>> in earlier >> testimonies shared with cnn civilians described being stripped, bound, and blindfolded in the cold before facing interrogations by israeli soldiers reports of beatings are also widespread for days, medical staff within the hospital told cnn they couldn't even move between buildings on the complex for fear of being targeted by his rainy snipers >> on what dasha he is not every day a patient would die, >> nurse moser >> says, the occupation soldiers used us as human shields inside the hospital more than 300 bodies have so far been recovered according to authorities in gaza. >> but that figure will >> likely only rise warnings that are shiver could soon be turned into a graveyard now, a gut wrenching reality now the bashir cnn london. >> thanks, thanks, nauta >> for that report and thanks to her

>> thanks to our viewers for watching, the news continues on cnn right now >> i'd write >> next robert f. >> kennedy jr. is here with me >> in studio live >> as his campaign >> says, he now has enough >> signatures to appear on the >> ballot in north >> carolina. and other battleground states that as both biden and trump nervous tonight, plus another suspected case of the mysterious brain injury known as havana syndrome. i'm going to speak to investigative journalists, christo grozev. he singles out a specific russian intelligence unit as the possible culprit. also outfront a retired us official, base advantage, who is widely considered to be patient zero and two trump's net worth, plunging today by $1 on paper. why? >> let's go out, find good evening. i'm >> erin burnett outfront tonight. don't call him a spoiler. >> robert f. kennedy jr. saying he is in the race to win it in november as he reaches yet another milestone tonight is campaign says kennedy now how has enough signatures to get on the ballot in north carolina,

which is of course, a crucial battleground state and in just a moment, i'm going to speak to kennedy live right here on set. >> the >> democrat-turned independent who has the money, the supporters, and the potential to upend the 2024 presidential election. and aza, tonight he is on the ballot in utah. however, his campaign and allies claimed they have met the signature threshold to get them on the ballot and a whole slew of additional states, hawaii, michigan, georgia, south carolina, new hampshire, nevada, and arizona. and of course, i've mentioned north carolina as well. now, when i say those names to many of you may say, wow, those are obviously crucial states and they were there states that biden and trump many cases, one by just a few votes, and that has both campaigns nervous that kennedy, with his famous family name and his charisma may siphoned crucial votes away from them in 2024. and i just give you one example. look at the state of arizona. so the 2020 margin of victory there for joe biden was just over 10,000 votes so now, just compare it to the latest polling right now from the state of arizona. and in that polling, kennedy has the support of 26% of registered

voters. biden and trump are only head by a few points there at 33% each. so to put that in perspective, as of tonight, they're 4 million registered voters in arizona, making the bottom line clear that particular poll well indicates the kennedy right now has the support of 1 million registered voters in the state of arizona now with those kinds of numbers, kennedy can do a lot of damage, which is why both campaigns, trump and biden, or very concerned. trump posting online rfk juniors, the most radical left candidate in the race by far trying of course, to tie him to the left and syphon votes from biden. meanwhile, democrats posted this ad on billboards around a kennedy campaign rally and you can see it reads rfk junior power bi maga trump. well, all the while, kennedy continues to say that he's not going to spoil arrays for biden or trump he insist that he's going to win way ahead of that ad and abet again at eight and history right now and i intend to win the election i can win the

white house. i think we have a very good chance of winning in november i want to get straight to jeff zeleny to begin our coverage because he's live in madison, wisconsin. another key battleground state. and jeff, where you are democrats obviously are very focused on rfk junior as he tries to make inroads in that battleground state. what are you hearing? >> erin, wisconsin is one of those battlegrounds that has been a friendly and fruitful for third party candidates. and this year is no exception. democrats are paying very close attention to this conversations, weeping having with a party activists and officials all day long. i certainly suggests that in fact one liberal talk radio host hold his audience today, don't waste your vote, but aaron, it's not simply democrats is donald trump comes back to wisconsin tomorrow for the first time since august of 2022 republicans also are watching this very carefully. the state party republican chairman told me today, yes. are based aligns with some of robert kennedy's issues. so there's no question

for the next several seven months, both sides will be watching this aaron here is why it's all about the math. consider in 2016, donald trump, won wisconsin by some 23,000 votes. jill stein was on the ballot, received about the same in 2020, joe biden won by about 21,000 votes. jill stein was not on the ballot here. so that is what concerns some democrats if there are third party candidates on the ballot, how does that split the vote? so it's one of the reasons going into wisconsin primary tomorrow actually, some democrats are keeping their eye on the uninstructed question on the ballot. that's the protest vote. if you will, for gaza war. so this is something that is going to be playing out for the next a seven months. but the ballot deadline here is not until august. it only takes 2000 signatures statewide for him to qualify. aaron. >> jeff zeleny. thank you very much. and wisconsin and outfront now, robert f. kennedy, jr. who is running of course, as an independent for president the united states mr. kenny, i appreciate your time so you're jeff zeleny going through the role that jill

