at our website ac360.com. thanks for watching. i'll see you tomorrow night. "larry king" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, la toya jackson drops a bomb. she says michael was murdered. the journalist who interviewed la toya face to face will tell us all about it. how michael's sister thinks the king of pop really died. why someone wanted him dead. how does la toya know? plus anita hill's been through a memorable hearing for supreme court nominee. what does she think of sonia sotomayor, next on "larry king live." we welcome to "larry king live" caroline graham, the los angeles correspondent, west coast editor

for the "london mail" on sunday. she did a lengthy interview with michael jackson's sister, la toya. how did you get it? >> larry, we have a relationship with la toya. spent a lot of time in the uk over the last few years. she knows my newspaper. she trusts us. i think la toya wanted to get the story out there but do it with a paper she trusted and knew would report it accurately. >> larry: where was it conducted? >> we met in the beverly hills hotel near her home. she lives very close to where michael was living at the time that he died. we met for 4, 4 1/2 hours last thursday. >> larry: how was she paid? was she paid? >> larry, i wouldn't discuss any negotiations i had with la toya. it's confidential. i wouldn't discuss it. i don't think it's relevant. what happened in this case, la toya came to us. she wanted to get the story out there. the story was a bombshell. >> larry: in the united states, if you hear someone is paid for something, there's always a suspicion around it. you know, that she did it quid pro quo. >> no, she had no suspicious motive. i didn't know what to expect

when i walked into the hotel room. when i walked out four hours later, i was impressed. i believed her. a compelling witness. she speaks very air dietly. loves her brother. >> larry: the bombshell headline from the interview, la toya says michael was murdered. that's very serious. >> it stopped me in my tracks. when she said this, it was about midway through the interview and she said i truly feel my brother was murdered. >> larry: are you talking about murder or negligent manslaughter? >> i said to her, are you sure murder is the word you want to use? do you realize what you're saying? she said, oh, yes, i know what i'm saying. >> larry: how was the murder committed and by whom? >> second question i asked her. she's feeling very close to the police officers investigating this. she doesn't want to name names at this stage. there are certain people she thinks have to step forward and step up to the plate and give answers. one of those is dr. murray, dr. conrad murray, michael's

personal physician. >> larry: wasn't accusing him? >> she was saying she thinks his behavior has been extremely suspicious. he disappeared from the hospital. she was at the hospital with the screaming children, asking to speak to michael's doctor. when she went up to him and said, what the hell happened to my brother? he mumbled something that was a whole bunch of nothing. the next punch she look the around after she's been to see her brother's dead body, the doctors cleared off. >> larry: did she leave the room. >> up to this point we thought michael was in his own bedroom. no, no, no. he was in dr. murray's bedroom. >> larry: how does la toya know this? >> went to michael's house on the evening of the day he died. spoke to people in the house who was there. one of michael's closest personal assistants, like a brother in michael, saw michael in dr. murray's bedroom. he was there when the emergency services got there. basically michael walked from his bedroom into dr. murray's room. this was the room where he passed. >> larry: in response to la

toya's comments michael was found in dr. conrad murray's room, a spokesperson for the doctor tells cnn's "ac 360" that's just not true. dr. nurry administered cpr on michael jackson in jackson's room. i'm not sure where la toya is getting that. she wasn't there. dr. murray's attorney refused to comment on la toya's comments about seeing an intravenous drip stand in the room and oxygen canisters lining the walls. what do you make of this? >> why doesn't dr. murray talk to la toya? she wants to talk to him. she told me the room was next to michael's big bedroom. he had a big bedroom. across the hallway was a small room. maybe dr. mur rip wasn't sleeping there. it was described to her as murray's room. paris, michael's daughter, paris, said that was dr. murray's room and when daddy was getting his, quote, oxygen, the children were not allowed in there. >> larry: without saying it, is she accuses dr. murray of murder? >> i think she certainly has a

