judiciary committee. so let's learn more. lauren fox back with us from capitol hill. i mean, i think if you ask the two of them directly, which manu raju will do in just a minute live, i think they would say there's not a lot of daylight between us, but what's your reporting? >> one of the questions that has sort of surrounded speaker pelosi is how long she can hold off on those calls for impeachment inquiry to start. i think one of the most difficult parts for jerry nadler is that he sort of views an impeachment inquiry as a way to begin and sort of coalesce all of these investigations that have been going on in the house of representatives under one roof, and of course, that would go through his committee. that's been his argument to the speaker. and there are many members on his committee, especially, who are getting restless. pelosi has sort of a political arm to also think about. that's the fact that a lot of her freshman members won in districts that the president won

in 2016. they have a tough road ahead of them already in their re-elections in 2020. and basically, putting them in a position where they would have to move forward or vote on impeachment on the floor of the house of representatives could be difficult. so there are a lot of considerations at this moment. one coming from the base to move forward with an impeachment inquiry. another coming from the political arm of her party, basically arguing that maybe that may not be the best step moving forward. poppy. >> okay. so we're also expecting pelosi to respond to some of the recent attacks from the president against her. what is your reporting on just how the caucus feels overall of the job that nancy pelosi has done on this front? sort of toeing the line here? >> well, this is a speaker who has accomplished a lot legislatively in the past. she's a speaker who many democrats have a lot of faith can get things done. but i think one of the pieces of concern i have heard from members and from aides behind the scenes is that there's a concern that this discussion about impeachment, that this

discussion about investigations, has sort of clouded over what they could accomplish legislatively, whether that's moving forward with background check legislation, whether that is moving forward with the dream act. a lot of that has gotten lost in the shuffle with this whole debate about whether or not to open an impeachment inquiry. i think that's something that she's sort of struggling with, and i know a lot of folks behind the scenes are trying to encourage her to find a way to get that message out there. so i think moving forward, you'll definitely see committee members and chairmen trying to focus on their legislative agenda because you can't just go out and run in some of these tough districts on investigations against the president. especially in places where voters may be sympathetic at times to the president of the united states. they might view that as too political. that's sort of the challenge that she's had ahead of her, but i think a lot of members view her as somebody who couldn't get things done. she had a tough slog to get back in the speaker slot, and she did it pretty seamlessly. i think that's something that

really marks how able she has been able to coalesce support in her caucus. >> okay, lauren fox, thank you so mch. we're standing by to hear from house speaker nancy pelosi sitting down one-on-one with manu raju. in just a moment, you'll see that here. >> in the meantime, the trump campaign relies on the rust belt to carry the president to victory in 2016. in 2020, they're not totally counting on that. our dana bash joins us with a look at the unique playbook the trump team sees ahead. poppy, cnn has learned the trump campaign is considering putting resources into oregon. a state where hillary clinton beat the president by 11 percentage points in 2016. now, the reason it's news that this is even a consideration is oregon is so blue that it has not voted for a republican for president since 1984. but the trump campaign is flush with cash, and it's looking for ways to spend its money and time wisely while the democrats duke

it out. and they're trying to find ways to expand the map, to find alternative paths to the 270 electoral votes needed for victory. to be sure, the trump campaign is under no illusion that oregon is winnable at this point, but they also know that retaking states like pennsylvania, michigan, or even iowa, where the president is traveling today, are not sure bets at all. in fact, a senior trump adviser explained it to me this way, saying if we are a month out and a previous victory like michigan is not possible, it would be nice to know other states are options. now, the last gop presidential candidate to invest early in oregon was george w. bush in 2004. and he lost to john kerry by four percentage points. poppy. >> that's right. fascinating reporting from our dana bash. thank you so much. >> all right, so stay right here. after the break, our manu raju sits down one-on-one with house speaker nancy pelosi for an in depth live interview. uh-oh, looks like someone's

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probably the most aggressive remarks i have heard a president make about a speaker of the house. he said you were nervous. he called you a disaster. he also calls you a nasty, vindictive, horrible person. this is not me, this is the president saying this. he later went on to tweet you were a disgrace to yourself and your family. how do you react to the president of the united states calling you, the speaker of the house, insulting you like that? >> well, what bothers me more is we're talking about that instead of how to reduce the national debt. let's just say this. we were in normandy, and that morning before the president made his statement, i was being interviewed by msnbc, and they asked me about the president. and i said we're here about our veterans. and i have a rule for any codells. you can ask anyone, democrat or republican, always say the first rule is we never criticize a president of the united states when we are overseas. we just don't do that.