stein played when you just look at the, the vote tallies in the state of wisconsin only need 2000 votes to get on the ballot. in the state of wisconsin. >> so >> what do you say to democrats who pointed jill stein and say, that's gonna be you all right now, i don't know what i'm gonna do, who i pull more from november right now, i'm pulling >> pretty much equally, probably a little more from president trump. like i, you know, as you bought it out, i want to pull from both of them but i'm do you want to a glib answer, a thoughtful answer. >> i'd always prefer thoughtful. >> okay. i mean, i would say is you have oh, sides i'm using scare tactics republicans say that if joe biden gets n, it's going to be the republic democrats say, trump has, and it's going to be the democracy

and i don't think either of them are actually going to destroy democracy. there's we have institutions in this country that are are pretty enduring and if you look at those canada is they're very different in their temperaments are very different in their ideology their, and their rhetoric on the issues with actually depart from each other it's a very narrow band of issues and it's the culture war issues like abortion guns, the border and they're all important ashes but they're not existential issues on the existential issues, neither has the capacity to address the biggest one being the dead. we now have 34 trillion in debt the service on that debt is more than the art military spending. and within five years $0.50 out of every dollar collected in taxes are gonna go to servicing a dad who was present in trump and president biden together and just four years each they ran more

spending than all the previous presidents going back to george washington the chronic disease epidemic, when my uncle was president 6% of americans had chronic disease eight, 60% is the biggest issue we have $4.3 trillion that we're spending on that and it's for time to almost five times our military budget. and it's getting worse and worse. you've never heard president trump talk about it, never heard president biden. the polarization our country again, existential all of these issues ai, it neither of them are has the capacity to deal with these and all of those issues? >> are >> created. i a system of corporate capture is corrupt merger between state and corporate power that has absolutely it's a burden and undermine our democracy. and either president trump or president biden has the capacity to address it because they're part of that system. they're both being financed by blackrock and state street and vanguard that military

tractors, the pharmaceutical industries, and that system just spits out bad policies and the illusion that if you differ on culture war issues in a radically different it's a real things that we need to do to save our country. they can't do them. and if you've for president trump at present, they both had their chance yes you're going to get more of the same, if any if somebody needs if somebody actually wants to change, once that actually alter those issues, they're going to vote for me and yet to be president of the united states, if you have to be on the ballot in enough states to be able to win the electoral college you're not right now >> and you believe you will be with me because i know i know it will be 100%. i'm going to be on the ballot in every state. in addition, columbia iv yeah. i've said from the beginning and we're already well on our way there i think eight within eight weeks, are going to probably be on another

19 states. we were not allowed the un on the ballot before in most aids because we didn't have a vice presidential candidate, you have the name of values presidential candidate ballon, about 2068. so now we have that >> we have we have about 200,000 volunteers. we're gonna it's gonna be easy for us again on the ballot in every essay. >> so i know part of the reason that >> line we have 13,000 signatures. we got 23,000 in new hampshire take us months to get signatures. we got them in one day in utah. we got him in one week during a blizzard. so we're not going to we have a very, very good volunteer army out there. >> so when you talk about that, you had to have a vp candidate to get on in some states, right? so that's part of the reason i know you made this decision when you did the person you've chosen is nicole shanahan. she's a lawyer, she doesn't have government experience. obviously not a household name and a lot of people have questions why you picked her? liz smith at the dnc just today says she was put

for one reason and one reason only the money. and obviously she speaks for the dnc, but rhythmic mulvaney, who was omb director under president trump said this or there's one thing we need to know about, or it's the reason that kennedy picked her for vice president xi's fabulously wealthy. this is the woman who single-handedly bank rolled his ad during the super bowl that cost $4 million. that's why he put her on the ticket along with the fact that i think everybody else probably turned him down would you picked her if she didn't have the money? yeah. did you see your speech >> part of it, but i'm just asking, did you pick don't think anybody who watched that speech would ever say that she leaves impressive. she's outlook when she's authentic, her life is a template for the american dream. she started out as a minority kid in oakland, extraordinary poverty on foods, amps, on welfare. she grew up and attended stanford or she

began to stanford fellow. she became an entrepreneur or she's a very, very uber successful business woman. she has an encyclopedic knowledge of ai. xi has encyclopedic knowledge of chronic disease epidemic and how to stop it she young and she is a mother and i wanted in it might kennedy or threes and one somebody who was an insider because it was the insiders who created this problem. they created the debt crisis. they agree the addiction to war, they created the chronic disease epidemic here at the polarization i wanted somebody outside who's thinking outside the box i want to our campaign, it's for young people. we are we're the only campaign that is looking at this assault on our children on what is happening to i'm generations. i wanted somebody who is young, who is an 80 year old man. i wanted somebody who is a mother. i wanted somebody

