little later. if you have to run, go to fox nation on the radio. >> i'll see you on "outnumbered." >> see you tomorrow. >> bill: thanks, guys, good morning.

>> i'm bill hemmer live in new york. a good day to you at home. good morning, sandra. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith. hazma bin laden, reports of his death. we're told the u.s. played a role. >> lucas tomlinson tracking this. what can we report? >> hamza will not be seeking revenge for his father's death because he is now dead. a u.s. official after there was a $1 million bounty on his head. john roberts asked the president to comment. >> do you have any information that osama bin laden's son has been killed? >> president trump: i don't want to come interest on that. >> u.s. intelligence agencies viewed hamza as an emerging leader of al qaeda. after the attacks the c.i.a. says he and other al qaeda members fled to iran. they were detained but then let go. he released audio and video messages on the internet calling on supporters to launch more attacks on the u.s. and allies around the world.to be t 19 >> a video of his wedding was found in the compound >> the c.i.a. continues to hunt down the current leader of al qaeda. the state department has a $25

million reward for his head. the c.i.a. and u.s. special operations forces have decimated al qaeda over the past 18 years. >> bill: more to come as we get developments. >> sandra: in a matter of hours president trump will be heading to the battleground state of ohio for a big campaign rally just one day after the second round of democratic debates. the parties divide on full display last night as joe biden spent a lot of time sending off attacks from all sides. >> 10 years of a transition, a public plan under my plan for medicare and a private plan. >> any time someone tells you you get something good in 10 years you need to wonder why it takes 10 years. >> sandra: what did you mean when a woman works outside the home there is a deterioration of family? what did you mean when you said it then? >> i came up with the it's on us proposal to see women were treated more decently on college campuses. you said it was wonderful and passionate about the concern making sure women are treated equally. i don't know what's happened except you are now running for president. >> if you want to compare records, i'm shocked that you do, i'm happy to do that? >> why did you announce the first day a zero tolerance policy of stop and frisk and hire rudy giuliani's guy when i was trying to get rid of --

>> you are dipping into kool-aid and you don't even know the flavor. >> sandra: peter doocy is live from detroit where it all went down. >> for a lot of the debate last night joe biden was listening to candidates who support medicare for all and hearing them talk about no co-pays, no deductibles and no premiums and warning others on stage that he thinks that's too expensive and too good to be true. >> i don't know what matthew do in new york. i don't know what math you do in california. that's a lot of money. there will be a deductible out of your paycheck because that's what will be required. >> kamala harris brought numbers of her own accusing biden of drafting a healthcare policy that could leave 10 million americans uninsured. >> in 2019 in america for a democrat to be running for

president with a plan that does not cover everyone, i think is without excuse. >> harris was on her heels later defending her time as a prosecutor and california's attorney general and the candidate who had been reading the most about her record tulsi gabbard. >> she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed if she ever smoked california. >> i did the work of significantly reforming the criminal justice system of the state of 40 million people. >> there was stage wide agreement that too many illegal immigrants are being deported. a trend that started during the obama administration. so bill deblasio was wondering why joe biden didn't tell his own boss to stop deporting so many people. >> did you say those deportations were a good idea or did you go and say this is a mistake and we shouldn't do it,

which one? >> i am not the president, i was vice president. i keep my recommendation in private. unlike you i suspect you would say whatever was said privately with him. >> you would vote president obama more than anybody in this campaign. you can't do it when it's convenient and dodge it when it's not. >> after last night primary voters have a clearer choice than they did before the debate started. candidate representing the obama era like joe biden or a candidate representing the post obama era, basically everybody else. sandra. >> sandra: what a night it was. thank you. >> bill: bombshell revelations now. fox news alert. f.b.i. investigation into its former director james comey. we're learning that agents went to mr. comey's house to collect a secret memo as evidence. all that happening a month after being fired by president trump. the organization lays it out