we have plenty of time to do that back home. but when we travel, we don't. especially when we're here to honor the courage of our veterans and thank them for that courage. and also to salute the cooperation and collaboration of our country with our allies in the greatest naval invasion in the history of the world, to save civilization as we know it today and our freedoms. so i said basically i'm not here to say anything about the president. and we had the same backdrop, the tombstones of our veterans who are buried in normandy. the president took a different tact. i don't think -- i'm done with him. i don't even want to talk about him. >> you have to work with him. how do you work with him after he levels such an insult against you overseas? >> i just consider the source. >> what do you mean by that? >> my stock goes up every time he attacks me. what can i say? let's not spend too much time on

that, because that's his victory. the diverter of attention in chief. we'll talk about this instead of talking about the fact that the president, his behavior in terms of tariffs and trade and all the issues, in terms of what we need to do for our country to solve some of the challenges that we face, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure. we thought we had a working relationship with him on that. he's always talked about infrastructure as a priority, and i believed him in that regard. but when it came time to pay for it, he diverted attention to personal nastiness. you know, again, that's not -- that's not the point. it's a waste of time. >> he was apparently set off from remarks you reportedly made in private saying you would rather see him in prison than

mee impeached. >> i don't care what motivates him and we never know, but in terms of the tombstones of the fallen and we're at the 75th anniversary of normandy. you be the judge of whether you think it's appropriate for the president to take that tact. i am not going to talk about him anymore. >> did you actually say the president, you would rather see him in prison? >> when we have conversations in our caucus, they stay in our caucus. do people think there's some impeachable offenses the president committed? yes. how serious are they? are they criminal? many people think they are. >> do you think they are? >> that's not the -- i'm here to talk about -- >> we will get into that. i fraums you that. >> i'm not going to that place of what happens within our caucus. what we're talking about is what is happening within our country, about how we go forward with investments in the future, to educate our workforce for the 21st century, workforce development, essential to infrastructure development. our for the people agenda, for the people.

that's what we ran on. that's what we're delivering. for the people, health care. lowering the cost of health care by lowering the cost of prescription drugs, and guaranteeing and strengthening the pre-existing conditions benefit. lowering health care cost, bigger paychecks by building infrastructure in a green way, for the future. and cleaner government. hr-1 to stop, we won congress, a 40-seat net gain in the most gerrymandered, voter-suppressed political arena in history. and yet we won 40 seats. but that's not -- we have to end voter suppression. have people choosing their representatives rather than representatives choosing their constituents through partisan gerrymandering. that is our agenda. that's the bills we're passing. and we want the senate to pick up some of the legislation and go forward in terms of the

dreamers, equality act, lgbtq. we begin gay pride week. we passed a couple weeks ago the equality act which ends discrimination against the lgbtq community, the dreamers, the gold standard of immigrants to our country, these lovely young people who through no fault of their own, they didn't make the decision to come here. they contribute so much to our military, to our teaching force in our country, to health care. all the rest. and the list goes on. it will pay for equal work for women, violence against women act. the list goes on. gun violence prevention, and the rest. >> you talk a lot, though, about legislating and investigating is part of the priority. >> wait a minute, legislating, investigating, litigating. i want you to add the litigating. >> litigating. i'm glad you mentioned that because one argument that people are making in your caucus is that opening up an impeachment

inquiry would strengthen your case in court. so why are you against an impeachment inquiry? >> is that true? will it open -- >> some have argued that. >> yes, but we have to -- that's the question to be asked. if you open an impeachment inquiry, does it -- do you get more information? you still end up in the court. so if you want to go down that path, if you want to go down the path, i'm glad you asked that question, so if you want to talk about that. >> we'll get there. >> this is very important to our country. it's who we are. we have situations where the russians by all accounts with full confidence of our intelligence community, made an assault on our election. an attack on our democracy. the president of the united states calls it a hoax. the president of the united states sides with putin and not with our intelligence. we must pass legislation to make sure they cannot do it again, and according to the fbi, 24/7,