who's going to champion their issues. and if i don't think anybody looked at nicole shanahan speech, which i urge people to do, would ever say that the reason i picked her was, by the way we don't need her money to get on the ballot in every state we already have biggest field operation of any campaign. we are going to have no problem getting on the ballot in every state. we did not need a coach. and as money and play on monday, we're raising more money or campaign is president trump or president biden? >> well, so when you talk about though that you say that you're pulling equally from both and we'll see what happens. but in the polling that we have. >> but hold on one second. you just take georgia because we all know georgia margin of victory last time was 11 and thousand 779 votes. so the latest polling from georgia, you get 12% of the democratic vote. you pull 5% of the republican vote. again, these are polls. this is where we are right now, but that's, that's when they that's what they show so when you look at it that way, how can you say that your current campaign is not taking

more >> when i would say to you, oh i'm odd isn't something i want to argue with you about, is just what i'm my observation. i don't care one way or the other >> what >> my observation is of the quinnipiac poll about harvard harris poll, the gallup poll a new york times annabel, all the leading national polls at this point in history as of today, show me pulling maybe two more points president trump than i am from president biden. mainly what they're what they're showing in the politico did a big article it's my supporters are people who aren't going to vote at all, largely am i donors are people who had given up on the american political process and our re-engage in because they feel that they don't want to choose between the lesser of two evils. they want to choose a candidate who is going to inspire them, who's gonna give them hope. it was a vision for the future and the vigor and energy actually

changes its contrary. and that i want to engage those people in the political process democrats, republicans, i'm gonna take from them orogens. i can't tell you even today, it's irrelevant, aaron, because it's really what am i going to take from it? november so you in 2000 ralph nader, obviously, was running and you didn't interview with nbc news. it just a few months before the election, you said this >> here's a political reality here, which is that his candidacy could draw enough votes in certain key states from al gore to give the entire election to george w bush >> and then you wrote an op-ed in the new york times. you wrote ralph nader is my friend and hero, but mr. nader's candidacy could syphon votes from al gore. mr. nader dismisses his spoiler role by arguing there is little distinction between the major party candidates and that mr. gore is compromised on too many issues while i admire his high-minded ideals, his suggestion that there's no difference prince between mr. gorham, mr. bush is

irresponsible. a moment ago, you said you essentially see trump and biden is saying different different issues, >> but do you really believe that >> when people talk about the threat to democracy that trump poses, do you really think that that is an equal yeah, mole to biden i listen, i can make the argument president biden is much worse threat to democracy and the reason for that is president biden is the first candidate in history, the first president history that it has used the federal agencies to censor political speech. so sensors. opponent. i can say that because i just want to case federal court of appeals now before the supreme court it shows he started censoring not just made are 37 hours after he took office. he was censoring me know, president, the country has ever done that the greatest threat emoc is not somebody who questions election returns, but a president united states will use the power of his office to force a social media companies,

facebook, instagram twitter, to open a portal and give the access to that portal to the fbi. cia the irs, the size to nih, the censor his political critics. as biden for the first president in history to use the secret that his power over the secret service, an eye secret service protection to one of his political opponents for political reasons is weaponizing a federal agencies. those are really critical threats of force tried to overturn a free and fair election he tried to overturn one, right? he's he's still find any how is that? not a threat to democracy? >> well, i think that is a threat to democracy. if him over are trying to overthrow the election clearly as threat to democracy. but the question was who is it worse threat to democracy? and what i would say as i am not going to answer that question, but i can argue that president biden is because

the first amendment aaron, is the most important but adams and hamilton and madison said we put a guarantee of freedom expression in the first amendment because all of her other constitutes depend on it. if you ever government can silence it's opponent. it has license for any atrocity. >> so just to be clear, you're saying you could make an argument that president biden is a worst threat to democracy than >> but who else has ever tried to else's ever tried to send what president in history as ever tried to censor political upon. it's what president has weaponized you know, when my father came into sharp and the first week he witnessed they are he got all of the branch and division attorneys together and he said, what ever we do, we are not going to use the power that judges department for political reasons saying is yes. said that he's at is reprehensible and he is the only president who's tried to overthrow the results of an election. >> well let me, let me just say

something about that. i'm not going to president trump on that. that was appalling and there's many things that president trump has done or bawling in 2001, we had an election stolen in this country during the bush gore and 2004. i want road an award winning article for rolling stone that showed how that election was stolen from john kerry i don't think most americans agree with me about 2001 that it was taught when election from our, from the democratic party candidate. i don't think people who say that the election is all in we shouldn't treat, we shouldn't make pariahs of those people who shouldn't demonize and we shouldn't vilify them, or we should be going is adding. let's all get together republicans and democrats and fix the election system so that it cannot if x, so that were the exemplary democracy of the world we ought is built on