the following way. >> comey took the f.b.i. files he had on president trump. kept them at his home that was illegal. he leaked them to "the new york times" to get a special counsel. now we know for the first time the f.b.i. was investigating his creation and handling of these memos and it's a month after he is fired they show up at his house, they are interviewing him and he says i have these memos, you want them? come on, guys. >> bill: jason chaffetz now. you have a new book coming up. looking forward to see that. have they caught him red-handed? >> yeah. director comey was so self-righteous in telling the world he knew the law better than anybody else. when the f.b.i. goes to your home and gets memos that reveal evidently we have to see if this is true, but confidential

and classified information. one of the allegations in there, bill, is that there were code names and the real names of people that were informants for the f.b.i. you can't just take that information and put it into your own personal -- have it personally. you can't do that. and how ironic because that was the allegation against hillary clinton that there was classified information in a non-classified setting. that's why the inspector general for the intelligence community made the recommendation to the department of justice to pursue an investigation of her. >> bill: if you follow the logic, the moves that comey made is what led to the creation of bob mueller in the first place, correct? >> oh yeah. oh yeah. he has admitted this. again remember we now know that comey knew that the f.b.i. had come and taken this information. but that is by its very definition sneaky in the way he did it but also -- you can't take classified information. i had a personal conversation,

bill, with director comey where he explained to me you can't read classified information and then summarize it in your own language and put it in a place that's not secure. you can't do that. >> bill: he told you that. you talked to him about that? >> that's evidently what he did. absolutely directly. i had a one-on-one conversation with him. we talked directly about that. he explained to me you cannot summarize classified information, put it in your own handwriting and hold onto it personally. that's why he was pursuing hillary clinton but it appears he did the same thing himself. >> bill: did you watch last night? i assume you did. doug shown summarizes it this way. despite biden's strong performance it is clear that the party has seismically shifted away of the democrats of the 1990s. take biden out of it. what about the seismic shift

that americans have watched this week. how do you see that? >> i see that personified in bernie sanders. the self-described democratic socialist. not even a registered democrat. the outlier four years ago. now the standard bearer. he is painting a picture of america that is so foreign to every american out there i don't think they can digest what is coming at them because everything is going to be free. it is the classic big government, more spending. it is a liberal -- it's a liberal dream that everything is free and that there is more big government. i don't hear the american people asking for that. >> democrats big ideas may reelect trump and rove makes the point, candidate work hard to repel swing voters. the swing voters in the middle of the country. how do they react to that do you believe today the free stuff you just referred to? >> i would add to that their radical idea on open borders

and immigration. look, they have fought against law enforcement. everybody from ice to border patrol. that's not a winning formula to try to fight against law enforcement in this country. i think donald trump is in a better position politically than he has ever been because on the big, major ideas, these people are trying to take us off a cliff that's unrecognizable at the same time the economy is doing well and people are feeling better about their pocketbook and lives ahead. >> bill: a lot of reaction throughout the day. have a great day. thank you. later this hour brand-new reaction from the trump team about last night and the night before that. we'll talk to 2020 press secretary kayleigh mcenany. >> sandra: she has a lot to say on that. we look forward to that. now to this. >> we consider the foreign minister an illegitimate spokesman for iran.

it is a state sponsor of terrorism. the central banker of terrorism. biggest banker without any question. >> sandra: that was john bolton last night doubling down on the white house move to directly target iran's foreign minister in the latest round of sanctions. how tehran is now responding. plus there's this. >> we are making it a felony if you menace a new york city police officer, assault a new york city police officer with water, any type of liquid. you never know what it is. >> bill: a series of incidents where police officers were doused with water. one of those officers and part of the police union will join us. >> sandra: a republican senator saying robert mueller overplayed his hand by traig to scare people into ratting out the president in the russia investigation. ken starr is here and will join us next.