lot of questions she would love to ask dr. murray and he's just not available to speak. >> larry: she says there are others, right? >> the way she put it to me, it's a conspiracy of very shadow by characters around him. >> larry: giving him drugs to kill him? >> giving him drugs to control him. michael was isolated from his family. the family tried to intervene. they knew he was in trouble. they tried to state an intervention. every time they tried to get lease to the house, they were prevented. joe jackson went to the front door on many occasions she told me. he went to the front gates. they wouldn't let him in. when la toya called the house she couldn't speak to her brother. this is all very suspicious. >> larry: dr. murray has not specifically -- we have another statement, has not specifically responded to la toya's description of what she says was their encounter in the hospital the day michael died. over the weekend dr. murray's attorney issued a statement declaring, quote, dr. conrad murray continues to be fully cooperative with the los angeles police department and medical examiner's office.

well, shouldn't la toya be impressed by that? >> why wouldn't he answer whether he gave michael jackson diprivan, a drug that -- >> larry: answer to who? >> to the family and general public. i think people -- there are millions of fans out there that want to know what happened to michael jackson. we've seen the footage taken at their household two days before he died. he looked like a seemingly healthy man. how can he go from that to laying on a cold slab in the mortuary within two days? >> larry: why would doctors -- you're a great journalist. you've been doing this a while. why would doctors want to kill a patient? any extreme, why? >> i think you have to go between intentional and unintentional. i think, you know -- >> larry: unintentional isn't murder, is it? >> in california, isn't it second-degree murder? >> larry: i don't know that. >> that's what i was told. >> larry: we'll have a lawyer on. >> it will be difficult to prove first-degree murder. if the intent, whether the intent was there or not, if he administered the drug that led directly to michael jackson's death, what would you call it? >> larry: caroline graham, l.a.

correspondent, west coast editor for "the london mail" on sunday. . want to see or hear your comments on our show, go to cnn.com/larryking, click on blogs. type in your remarks. just might make it on the air. la toya vows to protect michael's kids.

>> larry: in this dramatic printed interview, caroline graham describes la toya telling you about accompanying the children in so see the body.

what was that like? >> it was amazing moment of the interview. she got very choked up. she said that the children were outside with their grandmother, katherine. they were hysterical, crying, screaming. paris said, aunty la toya, i want to go in and see daddy. la toya went to one of the experienced nurses in the er room and said, look, is this a good idea or bad? the lady said, no, i've been doing this a long time. i think you should allow the children to see michael. it would give them closure. la toya said she took the children into a small room off the emergency room. michael was still in there. she said the body was still warm. he had a towel over his face. la toya removed the towel and the children, once they saw their father, immediately became calm. they rushed over to him, held his hand, kissed him, told him how much they loved him. this is when she started -- she was overwhelmed with emotion at this point. she said it was a very touching scene. she said from that moment on the children were calm. >> larry: that surprise you? >> yeah. i've never had this experience, thank goodness.

they're such young children. i wouldn't expect that reaction, but she said paris on the monday before the memorial service they had an open viewing of the casket. >> larry: oh, they did? >> and the little girl -- the boys didn't want to go. paris said, yes, i want to go and see daddy again. the most poignant thing she said is paris bought this little heart necklace with a heart in two parts and she said she put it around michael's -- her daddy's wrist and said she put it around her neck and said she was going to wear this the rest of her life. >> larry: did she give you indication of where burial is going to be? >> no. i asked her. she said it definitely will not be neverland. there's been speculation he'll go back to neverland. she said he hated neverland. after the trial, the second child abuse case, he felt his home had been violated. he didn't feel safe there and that she's in charge of the body and she and katherine will decide where michael goes and he's not going to go to neverland. she said it would be cruel. >> larry: might they bury him in another country?

>> i don't know. she said that wherever he goes it will give him the peace and prifsy in death he never had in life. >> larry: how are the children coping now? >> she said the children are remarkable. the kids are strong. they're with their cousins. they're strong. paris writes letters every day to her father. the little boy, prince michael, the oldest one hasn't cried since the day in the hospital. he's become the little man in the family. little blanket is doing okay. >> larry: did la toya talk about her father? >> she talked a little about him. i mean, i think -- >> larry: why is she kind of like the outside person in this? >> i think this family has been through many ups and downs. what people don't realize is when a crisis happens like this, they stick together. they are ironically in this situation they are united. whatever you think of the jackson family, i think they're all together on this. what they want is to find out who and what killed michael and want justice and if somebody's responsible they want to see that person held accountable. >> larry: did they see autopsy results?