they're working to do it again. so we have to protect our democracy with what we do. and at the same time, we have to see what happened in all of that. and the question, and that's a good question that you asked, manu. do you get more information by having an inquiry than if you just have investigations? well, i don't have a straight answer on that. but even if you could, you can't do it without going to the courts. and to go to the courts, we have to have the strongest possible case. iron clad. we have won in the courts. and a couple other things that mr. cummings has put forth, masar's, they should release their documents. on the deutsche bank maxine waters case, we won that in court. of course, they'll appeal because they want to obstruct

the american people from having the truth. the question you ask, do we get more by having an inquiry? some say yes, some say no. >> if a majority of your caucus wants to go forward with an impeachment inquiry, would you go forward? >> it's not even close in our caucus. >> but eventually? >> why are we speculating on hypotheticals. what we're doing is winning in court. we won a victory getting the documents from the justice department today, for fear of further going to court, although we're still going to hold the attorney general in contempt today. the path that we're on is a path that i think, look, i want to tell you something. nothing is as divisive in our country, in my view, than impeachment. our founders gave us so much to be grateful for. they were a blessing intellectually in values and all the rest. thank god they made our constitution amendable. they had that wisdom as well,

but they gave us guidance in this way. they say e pluribus unum. from many, one. they couldn't imagine how many we would become or how different we would be from each other, but they knew we had to be one. so we're trying to make a decision as we go forth that are unifying, not dividing. the president says he wants to do infrastructure, lowering the cost of prescription drugs, the president says he wants to do that. cleaning government, not so sure about that. but nonetheless, it is part of our agenda. as we do that, as we do that, we try to find as much common ground as possible while maintaining the boldest common denominator. impeachment, if you're going down that path, you don't go to court with your weakest case, as long as you keep getting more information to build your case. >> jerry nadler said week -- >> you have a responsibility to do that. >> last week, jerry nadler said an impeachment inquiry, it may come to the. you said in the past there's not

a path to impeachment. >> it's not off the table. i don't think you should impeach for political reasons and i don't think you should not impeach for political reasons. it's not about politics. it's not about democrats and republicans. it's about patriotism to our country. it's pupholding the constitutio of the united states. if in fact the executive branch can say you can never have oversight over us, you have destroyed the system of checks and balances, which is the wisdom and the heart of our constitution. and if you go down that path and you look through the bill of rights and the assaults they make on the press, et cetera, then you are undermining the constitution, not honoring your oath of office to support and defend. and part of all of that is, again, our responsibility, our oath of office, and what is appalling is the lack of respect for the oath of office that the republicans in congress, in the house, and in the senate have

for their own oaths of office to strengthen the institution in which they serve. it's not about congress. it's about the american people. we're representatives of the american people who deserve to know the truth. >> before i move on to the other issues, very quickly, though, if you really believe the president may have committed crimes in office, isn't it your obligation to mount an impeachment inquiry? >> my obligation is to do whatever we do in the most effective way possible. >> and you believe he committed crimes in office? >> i think the mueller report very clearly spells out, at least ten or 11 instances of obstruction of justice. but i'm not here to have that discussion. that's for the committees. we have six committees that work on this. one doing taxes, ways and means committee. maxine waters, financial services, jerry nadler, judiciary. elijah cummings, the government oversight committee.

eliot engel, foreign affairs committee. they're all doing their work very well, and i believe in the committee system, and it will bubble up from there. >> anotheri issue over the weekend was the president backing off his threats of tariffs on mexico. he says he deserves credit for forcing mexico to take a tougher line on the immigration issue. >> if i wanted to talk about the president, i would have more important work to do at home. [ applause ] >> no, everybody knows that those issues were -- if they were agreed to, they were agreed to long before the president made the announcement, a, but they were designed to take your attention away from the mueller report. look at the timing. this all happened a while back. and even now, the foreign minister of mexico is saying that's not really the way the president describes is not really the way what we have agreed to. but the fact is that i come here

each year, very complimented to have the invitation of the peterson family. pete peterson to me was a national hero. i loved him very much. he was the personification of the american dream. greek american family, rising to the heights of mt. olympus, of the financial community in our country. always sensitive to the needs of the working people, always teaching us that the increase in the national debt was a tax on our children and that we had to hold it in check and be creative in how we did it. he always said to me, nancy, keep your eye on the tax expenditures in the budget. so i feel very honored always to be invited to this. >> i want to ask you about the budget. >> oh, my goodness. >> i know, exactly. we still have time to talk about that. >> i will not be part of the diversionary tactics of the white house. >> one big legislative issue on