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>> sandra: a new video surfacing as the feud president president trump and congressman cummings continues. the president has called baltimore a crime and rat infested city and he tweeted out an old video of the chairman using the same language to describe areas of his community back in 1999. >> this morning i left my community of baltimore a drug-infested area where a lot of the drugs that we're talking about today have already taken the lives of so many children. the same children that i watched 14 or 15 years ago as they grew up now walking around like zombies. >> sandra: more coming up on this with maryland governor larry hogan. will he join us live at 11:30 a.m. in his first national tv

interview since the battle over baltimore. >> this would happen with mueller. they tried to scare people into ratting on trump. it didn't worked. they were overcharged and i hope these people will have their case revisited. >> bill: he said mueller tried using scare tactics on witnesses all this as the dnc lawsuit against the trump campaign has been dismissed. want to bring in ken starr, good morning and welcome back to our program here. graham saying the worst thing you can do is overcharge somebody. when you do that the rest of the case begins to fall apart. what do you think he was laying out with sean there, sir? >> he is a great senator and great lawyer. i would just offer a friendly amendment. the worst thing you can choose to do is to charge an innocent person. overcharging sounds sort of the same thing, right? but you think the person has done something wrong but you overcharge to put pressure on

them and so it's a very unethical practice to engage in this kind of conduct. that's why, bill, we have an inspector general to look into these kinds of charges. we're looking forward to that report. it's a very serious matter. >> bill: you have an inspector general and federal prosecutors. the prosecutor looks at all of it. those no longer in government included. see where it goes. the tweet from the white house. president says such a great victory in court yesterday on the russian hoax. the greatest political scam in the history of our country, treason. hopefully it will be found out what happened again. never again. you think about the collusion story collapsed thus far. the michael cohen prosecution that folded about two weeks ago that had to do with the payments to stormy daniels, etc. and you think about the dnc lawsuit involving wikileaks

that was dismissed by a judge appointed by bill clinton just this week. you have a string of court cases that have been run through the legal system that have hit dead ends. what does that tell you from a legal perspective about maybe what comes next or not? >> right. i think what comes next is the revelation of the truth. how it all began. so much of this is going, bill, to how did this get started? let's go to genesis 1 and that again is what leads us right back to michael horowitz and his report. i think where it is going to lead us, predictive judgment. i may be proven wrong. is that the entire house of cards collapsed. there was no russian collusion. there was no conspiracy whatsoever. ironically, bill, as you know, the mueller report itself for all of its flaws. i have many criticisms of it, it demonstrates that time and time again begrudgingly but

there was no conspiracy or collusion and lots of signs along the way, bill, that there had not been any kind of coordination with russian operatives and so forth. what we're hearing now is a lot of rhetoric. in terms of the law, all these various and sundry dimensions how this all began will be revealed and the entire thing will collapse. >> bill: thank you so much. really good to get your insight on this and we'll see what comes next if there is a next in due time. thank you, sir. good to see you again. >> sandra: meanwhile shifting to a terrifying story out of ohio this morning. a prank on a middle school teacher nearly kills her. why she is lucky to be alive after some students blatantly ignored warnings that she suffered from a potentially deadly food allergy. >> all of the kids know that she is deathly allergic to bananas. if it touches her she will go into shock.

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>> bill: a group of seventh graders pulling a prank on their teachers that nearly killed her. she was allegeic to bananas. three students smeared her classroom door and doorknob with bananas and threw some at her in the classroom. >> that could be attempted murder. all of the kids know that she is deathly allergic to bananas. if it touches her she will go into anaphylactic shock. she starts to change colors. they gave her a shot and her throat was starting to close up. >> bill: that is nuts. she was rushed to the hospital and did recover and okay. all three students were sentenced to probation through the juvenile court system in

columbus, ohio. >> sandra: anybody who knows anybody with a food allergy it's a very serious thing. onto iran, firing back after the trump administration slaps sanctions on its foreign minister. white house national security advisor john bolton laying out exactly why they decided to take this action. >> we have frozen any assets he has in the united states. we've restricted his activities and those of people who do business with him. and it sends a signal that we consider him, the foreign minister, an illegitimate spokesman for iran. >> sandra: ellison barber is live from jerusalem. >> iran is not happy about these sanctions. revolutionary guard called them ridiculous, illegal and unwise. the target the foreign minister zarif says the sanctions have no effect on him or his family.