>> i don't know if you know, larry, there were two autopsies. the official coroner's report and autopsy ordered by the family. >> larry: there's still a toxicology report. >> still the toxicology. la toya said to me the autopsy ordered by the family she has seen. she's not prepared to go into detail. i said, when you saw that, did anything in that change your opinion it was murder? she said, no, i still feel he was murdered. she said there were four fresh needle marks in his neck. >> larry: in his neck? >> neck. and fresh marks on his arm. >> larry: that would be a guessing as to what that is. right? >> she didn't elaborate. she is cooperating extremely closely with investigators. she doesn't want to anything. full trust as does the family in the lapd. >> larry: did the family know of michael's addiction problems? >> the family knew he had a problem. i don't know if they knew the ex-teme extent of it in the final weeks. her belief was in the run-up to the london concerts he was on a cleanse, trying to cleanse his

body of any kind of, you know, old substances or whatever. her belief is somebody toward the end was giving him drugs to either control him or for whatever reason, and, that, perhaps, the input of a large amount of drugs after him cleansing his system, perhaps, set him over the edge. >> larry: have any of the other family members been quoted about her statements? do you remember? >> i know joe jackson has gone on the record to say he believes in foul play. la toya is speaking for the family. she's talking to her mother all the time. they're united. >> larry: she is speaking for the family. back in 60 seconds with more on the death of michael jackson. murder? caroline stays with us and dr. drew and jim moret join us next. if you're taking 8 extra-strength tylenol... a day on the days that you have arthritis pain, you could end up taking 4 times the number... of pills compared to aleve.

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and author of "mirror effect: how celebrity narcissism is influencing america." what do you make, jim, of la toya's charges? >> i think that, i've spoken with a close friend of the family. they've been concerned people are controlling michael jackson through medication. >> were. >> i don't know that i'd use the term murder. they're clearly concerned that there was, as joe jackson said, foul play. >> larry: foul play implies we're going to come in there and kill someone. that's the way i read foul play. >> i don't think murder was on anyone's mind. i don't believe this was a premeditation, i don't believe there was malice. i believe there could have been. i think investigators are looking into whether there was recklessness, whether there was carelessness, whether there was negligence, where you would or should know that somebody could die. >> larry: negligent like manslaughter? >> like homicide. manslaughter, right. >> larry: what do you read into all this, drew? >> you know, i was really kind of inspired to hear la toya's interview. i thought everything she said was spot-on.

she was clear. understood what she was talking about. it fit with everything i understand about this case. and it was -- >> larry: did you read it? >> i read it in quite a bit of detail. i was really -- i was inspired and really shaken to my core in terms of how accurate her sense of what was going on, in fact, seemed to be. >> larry: caroline, why do you think she really did the interview? >> she spent her life reading rubbish about her family. this is about her brother who just passed away. in the interview she went through a range of emotions. tearful, angry at times. she was grief stricken. i think she did it because she wants people to know the truth. >> i talked to this person, a friend of the family. >> larry: you're not going to name them? >> i won't name them. they're close to the family. i believe she is speaking with the family's blessing. i don't think she's the only person who feels -- she signed a death certificate. >> larry: she signed it? >> it's not like she's in left field speaking on her own. >> with my clinical eye, she's a woman who has had treatment, seems psychologically savvy and insightful.