machines that can count and never make mistakes. should can we, go, can we make an election to shade? i can we have it electoral process? and every american >> to hold on but went up it can't be it can't be fixed. >> i understand that. we want the elections to be as perfect as they possibly can be. one should not use the fact that the election was not stolen and was not cheated too. not try to perfect it. i understand that distinction, but when you do is you're doing and you open the door to well, we want every your opening the door to people who can say, well, then that's exactly what i'm saying. the machines miss canada machines did this but they didn't. every single analysis has shown that that did not happen, right? as you know? do you worry that you're opening the door where people are believed that mary voters and that they i'm not worried. i don't why don't worry about how people might misinterpret my words, i what i

mean, and i'm careful about how i use language i'm not saying that that election was was that there was cheating. i've never said that. what i've said is that there aren't problems particularly aaron, if you if you don't have paper ballots the election machines can be fixed in various ways. and that's just a fact what we ought have is we ought to have machines and we ought to have paper ballots at the same time. and we ought to have a very low threshold get a recount of the paper ballots and that just makes sense. it's common sense, but if we implement and every jurisdiction you're not going to have problems where americans are each other's throats you're talking about technical thing, like instead of having one half of 1% be the trigger for a recount, you would put it even lower. i mean, that's the sort of whatever i'm not choosing a particularly threshold, but it's reginald that makes sense. that's a very low threshold where you got to recount if you if you if there

are some question, so and that's i don't think i'm saying something that's controversial. i'm saying something that i think most americans for virtually any american would agree with. let's have an election says, even 10% of the who are crazy people and even a question because our election system is the best election system in the world, and nobody, i mean vermont for example has very, very little action cism, nobody ever questions that vermont elections ought to be able to do this same thing. and every state where we are supposed to be the template for democracy and every country in the world, let's make sure we put a man on the boat we we've had all these accomplishments. let's make sure we haven't system that. nobody is questioning even crazy people are always going to question it though well, you're always going to question it and that you want to narrow the margin of people who are questioning it as much

as possible i mean, nobody any kind of legitimate claim about that's all i'm saying. what i'm saying? isn't saying, i'm not saying that president trump won the election with president biden. i've never said anything or suggested anything like that. all i'm saying is let's focus on the issues that bring people together than constantly focusing on the polar is age on the issues that dr. americans apart. that's all at each other's throats with this very, very toxic polarization and demon is ation of each other. >> i want to ask you, i mentioned at the top of the program how trump was trying to tie you to the far left, right with his recent posts, most radical left candidate in the race, i guess this would mean is going to be taking votes from cricket joe biden, which would be a great service to america. i love it. he's running obviously democrats were putting up billboards outside your rally tying you to maga and to trump. but there it's very interesting over time, over the past six months when you and trump have spoken

about each other, i wanted to play some of those times and give you a chance to explain here it is i will say rfk junior, who i've known not very well, but i've known for a while and i respect >> him a lot of people respect him. the people's >> support, donald trump >> field at their regarded by the elites as deplorable people. and that they're not part of our country and i think donald trump made them feel like they were part of our country, that she's very smart guy and a good guy. i'm proud that president trump likes me >> i was most curious actually about your last statement there what about president trump liking you make you proud >> here's first of all, i definitely the only candidate running who is sued donald trump twice and one losses and so i don't trump, trump as a lot of things wrong. and i call them on it, but i so i i i

tried to be a candidate who's not running on rank or who's not running on vitriol, who's not running on personal attacks, but is running based upon my record and based upon my ideas on the issues. now, here's i mean, here let me explain to you how i view this issue. i think there's a revolution happening in our country and it's the same kind of thing that happened when my father was running and 19 the polar is asian, the division americans at the most toxic, it's been since the american civil war that there's a whole group of people in this country, the american middle-class, if these 7% of americans who camp with their hands and had thousand dollars, if there's an emergency in their family those people if the engine light comes on in their cards, the apocalypse, or they're going to lose your lose their job they're feeling forgotten. i have a democratic party, they used to represent the interests of the

middle-class. they're feeling forgotten by the entire political establishment arnold trump came in in 2016 and said to those people, you have the whole thing is fixed and that's what they wanted to hear be less movements can either be harnessed by cox for dark reasons and with using all the outcome is of demagoguery or they can be captured by idealistic leaders and idealistic reason my father capture most of the white vote and marilyn where an eastern stage just before his death, and 68 years later, those same people voted for george wallace. why is that? they we populous. father captured them that energy with a powers of an idea. >> are you a populist? are you list, how would you describe it? >> itself as a populous, but my father was a popular h an a populace for idealism or for

that merit because raiders, our signature values are democracy for free speech, for constitution for democracy, that's not run in captured by corporate interests and he wore and for the middle class, for the cops for the firefighters, for workinpeople in this country about rebuilding our middle-class about making sure our kids have, are able toive the american dream. there's american him when i was against that, if you weren't hardy, if he play, you can buy how she could finance it you could take it vacation, you could raise a family, you could put something aside for retirement on one job my kit, i have seven kids, aaron and not believe that that promise will be applies to them. and why an art there are sick today i was a kid juvenile diabetes, a pediatrician typically would see one case ms entire lifetime. >> did