he has no property or interests outside of iran. he thanks the u.s. for considering me such a huge threat to your agenda. zarif and the iran president seem to be making the u.s. suggesting the sanctions show the trump administration is afraid. at the same time, they are lambasting them. here is president rohany. >> they are resorting to childish behavior regardless of what interpretation one makes. no other way to see it other than childish actions. they were claiming every day we want to talk with no pre-conditions. we're ready to talk to iran's government at any time. then they sanction the foreign minister. >> the u.s. navy's fifth fleet said they hosted senior representatives from allied and partner nations in bahrain yesterday to announce a security initiative for straight passage through the

strait of hormuz. fox news has told representatives from the united kingdom were at the meeting in bahrain. the british royal navy would not comment beyond that. germany will not join a u.s.-led coalition because they don't believe the u.s.'s policy of maximum pressure is a good one and want to preserve the 2015 iran nuclear agreement. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: the president now calling out the prosecutors in the trial for navy seal eddie gallagher. what the president is doing to penalize the lawyers who went after him. did you see this from last night? >> we currently have a president in the white house who doesn't understand the signs and been pushing science fiction instead of science fact. he thinks when turbines cause cancer in fact they cause jobs. >> sandra: democrats sounding off on climate change last night. what it really is what people in the rust belt wants to hear?

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since 2008. saying the quantity of tightening had come to an end but the markets sort of you passed this one off as sell the news. markets were anticipating the quarter point cut but now maybe no more in the future. >> bill: the argument being made as you well know is other countries are beating us on interests rates because their rates are lawyer -- lower and we can't stay competitive with others. that's what the president is driving to. you can debate whether or not it's the fair direction for our economy. >> sandra: markets are still going strong and still at record numbers for the stock market. earnings up 5.7% from a year ago. jobs are good and the market is rebounding this morning. it is up out of the gate first couple minutes of trading. we'll keep watching it. >> using your power, your influence in the white house did you think it was a good idea or do you think it was

something that needed to be stopped? >> the president came along and came up with the idea. >> you need to be able to answer the tough questions. did you say those deportations were a good idea or did you say to the president it's a mistake and we shouldn't do it. which one? >> i was vice president, not the president. i keep my recommendations to him in private. >> you can't have it both ways. you would -- you can't do it when it's convenient. >> sandra: former vice president joe biden pressed hard on immigration on several occasions some of his rivals called on him to answer for deportations under the obama administration. biden defending president obama and saying to compare him to president trump on the issue is absolutely bizarre. joining us now kayleigh mcenany, press secretary for the trump 2020 campaign. really something, good morning. to see a stage full of democrats against him on multiple occasions on the stage last night. >> yeah, multiple occasions. you saw joe biden having to do

fancy political footwork dancing around president obama's reputation while staking out ground in the far left. at the top of that sound bite he was asked by the moderator would you consider president obama's policies of deporting violent criminals, tens of thousands of which obama deported and he said absolutely not. he doesn't want to deport violent criminals. taxpayer funded healthcare to illegal immigrants but wants to cozy up to president obama. >> sandra: who does the trump campaign see has the best chances of becoming the candidate to go up against donald trump in a general election? >> just prior to these debates president trump said it looks like sleepy joe is ahead. we certainly would take him on as a competitor willingly so. this is someone who has far left policies. he is not among the 1%ers,

those those who are irrelevant. this is someone taxpayer funded healthcare for illegal immigrants. he wants to crowd out private insurance with a public option. this is someone who supports the green new deal. if it's joe biden we're ready. president trump's success can beat sleepy joe any day. >> sandra: did anybody make a move last night? >> it didn't look that way. the two frontrunners of that stage kamala harris and joe biden had disastrous performances. we saw a lot of stumbling and poor debate policies from biden. last night we saw the democrats can kiss goodbye to pennsylvania, goodbye to the midwest. joe biden said i want to eliminate all fossil fuels.