it was a very -- >> larry: she's had drug treatment? >> no, no. my read is this is somebody who really understands psychology deeply. she uses the language and understanding the average person doesn't have. >> larry: what do you make of four needle marks during the neck? >> sometimes they try to start a central line. they may have been trying to get one in. >> larry: do you think la toya feels guilt, herself, we could have done more, could have, should have, would have? >> i think so. i asked her that. they tried an intervention. they were trying to get close to him. bearing in mind, i think dr. drew can talk to this more. when you're an addict, you isolate. it wasn't just the people around michael isolating him. he was cutting himself off as well. >> i agree. they choose to keep people around them, keep them inslated. a new sense of what people -- >> larry: if this turns out to

be true, what's the effect on michael's image? >> i think the memorial saw a major shift in how people view michael jackson. i think he was humanized the day of the memorial. i think we saw him as a brother, as a son, as a daddy, father. i think many people feel sorry for him now who used to vilify him. >> larry: dr. drew, he was 50 years old. what responsibility does he have in this? he's not a child. >> absolutely. >> larry: there has to be a willing -- no one ran into the house and injected him, i assume. >> that is absolutely true. this is one of the liabilities of being a celebrity. very, very rich and powerful have a tendency to seek special care. when you go to special care, you tepid to get substandard care. yes, addicts tend to keep people around them, keep them in their condition. somebody has to have an ethical compass that allows them to be enlightened enough to intervene on behalf of that human being, not keep access to celebrity in tact. >> larry: caroline, she's got to be angry at people who supported this?

>> she's very angry. very angry in the interview. she said people were around him that didn't have his best interests at heart. to them, he wasn't michael the brother, a father, a child, he was michael the cash cow. a money-making machine. >> larry: do you agree that michael may have been murdered? that's the question tonight. go to cnn.com/larryking, cast your ballot. it's fidelity's guidance -- it shows you ways to spend in retirement that can help your money last, whatever your plans. like, if we wanted to travel? husband: or start a business? advisor: yep. wife: or take some classes? sure.

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was saying. he may have been on some sort of maintenance medication of something. whatever excessive medication he was on, he was coming off of. hot, cold, someone coming off medication. when you take otherwise the acustomary dose, no longer tolerant to that medication, it could be sufficient to kill you or interact with another medication. >> larry: why was the custody hearing postponed, jim. >> postponed because the parties were talking. one of the lawyers said as much. interestingly enough, one person, unifying both katherine and debbie rowe is joe jackson and his statement. debbie rowe said she might want to get a restraining order. katherine wants custody, alone. that might be enough to bring them together. >> larry: did la toya say anything about debbie? >> la toya was quite scathing about debbie. she told me that those children do not know that debbie rowe is

their biological mother. they've met debbie rowe on a couple occasions. at debbie's request, they were never introduced as this is your mom. it was always this is debbie. the children don't know. la toya says she never comes around unless she wants money. >> larry: we tried to get a comment from debbie rowe. her attorney's office says, quote, we have no statement to offer at this time. what, dr. drew, is the long-term emotional effect on the children of this -- if all things are true and learn their father was an addict? >> well, more time than we have to get into her to have a dad who's an addict and a dad who's a superstar and a dad who's dead. all very powerful things. i do know this. deepak chopra confirmed this when i met him in this room a couple weeks ago. michael was extremely careful of who he selected to take care of those kids. it's very clear they had excellent caretakers. a sustained relationship with an adult overtime can buffer a child of intense traumas. >> larry: the claim that michael is worth more dead than alive. >> that's how she feels.

>> larry: album sales? >> album sales, ticket sales. the aeg, the people who had the last concert. i spoke to randy phillips, on your show, 100 hours of footage. the one person making michael jackson not financially viable, was michael jackson. he spent a fortune. tens of hundreds of millions of dollars. now there's no spending. just gaining. gaining. >> larry: are you shocked, jim, many people in londed who bought concert tickets aren't trading them in to get their money back? >> they're getting a commemorative ticket. aeg is coming out just fine. they have $40 million in tickets that they don't have to give back. >> larry: will this ever go away, drew? >> i think it will be with us. those of us who are adults and alive today will remember it always. it will go away as a news story. for a fact, i think it's going to change, i hope it changes the practice of medicine for the better. >> larry: you think it will affect other doctors who enable? >> i think there will be ethical standards.