>> a one out of every three kids walked into his office is prediabetic are diabetic. why isn't the political establish where we're spending more on diabetes and we are a defense budget why isn't a political abbott's been talking about this? we ought to be solving this problem so why are health agencies never even asking this question >> you just mentioned seven children and i'm and i'm wondering is we sit here and you're doing this interview. you're doing interviews, you're doing rallies, and you're running the candidacy that you're running has cost you a lot personally. it is cost you sibling's family members have spoken out against what you're doing they are angry, they're upset, they're hurt. your >> sister. worry was on our show recently and she spoke about at jfk's grandson also posted on social media overnight something i don't know if you saw it. i wanted to play both of them i feel strongly that this is the most important election of our lifetime, and i do worry >> that bobby just taking some

percentage of votes from biden could shift the election and lead to trump's election. >> he's training in on camelot, celebrity conspiracy theories and conflict for personal gain and fame i've listened to him i know him. i have no idea why anyone thinks he should be president what i do know is his candidacy is an embarrassment. >> that's your that's your family. yeah. i have a big family about 105 cousins on the last time we can voice or sister and i have siblings who are supporting me. i have i have i have cousins and after use and needs who are working in my campaign i can't paint as being run by my daughter-in-law my are the political party that we started is chaired by my cousin. have any shriver, but listen i have a big family. i

don't know anybody in america who's got a family who agrees with them on everything. i don't know if that's your situation, erin, if you have a family who believes everything you do is like unicorns and rainbows. >> but i would, i come from a family from a milieu where we came home at night and eight with my father and he would >> orchestrate debates between us and we were in the same way that his father did with him we could disagree on issues and we could disagree with passion and information, but we still love each other. and i love rory, i love my family. i feel like by them listen, i understand why they don't like me running. i understand president biden has been 40 year friend to me and my family he has a bust, my father behind him on the oval office. he taught about how my father inspired him to enter politics. there just five members of my family work for the biden administration. oh, i

understand why they're just made that. i'm running against them. they're also or what my sisters my candidacy make a trump elected. >> what what happens if you wake up the day after the election? >> we >> have results and that is what happened. >> well, but will you regret it >> what i what i said applies to that i don't think he had president trump are present, been are going to solve the debt crisis in this country, which i don't think either of them aren't going to get his head of foreign wars is addiction that we have to forever trump actually said he was going to do that, but then he appointed john bolton. he said he was going to train this bob. he appointed john oldness had event jose and that's john bowl is a swamp creature, is a template for swamp creatures i don't think that either of them are capable of ending the corporate capture of all of our agencies that capture of the cia, military industrial complex, and capture of nih, cdc and fda by the

pharmaceutical companies the catheter usda by process flute and bag gag they're not going to do anything about that. so it's gonna be more at this aim, whoever gets elected there's going to be changes around the margins tax on abortion or whatever. >> okay. >> but both of them only have for years. and i don't think taken to dismantle democracy and for years i think americans institutions aren't too great for that. at end and the chance for me to actually change the nature of governance in this country to restore democracy, to restore our nation's moral authority abroad for foreign policy that is not based on war, are projecting military power, but on projecting economic power and moral strength the chances of that happening are too great and too important for me to give up contests. >> bobby kennedy, thank you very much. i really appreciate your time. barrett tax rapid all right. >> next, the dnc watching this interview closely along with

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kennedy threat tonight? >> well, aaron, the biden campaign and the democratic natial committn nnedy very closely. the party standing up a team of fivehat are solely tasked with monitoring third-party candidates. of course, bobby kennedy, chief among them, and just tonight in response to your interview, one of those peoples tweeting, imagine launching a spoiler campaign for president because you weren't allowed to peddle conspiracy theories online a d&c source telling us that the strategy for that team has a few different elements. but the main part of it is seeking to define bobby kennedy early before it's clear who he is siphoning votes from or how many votes saying this to cnn saying the party is watching him like we would any opponent and not taking anything for granted. now among the messaging that's resulted as the dynamic that you were talking about in your conversation with him, the fact that not only is the biden campaign seeking to align him with trump and width trump's

donors, but also so suggesting that trump's team is trying to prop him up to look more liberal, to pick off votes from biden. and the biden campaign has not really engaged directly with the kennedy campaign are mentioned it directly, but not so subtly. they do talk often about how many members of the kennedy family do support president biden. but as he just told you, erin he knows that he and his family had been friends with the bidens for several decades? >> yes, it obviously wanted to point that out. kayla, thank you very much. at the white house tonight and i want to go now to daniel dale and daniel, a lot of things that kennedy said in that interview deserve a little bit more attention including is claim that he made that the 2004 election was quote, stolen from john kerry towards the end, he made that point. i'll just play it again >> in 2001, we had an election stolen in this country during the bush gore election and 2004. i want wrote an award-winning article for rolling stone that showed how