your plate is what to do about the u.s./mexico trade agreement. how do you pin the prospects of that, passage oid a policy issu in there? >> we're going to get to it. i told you. >> i originally thought that the u.s./mexico/canada, whatever we're calling it, after nafta, nafta 2.0, all different names for it, but this current attempt and agreement, i thought that would be the easiest trade bill we have ever had the opportunity to pass because those who are unhappy with nafta really want to have a new nafta. and that includes many people in the democratic party. i myself voted for nafta. i was disappointed in how it was implemented, but there were some winners and there were some losers, and there's no question about the fact that many people lost jobs in our country because

of it. many people gained jobs. depends on where you are regionally, as trade usually is measured. you frequently read, but so we have -- when i met yesterday with chairman grassley, i don't know if that's news, we did get our picture taken together, so maybe it's out there that we met with senator grassley and ranking member brady, who was with you, and richie neal, our chairman of the ways and means committee. such a nice ring to it, richie neal, chairman of the ways and means committee. anyway, we met. our concerns are as follows. overarching enforcement. you must have enforcement. or else you're just having a conversation. if you don't have enforcement, you're just having nafta again with sprinkles on top or something, but you're not having a new nafta because enforcement is very essential to implementing a trade agreement. our three areas of concern are

overarching, workers. what does it mean to america's working families? secondly, environment. what does it mean in terms of the environment? big disappointment, some of what happened with nafta in terms of the environment. and the third, which is a big concern, and my caucus, is the pharmaceutical, how pharmaceutical drugs are treated in the agreement. more on the subject if you ask me, but those are the three areas. then there are overarching three categories, if you don't have enforcement, it's no use having the conversation on the other things. then there's what we call dogs and cats, different things from around the country, not to be considered anything but a compliment because we all love our dogs and cats, but these are parochial issues. >> what do you think the chances of passage are right now? >> i have always -- >> okay, manu is going to continue interviewing speaker pelosi. we'll bring you the highlights as we have them, but karoun

demirjian is with me for political analysis. she didn't take impeachment off the table but she called it the most divisive thing that can happen to the country, and then she said when manu directly asked her, do you believe the president committed crimes, the speaker said i'm not here to have that discussion. she pointed to the obstruction, you know, ten points that mueller made in the report, but she didn't go as far as other democrats to say he's committed crimes. what's your read? >> right, this is predictable from nancy pelosi. she does not want to wade into the impeachment fight right now. she has never said that it's completely not an option, but she's waiting until they have been through the entire process of trying to get their case made in a way they can bring it in front of a court and not have question of winning. and also the more important audience may be the american people, a majority of which are not in favor of pursuing impeachment at this juncture. so for her to go kind of ahead of her skis in that way and say, to opine on whether he's

committed crimes, in public, even though there was a recording that said he should go to jail behind closed doors, she didn't want to do that. >> kudos to manu for pressing and pressing. she was even physically turning away. she did not want to answer those questions. but they're the critical questions, right? and he asked her, did you say you want to see the president in jail? she said what happens in our caucus meetings behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. i thought it was notable, as you bring up the hypothetical that he asked her, which is if a majority of americans do come to favor impeachment, will you move on it? she didn't give a direct answer. >> no, she's being very, very cagey about what she will or won't do. that's both a strategy but also it's potentially a point of frustration with everybody watching this process play out, and for all the other lawmakers who are doing these hearings and hoping it goes one way or the other. look, they're stuck -- the house democrats are stuck in a situation where they can't get any of the witnesses they want to trot out in front of the cameras for the hearings to

actually respond to these subpoenas in a way in which it actually puts them in that chair. so they're left trying to drum up public sentiment and prevail upon the public the seriousness of the president's actions and make their case for impeachment with an unideal set of tools to do so. so right now, that's the situation that they're in, and pelosi is not giving them an end game because i don't think they necessarily know how they're going to be able to chart the course of the end game if she did. that leaves us in kind of a perpetual limbo, which as you see the speaker isn't doing anything right now to try to iron out. >> no, but she did say i'm done with him, regarding the president, which doesn't bode well for having to work with him. >> the relationship there is fraught. >> frayed. it's fraught. carren demirjian, thank you for being here. we appreciate it very much. we'll keep an eye on that interview with the house speaker. at the same time, the former vice president, joe biden, not mincing words when it comes to

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