maybe some laws who come out. >> larry: what happened to presley's doctor who was an enabler? he lost his license? >> i believe he did. >> larry: but no criminal charges. >> you're talking about a different time. you're also talking about a different expectation. i think that if you had run a special two months ago on the abuse of prescription drugs, five people would have watched. now you can get an entire nation interested because there are millions of people affected and they're focused because of michael jackson. >> yeah, i completely agree. >> larry: what's la toya, overall, caroline, make of all this? what's her read on this? >> i think she's very suspicious. i feel -- she said to me that -- i think she's just -- there's many things. i think the main thing is she's a grieving sister and her main thing is justice for michael. he's gone. nothing's going to bring him back. the two focuses of la toya and the family are justice for michael and looking after those children. >> larry: did she say how he looked in death? >> she said he looked like he was sleeping. i said, was he scary, did he look frightening?

she said, no, he looked like he was sleeping, peaceful. nothing freak irk about him. >> larry: the stories about the body emaciated, wrong? >> he was always skinny, working out or whatever. he was always a skinny guy, he wasn't anorexic. >> larry: thank you all very much. we'll have all of you back. you're here in l.a. you can always come back. caroline graham, jim moret, dr. drew pinsky. could drug allegations impact the custody case? the legal experts are in the wings. we'll get into it right after this. taking its rightful place in a long line of amazing performance machines. this is the new e-coupe. this is mercedes-benz.

>> larry: we're back. we welcome to "larry king live" mark geragos, former defense attorney for michael jackson. in new york, judge janine piro presides over the tv court show. that bares her name. serves as westchester county d.a. and county judge as well. here in los angeles, judge joe

brown who presides over his own tv court show. also that bares his name. what do you make, mark, of the la toya charges? >> people keep talking about the -- whether it's manslaughter or anything else. california has a specific what's called implied malice, second-degree murder doctrine which is being used more and more for situations normally you would not think would be in traditional murder. this is clearly a case where i could see under the right circumstances that some prosecutor would bring murder charges, not intentional in the sense people always want to talk about what they think is murder, but what's called implied malice, second-degree murder. >> larry: judge piro, what's your read? >> i think mark is right. there's an implied malice, second degree, which is really a manslaughter charge. if they can show there was diprivan or other drugs in michael's system, i think they'll be able to show that once they do the dissection of the brain, they've got to show

causation, who administered the drugs, who gave them the drugs. any prosecutor will seek an involuntary manslaughter charge. it is time to raise the bar. it is time for doctors to recognize they cannot use their position as a medical doctor to support illegal prescription drug use. that ultimately ends up in death. >> larry: judge brown? your input. >> i'm sure somebody if they had an angle would prosecute the good doctor. >> larry: or doctors. >> or doctors. basically what they found in the home is the same thing they found in, i believe, in 2003 raid that the police did on the home place. now, i think it's going to be necessary for preservation of his image to try to go after a scapegoat just like they did when elvis presley died in memphis. the autopsy showed drug overdoses, but i think jerry francis, good dr. francis, came out without even participating in the autopsy and said it was a

heart attack. so i anticipate that kind of -- >> you know what, with all due respect, it's not about a scapegoat. it's about a doctor who is not licensed by the drug enforcement administration to administer anything more than a powerful cough medicine and who was using allegedly diprivan which is only used in operating rooms and in outpatient surgery rooms. not having the proper resuscitative equipment. this isn't about a good doctor. it's about doctors who have taken a hippocratic oath and using it for their own grief. >> janine, part of the irony of this, at least legally, people keep talking about the manslaughter. if you look at the mental state in the jury instruction for manslaughter, in a lot of ways, it's more rigorous than the implied malice murder. that's why i keep suspecting that somebody, some clever prosecutor, is going to say, you know, given the latest pronouncements of the california supreme court this is a murder case. >> larry: help me with

something, judge. what is a -- is it a crime if i ask a doctor to give me a drug i'm not supposed to get and he gives it to me? is that a crime? >> it can be under certain circumstances. >> larry: please give me diprivan, i want to go to sleep. >> what's going on here, he had apparently had triplet cits of prescription drugs which raises red flags. back in the '80s, you'd use the dea or had the narcs to get the locals going out to someone when they found out they had triple prescriptions. they'd go back into this and find out and go after the user and the person that did the prescriptions. so right now, though, i'd like to point this out. i think everybody is getting a little out of hand right now. all we have is hearsay basing -- basis for some kind of allegation. >> larry: we don't know facts yet. we don't know if diprivan was in the house yet, do we? >> we don't know if diprivan was in the house. we don't know who prescribed it,