that election was stolen from john kerry so i don't think most americans agree with me about 2001 that it was taught when election from our, from the democratic candidate so daniel that's not something that a lot of people have heard. the 2004 election, okay. and it stood out to you along with a few other key moments there. >> it did. so he did write an article about this in 2006 and rolling stone claiming that the election was stolen from john kerry because of what happened in the state of ohio that an important swing state, that article not actually prove the election was stolen. it raised a litany of some very real problems that nonetheless did not show that carry would have won the state, if not for those problems. it also made like like in many cases, with mr. kennedy, a whole bunch of speculative leaps assumptions about data that experts in these things like exit polling said just not true. so no, there was no proof the election was stolen 2004 from mr. carey

at mr. kennedy also made some other claims there, and i think we need to look at he asserted that president biden deny has denied him secret service protection in this election. first of all, there is no evidence that president biden has been at all personally involved in decisions about who should and should not get secret service protection secondly, i think it's important to note that there are federal criteria for who gets set protection, including such things as being the nominee of a major party which mr. kennedy is not being at 15% or higher consistently for a month in the real clear politics polling average, average with mr. kennedy currently is not. now there is some discretion. the secretary of homeland security, but yes, part of the biden administration can decide to offer protection. but there's no evidence this has been a decision for mr. biden to put him at risk. he also claimed that president biden has been personally censoring him. we know there is a controversy about a white house communications with social media companies it's about what post should post an account should remain up or not. there is no evidence that

biden has been involved whatsoever, and it's important to remember he was posting a frequent serial vaccine and other covid-19 misinformation. that's what we're talking about here. not political criticism. >> all right, which is obviously very significant to note that distinction all right, thanks. the daniel dale, jeff zeleny is back with me now. and in addition, ashley allison joins former national coalitions director for the biden harris 2020 campaign and david urban, former senior advisor to the trump campaign so ashley, you know, you hear kayla, the dnc they're watching kennedy. they we saw they put the big billboard up saying that he's maga trying to tie him to trump. you, just heard them described himself as a populist so what what what do you make of the way he's dealing with this right now >> look, i think rfk's interview you just did was terrifying. not only did he push lie after lie and some conspiracy theories, he

actually didn't say one time what he you would do for the american people. he talked about them, but he didn't make a clear plan for what he wants to do for them. he will be a spoiler, most likely he is not on enough. you asked him this. he is not on enough valid right now to actually get 270 electoral college votes. would you actually need to win the presidency? so you have the united states. and i just like he talked about so many issues that are baffling to me, but he talked about chronic disease? yes. chronic disease is an issue, but he also said that abortion rights, half of the population has lost a constitutional right. and that's not an existential crisis. he talked about guns, which because the leading cause of death for children. he talked about being the candidate for young people, but doesn't consider the gun crisis in our country at exited the existential crisis he talks about joe biden being a bigger threat to democracy and not donald trump when donald trump had people bow and stormed the

capitol, try to kill not only an answer pelosi, but his vice president mike pence, who is no longer supporting donald trump. so his candidacy is extremely problematic. the dnc needs to take it head-on >> robert f. kennedy is a problem for america as a candidate. >> jeff sally, what, what do you make of the argument that he made? and, how will that play from where you're hearing it that he was saying that you could make the argument he was making the argument that joe biden could be a greater threat to democracy than donald trump, even though he said that what donald trump did on january was wrong i look his point there was because of social media as daniel was saying, that he argues that he was blocked >> from social media, but listening to that, that is not something that certainly would resonate with most democratic disaffected democratic voters. so that's sounds like and gives credence to the idea that yes he is going to take supporters potentially from

both sides. that's a very much more of a republican or trumpian message, if you will. but aaron, i think one of the things that struck me when you talk to democrat to truly are upset and et discussed it a disappointed at this administration. one of the reasons is the gaza policy and there would be an opening talking to many democrats if there was a candidate, a third-party option who was really making that the core of their message that could be a problem for young voters that is not the core of rfk juniors message at all. >> no >> i think you said you to match that he would speak to that. >> yeah. i mean, even ten days ago, he was >> not even saying there was time for a ceasefire. biden. of course, is much more ceasefire than rfk. more pro israel than biden or trump right now, it appears. >> so, >> david, can i just show you the map again because you heard kennedy made the argument that he's going to get on the ballot in an all states all right. now he's only on the ballot formally in utah says he's got the signature threshold for eight other states and that does include key swing states, michigan,

georgia, and nevada, arizona, north carolina, all on that >> do you do you believe that he will be successful in getting on the ballot in enough states where you would be competitive from an electoral college college perspective, two to 70 will have to wait and see on that first of all, i'd like to yield my time to daniel dale to come fact check alison, but i don't i know we don't have enough time, so i'll do it so clearly, democratic are concerned, very, very concerned because what i hear ashley's saying is right here over and over again about rfk junior, right? he's he's this he's a bigger threat to democracy than donald trump's. so you can't vote for either of those two. but your point is he going to be on the ballot in enough states? i think he's gonna be on the ballot and plenty of states i think he's going to he's got the money he may be on the libertarian ticket to get in if that's the case that he's on every state, you'll get that. yeah. >> yeah >> so we've got a lot of road >> to run down here yet, i will say listening to him, you know, what he what he sounded like. i