goodbye auto industry and manufacturing in this country and goodbye the midwest for democrats. >> sandra: that was your thinking as you watched the debate and after the debate you tweeted this out on behalf of the campaign. goodbye pennsylvania, and auto industry and goodbye midwest. another win for president donald trump. one of the exchanges between the democrats last night on coal and the green new deal. watch. >> the science tells us we have to get off coal in 10 years. >> we will end any subsidies for coal and any other fossil fuel. >> why not invest in the green jobs? that's what the green new deal is about. >> sandra: campaign response? >> it took president trump to bring back manufacturing in this country adding more than half a million manufacturing jobs. that comes after president obama and vice president biden lost 193,000 manufacturing jobs. so president trump reversed the

trend and there you are hearing democrats endorse the green new deal which would decimate manufacturing yet again and cost every american household $600,000. we cannot afford that in this country. it would wreak havoc on the economy. >> sandra: there was another important exchange last night between joe biden and castro who served in the obama administration over immigration. here is that exchange. >> secretary, we sat together in many meetings. i never heard him talk about any of this when he was the secretary. >> we need politicians with guts on this issue. >> mr. vice president, please respond. >> i have guts enough to say his plan doesn't make sense. the fact of the matter is that in fact when people cross the border illegally, it is illegal to do it unless they're seeking asylum. >> it looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past and one hasn't. >> sandra: joe biden arguing

for some criminal penalties for unauthorized border crossings. did he make his point? who won that exchange? >> he didn't make that point and here is why. joe biden says he still wants it to be a crime to cross the border but literally moments before that he said he would absolutely end obama's deportation policies. so if it's a crime to cross the border but you don't want to deport the criminals who have crossed this border and remove them from the united states, you are an open borders advocate just like your peers who want to decriminalize. joe biden can't escape the far left label. he is trying to preserve the centrist lane but there isn't a centrist line in the democratic primary. >> sandra: the president heads to ohio for another campaign rally tonight. what should we expect to hear from the president? >> i'll be heading out to ohio to meet the president there in a bit. we're going the hear about the

soaring economy. you have a vision between job production with the usmca which would revive this country economically, protect our union workers and then you have the green new deal which would devastate the country. you'll hear from the president about the economy, the great successes we've had and how they're all reversible. should one of the crazies we saw last night take over. >> sandra: kayleigh mcenany, thank you. >> bill: 21 before the hour. is this a key piece of evidence now in the case of a missing mother of five? details on a bombshell new report today out of connecticut coming up. >> sandra: police unions and lawmakers making a new push for accountability as more officers have been doused with water on the streets of new york city. next we'll get both sides to react from the nypd to one of the lawmakers pushing for that change. >> you don't dump a bucket of anything on a police officer.

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>> sandra: connecticut police reportedly discovered a blood stained shirt they suspect connecticut mother jennifer dulos was wearing when she disappeared two months ago. officers found the shirt in a trash bin along with sponges and mops that also contained traces of blood. authorities have charged dulos's estranged husband and his girlfriend with tampering with evidence. >> the street is uneasy and the street is turning against new york city police officers. >> we now have individuals literally drenching on-duty police officers with buckets of water during routine patrols.