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>> larry: looking at michael jackson's fans in london today. very, very popular, of course, in the uk. maybe more popular in the uk than in the united states. with mark geragos, judge jeanine pirro and judge brown. does all this speculation harm things, mark, for the prosecution, for the defense, for everybody? >> of course, it does. there's no question that you've got people saying things -- there's absolutely no basis to know if they're true or not. they become -- they get into the ether so to speak and everybody assumes they're true. >> larry: judge pirro, frankly, what do we know know? what do we know? >> well, you know, the only thing we do know are things someone like la toya tells us or joe jackson tells us or that the family tells us. or, you know, some of the leaks in law enforcement. until we get that toxicology, until that brain is analyzed by a neuropathologist, we're not going it know the cause of death. then what bill bratton will do is look into the viability of a

homicide charge, causation, if it's appropriate or he'll rule it an accidental overdose or rule it just a heart attack which makes no sense if the guy is healthy and 50 years old. >> larry: judge brown, do you agree with that? you have to wait -- all we know is we don't know. >> we need to develop patience. tabloid journalism taking over everything in this country. no patience. everybody's got to know, inquiring minds are running amuck. we need to keep it out of the system. >> larry: do you like the british system better where none of this would be covered? >> the court act would be instituted and that would be the end of that. the only thing i add to what jeanine was saying, one of the first things that will be determined is the coroner will make the determination. once the coroner makes the determination, it will go to the police. the police are working hand in hand with the department of justice, the state department of justice. either they are the l.a. county d.a. is already involved, i guarantee you. they'll make a decision jointly.

>> larry: how far can this go, judge pirro? if an employee of michael jackson's got a false prescription and filled it, are they guilty of something? >> well, you know, it depends. if they were doing it to, you know, accommodate their employer, that's one thing. 3 i'm concerned about the pharmacies. it's rumored one of the pharmacies is owed of $100,000 by michael jackson. you've got all these pharmacies. if they are prescribing drugs to people of different names. the bills are going to one person. the pharmacies could lose their licenses, some of the doctors could lose their licenses. that is at the very low end. if, indeed, there is criminal negligence or a gross deviation from the standard of care that a doctor should conduct himself by, then we could possibly see more serious charges. i think we are now seeing a culture change where society will no longer tolerate these celebrity doctors who do anything for money. >> larry: that may be gone. if all the allegations, judge brown, about the drug abuse are shown to be fact, could that have an impact on child custody? >> i think it should.

in fact, i would be very disappointed with california's system if they don't appoint a guardian ad litem to protect the interest of the children. >> larry: where do the children go? >> where do they go? whose children are they? >> larry: if there's a guardian ad litem, what happens? >> this whole thing banded around, again, on acquiring mind-type approaches which he willed his chirp to someone, you can't do that. they're not property. considering his own admissions out of his own mouth about being naked in bed with somebody else's children, the drugs found in the home when they raided it in 2003, allegedly, then what we are getting right here, there needs to be an investigation in terms of the psychological status of the children, who is a fit parent. the whole nine yards. >> larry: mark, you agree? >> look, my experience with these kids is -- was over a period of time. we defended successfully the child protective services investigation. my experience is that these are tremendously well-adjusted kids. especially the older two who i knew and dealt with.

as long as katherine is in the mention and as long as grace was in the mix who was the long-term caregiver, i don't have any doubt that's the right place for the kids. >> larry: you need a good judge here. >> i think you have a very good judge here. >> larry: great panel. they will be back on other nights. you can count on it. just ask mark. what do you have to say about the jackson case? your comments are next. back in 60 seconds.