hear i feel your pain america. i feel your pain about the check engine light going on he really pretty populist messages i think is going to resonate. i think at the end of the day, the democrats should be plenty scared of rfk because he's a relatable he's, you know, i've spent only a little bit of time with them, but he's an interesting character very relatable very, very likable, affable guy on the campaign trail. and it's gonna be, it's gonna be a problem if he gets out there and gets on these ballots all right. >> thank you all very much. next, we've got new reporting from investigative journalist christo grozev, who is revealing that a russian intelligence unit is tied to the debilitating havana syndrome attacks. and american officials, he's my guest along with the man who's known as patients zero. and trump's network plunging by more than $1 on paper. and this may be just the beginning, and we'll explain >> two and one coke you ten and healthy blood pressure support. we've got you covered. thanks to the dual ingredients in super beats. most advanced

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oraa ring >> cnn this morning with kasie hunt tomorrow at five easter tonight, another suspected case of havana syndrome, the pentagon confirming today that a senior defense department official experienced symptoms similar to havana >> syndrome at last year's nato summit. summit that was attended by president biden. president zelenskyy of ukraine. and of course, many other heads of state have anna syndrome is

the mysterious medical condition that has been experienced this date. we know by at least or more than 100 us officials in the united states and abroad. that includes debilitating brain injuries. the effects cut short careers. we've many in need of serious medical attention sometimes manifest as early dementia. it comes to cbs is 60 minutes is linking havana syndrome cases to a specific russian military group known as gru unit 29155 >> this >> report was led by the investigative reporter, crystal grows up. he's even identified this person is very young man, son of the founding commander of that gru unit as being president, when incidents occurred in georgia in the state in the country of georgia, in the capital tbilisi if the us today is standing by its assessment from a year ago that a foreign adversary is unlikely behind the attacks of christo grozev joins me now to begin our coverage. the lead investigative journalists who is breaking so much of this reporting on the link between russians and the havana syndrome cases, we should note, of course, you also were able

to track down the fsb links to the novichok tuck poisoning of alexey navalny so once again, via your sources, you are doing this incredible reporting. so gru unit 29155, you said you had tears in your eyes when you discovered this connection, this connection to this russian military intelligence unit? because it became so clear to you that they were indeed behind these attacks. tell me about that moment >> we have been investigating this unit four years ever since 2018 when they were behind the poisoning with novichok of sergei skripal in the uk i had an understanding of what they do. i knew that they were going after people to debilitate them, to assassinate them, to block things. but those just a hypothesis that maybe they're also behind this operation, which had one big question. a gap in the knowledge who could have done it, who could have been at so many places around the world? well, where american diplomats were falling prey to this syndrome then we

discovered in the mailbox of one of these commanders from this unit which would leave by russian hackers to us back in 2009, 19, but only opponents review last year, i discovered this document which was essentially a receipt that it literally said, here's 100,000 rubles plus two you commander for having tested and developed a non-lethal acoustic weapon. and this was the moment that i thought, okay, well, this is the connection that makes it very, very obvious that this team wanted to do that. they had the capability >> so the young man that i just showed the picture of the sun, of the gru commanding officer that was into police. he georgia. >> so you identified him? he was outside a home in tbilisi. the spouse of an embassy official who was into bluesy, a us embassy official experience of debilitating piercing since station is how you describe it that came in through the window in her ear? >> correct. so then she leaves the room. she goes to a bathroom. she projectile ahmed's. this is just the actual moment of the attack itself. she's now had two

surgeries to put metal plates into her head. she may need further surgery. >> i mean, this is completely >> transformed her life what did you learn about the man who was nearby and what he might have done? >> well, first of all, he was the son of the commander, the founding commander of this unit, andre every no visa scary person. who is currently in charge of putin's operations in africa. he took over from prigozhin, somebody that your audience would be very well familiar with. but since 2008, this person, the father, has been in charge of creating this unit of assassins and his son only when when he was only 18 was brought into the midst of this assassination unit. and he was essentially trained on the job he was brought to, let's watch what that is doing day and he was taken to many, many operations, including this one, but he was by this time he was already a regular member of this unit >> so looking at these over the years there has always been speculation. we even in havana