>> larry: we're back. the blog has been busier than ever since michael jackson died. here's david to tell us what you're saying about the king of pop and more. david? >> we're tracking different stories on the blog tonight. everybody is talking about the explosive allegations from la toya jackson about the death of her brother. toward that, we're hearing from people like camilla, responding to allegations by la toya jackson that her brother, michael was murdered. she agrees with la toya. there so many things about the investigation that are questionable, there's far too

much not adding up, says she. we're hearing from people like travis, who says this. la toya is obviously in pain. but the responsibility for any medications he was taking lies with michael jackson first and foremost. this conversation continues on the blog, like it does. cnn.com/larryking. look for the blog link, jump into the conversation. larry, i also want to tell you about a web exclusive that we have tonight on the blog, again, cnn.com/larryking. a guest that's about to join you at the desk, professor anita hill. professor, rather, anita hill. she, of course, arose to prominence during the 1991 confirmation hearing of justice clarence thomas. she is a former yale classmate of judge sonia sotomayor. on the blog, in advance of her appearance tonight, she wrote a web commentary in which she talks about her former yale classmate and she talks about her potential new role on the supreme court. cnn.com/larryking. jump in, we look forward to hearing from you. back to you, larry.

>> larry: as david said, our next guest knows something about senate confirmation hearings for supreme court nominees. anita hill. subject to controversy with one of them way back when. my doctor told me something i never knew. as we get older, our bodies become... less able to absorb calcium. he recommended citracal. it's a different kind of calcium. calcium citrate. with vitamin d... for unsurpassed absorption, to nourish your bones.

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informs how i think about this. >> okay. >> i'm reminded of the fact on the one hand you have people of extraordinary talent and energy and drive, some of who succeeded, but others who have been blocked because they find themselves in the circumstances that africans all across the continent find themselves. >> larry: what was it like for you, anderson? >> reporter: it was fascinating. we were at cape cos castle, a dungeon where hundreds of thousands, you know, more than a million africans who had been enslaved were held. many died in these dungeons. many others were then put on slave ships, sent to the new world, sent to america. for the president it was a very emotional journey. he was there with his kids and with his wife. we talked and took a tour of the castle, the dungeons, just after he took the tour with his family. we talk a lot about the personal impact on him. >> larry: we'll see it all at the top of the hour. thanks, anderson.

"ac 360" 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. the president will throw out the first pitch tomorrow night in st. louis at the all-star game. we now welcome coming from walter, massachusetts, where she's a professor, anita hill. accused clarence thomas of sexual harassments during his '91 supreme court confirmation hearings. he was closely, of course, confirmed for the post. was a year, by the way, behind sonia sotomayor at yale university law school. what did you make of the first day of the hearings? >> i think it was what we expected. people were sort of lining up, sort of laying out their positions. it was a -- it was pretty predictable. but i don't think that took away at all from the fact that this is a historic day and historic event that we're witnessing. >> larry: let's take a look at a brief excerpt from the opening statement by the judge before the judiciary committee.

>> in the past month, many senators have asked me about my judicial philosophy. simple. fidelity to the law. the task of a judge is not to make law, it is to apply the law. >> larry: you were a year behind her at yale law school. did you know her there? >> you know, i knew who she was. i saw her in the school. it's a fairly small law school. and i knew that she was a woman from the bronx, and she really was someone who was quite popular at the school, quite active, and engaged. always struck me as very, very vivacious and very, very smart. >> larry: as a professor of law, how do you regard her as a judge? >> i have not looked at every one of her opinions.

i don't think anybody really has, any one person really has. but i've looked at summaries of them and looked at some of her work. i think the body of work, itself, is so impressive. what i see in her work is really just what she said today. that she is, she has great respect for precedence. s the rule of law is her guiding principle. and that she really strides to make sure that comes through in her opinions. >> larry: do you believe -- senator lindsey graham, gop senator from south carolina, said that if he had said anything like her remarks about wise latinas, his career would have been over. do you agree with that? >> i'm not sure exactly what he was trying to get at. i think those comments about a wise latina have been really

exaggerated and exploited for, quite frankly, political purposes. you know, i think what judge sotomayor was trying to indicate was that she comes into her position as a judge, as a person who brings a lot of experiences and her own perspective that der rooifs from those experiences. she's not trying to deny any part of who she is. the law is not something that is applied bay computer. judges are human. all of those judges on the bench bring human aspects into their decision making. >> larry: isn't that -- i guess that's all anyone can bring is their own background. trying to be objective but you still are what you are, right? >> you are what you are. i think this is really a good conversation for us to be having. for us to really think about what president obama went when

he used the term empathy, what it means for a judge to have empathy. i think, you know, the human characteristic of empathy is something that individuals develop between the ages of 1 and 2. so i suspect every judge has it. the question is, how is it applied and when is it used and are you even aware of it? i think she shows that she's aware of it, but, in fact, it doesn't hinder her from applying the rule of law. >> larry: wooil be right back with more of anita hill right after this.

reminder about professor hill's web exclusive. go to cnn.com/larryking, read it and you won't find it anywhere else. we thank her for submitting it to us. by the way, judge sotomayor, did people know about her? was she talked about in legal circles as a possible appointee? >> oh, for some time i think she has been discussed. i think one of the reasons she was discussed was the fact that she was appointed by judge -- excuse me, president bush, the first president bush, and then on the second appointment to the court of appeals, she was appointed by president clinton. i think people believe that that would give her broad bipartisan support. and so she was considered to be one of those individuals always

at the top of the list of individuals who might be considered for the supreme court. and i believe -- >> larry: go ahead, i'm sorry. >> you know, i don't think we should underestimate the fact that we have this opportunity to appoint another woman to the supreme court. both sandra day o'connor and former justice sandra day o'connor or justice sandra day o'connor and justice ruth bader ginsburg have indicated they are very happy that another woman may be coming on to the court. they think that it is important that we have women represented, well-represented. i think that's something that the country should aspire to. >> larry: what, anita, has been the lasting affect on you and your approach to the law since your involvement with the hearings of judge thomas? >> one of the things that has really happened to me since that hearing was my appreciation for

the fact that we really need to connect people with the law. and for people to really understand and appreciate that the decisions made by the supreme court impact their lives. whether or not they have received themselves as plaintiffs. but i think one of the things -- another thing that has been brought out, at least as i read the letters that i've gotten since the hearings is that we need to do a better job as lawyers, as law professorers, and judges of helping people to understand what their rights are. there were so many people who have written me that said they didn't even know they had a right not to be sex kully harassed on the job. and i think that's a failing of our legal system. >> larry: yeah. does the incidence still remain with you? >> it still remains with me.

i've really worked to try to make sense of it. i've also worked to try to make it a positive. you know, it was not a positive experience by any stretch of the imagination, and i'm not sure that we can ever get involved in these huge discussions in this con tect and resolve all of the issues that are presented by them. but i do think that we can learn from events like those hearings that occurred in 1991 and this one as well. >> larry: will the judge be confirmed? >> i believe she will. i think she certainly has enough democratic votes to be confirmed. i would also like for there to be more bipartisan support of this nomination. i think it sends a strong message, not only to sonia sotomayor as she takes her position on the bench, but i think it sends a message to women throughout the country, people of color, through all of america, that this really is the land of opportunity, that it

promises to be, and that if you work hard and you achieve in your life that you can be rewarded by this kind of position and she's well-deserving of it and we'll see. i don't think there's going to be that meltdown that someone suggested would have to happen in order for her to be defeated. i think she's going to really shine in the next few days. >> larry: and finally and quickly, how are you doing? >> i'm great. i'm great. i work hard at being great, but i am doing very well. i love teaching. and it's a great time. >> larry: you're an incredible part of american history. thank you, anita. good seeing you. >> thank you, larry. >> larry: anita hill, professor of law. hey we're exciting to announce the newest member f our larry king live family. london kate alden.