>> and i remember >> visiting that embassy. they are the us embassy is a real fortress like place, right? but then there were official scholz who experienced these horrible attacks. that's how it became known as the vanna syndrome >> and they were always >> suspicions that it was tied to russia. and yet it was never proven. and now the us government doubles down on its conclusion. they say that it is not likely an adversary behind the attacks, which is an odd just use of words because obviously something adversarial is accusing is occurring, right? but they're saying not an adversary and not a state actor. what's your response to that? >> well, i can understand why the us government may have a different threshold of being persuaded to been convinced that then as journalists and they may be a reason for them to withhold some information from the public for example, because they don't want to escalate relations with russia. this may be a legitimate reason, but if i have to confront the us government on their statements, i have to pose the question this way these are people, these are assassins >> total

>> number of about 50 that we've discovered who happened to arrive to places where havana incidents do who happen. they arrive on the cover. they arrived by making the utmost possible to hide their tracks. tracks. >> they were there to do something at these places were talking about seven or eight different incidents, not just the three that we reported. maybe the us government has a better explanation that we have what they were doing there. but unless they do eight incidents, let's roughly two one of those 50 unless they find and give us or give their colleagues a better explanation what these pi's we're doing there. and again, these are not spires, they're assassin spice what they were doing there. then i would stick to my hypothesis. >> all right. >> quest's. thank you very much. and i know you'll have more to share with us as the week goes on and thank you so much crystal grows up breaking this news and i want want to go now to a former us government official who is widely known as the patient's ear of havana syndrome, the first-person believed to report the debilitating symptoms when he was based there in havana and embassy, we showed you. now i want to be clear that he is comfortable speaking to us on

camera and you see him there. he doesn't want us to use his full name. he wants to be referred for too as atom. and so that is exactly what i will do and appreciate very much you're taking the time and i know after what happened to you of the risk and speaking atom. so when you hear christos reporting and you know, all of the details here now, do you believe that it is russia that's behind the attacks of so severely impacted your health? >> i think we all suspected russia for a long time. there's always been a little trips have information that we've gotten through the building and other sources, but this is the first time that we've seen it. all aggregated together. and one big piece, one big undeniable piece of evidence. and so frankly, if you yes like a weight has been lifted off from our shoulders because feels like we've been pointing this direction the entire time and i'm krista really went to bat and prove that so adam, you have suffered unbelievably from this and the brain injuries that you've been

forced to medically retire, you're now blind in one eye. i know you struggled to maintain your balance at times this is transformed your life. >> can you share with all of us? >> what you now experience on a day-to-day basis, what this has done to your life >> i mean, i am not the person that i was. i can't do a majority of the things that i used to love to do in your personal relationships have suffered family my family has suffered from this this impacts not just you as a person, but all the loved ones around you. and so you fight every day you put on a strong face, but some days it's really hard and i just wish those a little more empathy from from our employer. >> can i talk about your employer because the state department is responded to this report by reiterating the us assessment that it's unlikely a foreign adversaries behind any of this

>> what do you >> think is going on here? i mean, do you think they're trying to cover this up? do you think that there's simply trying to avoid liability? what do you think is happening? >> when you look at the aggregate of the information, right? so in the 60 minutes reporting, you had the diaa lead that has seen all the evidence says the building and the ic has seen saying it's russia. you have chris who solved the script ball and the navalny poisoning when the us icy couldn't saying it's russia. you have last september, you had putin describing new physical property weapons. they've developed. and one of his foreign ministers coming out and saying that they've neutralized hundreds of western spice then the agency's paying havana act for brain injury. that's from hostile act on the backend one of these things doesn't match and it's frankly what the agency is saying and public. >> let me just bring christo back into this atom while you're here. chris what is what have you felt so far has

been the response from the gru unit. i mean, you've been working on this for two years. are you afraid of retribution, revenge >> while the ship has sailed because of all of my proceeding investigations. but at this point, it was important for me to put the data with found out because i do believe that the silence behind it, the denial by the us government is actually contributing to the russian security services feeling of entitlement that they're better than their impervious to review. exactly. and i think this may have helped put in become the person he is, he is, he may have helped him decide that he can wage a war on ukraine and nobody will interfere because the west is so weak, they can't even get there act together to find out what's happening to the diplomats so i think it was important to push back and i hope that this report that some of that an atom i'll give you the final word. what do you hope the us government does? let's now i think the us government has a lot of tools in our arsenal. and frankly, i think they need to take this inside. they need to rebuild trust with those

that were hurt with the staff that are currently working. and frankly with policymakers in the government. and they can deal with us insight and they can take care of this problem with external tools well, i just don't see that this needs to be publicly debated issue anymore. they can solve this and they can fix it. >> adam, thank you very much, christo. thank you very much. i appreciate both of you taking the time and adam for sharing your story. and, finally tonight, trump's suppose net worth, taking a massive tumble upstairs of his truth, social are now publicly trading well, guess what? they came out. the company and they said that they lost 58 million and only had $4 million in revenue in 2023 those are painful revelations and that immediately crushed the evaluation of the stock costing trump 1 billion on paper. the losses in fact, so severe that the companies own accountants are sounding the alarm that it could implode, which is why experts think the company is multibillion-dollar valuation defies logic and heard that well, before it even started listing, to be honest