this legislation will criminalize this despicable behavior. >> hopefully my colleagues in albany will support this legislation from both sides of the aisle because if that's what they care about, the true safety of our law enforcement, they will. >> bill: have new york lawmakers and police union members responding to a series of water attacks in new york city. proposing legislation that would make it a felony to throw water at an officer. ed mullins and mike reilly, we have the politician and the union rep here. how are you guys doing? good morning. i grew up in ohio and i've looked at these videos and every time i see them i think if i'm 15 years old and doing that to an officer i'm in handcuffs. >> you don't have mayor deblasio and police commissioner in ohio and

officer connected to the eric garner. tie the hands of nypd and law enforcement. a sergeant was involved in a shooting, disciplined, indicted for murder. so there is a mixed message that's occurring out there in the field to police officers. we hear them say we want enforcement. keep doing what you're doing. but they don't back the members of the nypd. cops are now sitting back. >> bill: now the case is a push for a felony. would it pass in albany, sir? >> we'll do the best we can. as a former lieutenant in the new york city police department i know exactly what the officers are feeling on the street. i know the burden they have on their shoulders. unfortunately this stems where we are today because of all that ed mentioned before, the rhetoric coming out. the rhetoric is outrageous. >> bill: he mentioned the mayor. he can't be everywhere at once as you well no and he is a big city. he chose to be in detroit. how much of this is his

responsibility, sir? >> honestly, over the last several years he has been an absentee landlord for the city and that's the reality of it. mayor deblasio was elected to lead a city, not a movement. that's what he is doing. the problem is, all this coming out of city hall not only from him but members of the new york city council, members from the state legislature. everything that they're doing is actually making police officers' jobs harder. we talk about the effect the mr. mullens mentioned. that's a true thing because when you don't have the leadership backing you up you actually are hesitant. >> bill: let me come back to his case in a moment here. arrests have been made in the last few days. so they're now taking action. is this difficult? >> arrests have been made. over the weekend we had 12 people shot in brownsville. two individuals walked amongst 100 cops. they felt that bold to walk with guns to shoot 12 people.

why is that? why do we have five separate incidents of water thrown at cops and know action taken? it's the stand down effect. the pant -- we don't have the backing from commissioner o'neill or the backing of mayor deblasio. he is out on every campaign. telling how crime is down in the city of new york but saying -- >> bill: he is looking for the next job. we'll see how far he gets in his candidacy. last night this came out with the debate. they were telling mayor deblasio to fire pantelao. will he keep his job? >> i don't know. for all the people that are yelling to fire him especially the candidates on stage last night i'm willing to bet not one of them has been in a choke hold and for them to say that

without having expert knowledge on it they're incorrect. >> it reflects to eric garner from stanton island. he was being arrested for selling fake cigarettes i believe or cigarettes under the market. what do you think should happen to that officer? >> you know, it's a tough thing when you're on the police department and you are on patrol. police work sometimes is not a pretty sight. it is tragic that mr. garner lost his life. but in no way do i think that the officer went out there with that intention. let's put this in perspective. the patrol guide. it is a guide. it means that not everything -- just a guide, what it says. not everything conforms to what is supposed to be in there on the street. sometimes things factor in that weren't anticipated. now i want to present you with this. choke hold prohibited in the patrol guide. intentional choke hold. it is also if someone has a vehicle and they don't have a firearm but they are driving

that vehicle at you, you are standing on sixth avenue and they're ready to drive that car into you to run you down and kill you, i'm a patrol officer on sixth avenue on foot. i see it. would you want me to shoot at that vehicle to stop them from hitting you? you would, right? well, guess what? i would be violating the patrol guide. so think about that. just because -- >> bill: the point you're making has a trickle down or trickle up effect on the police patrolling the city. last comment on that, sir, as you create the argument you are making, a buffer between the police and the citizens they are hired to protect. >> it really comes down to policy and it comes down to what should have been established day one when this incident occurred where commissioner and his chiefs should have came right out and explained what the policies were of the department and what was a choke hold. >> bill: do you think it's

unique to new york or do you see it elsewhere? >> this particular case is unique to new york. but elsewhere they had a case like this in las vegas. the nypd sent someone to las vegas to talk to experts on choke holds. they were told it wasn't a choke hold. they didn't like what they heard and packed up and left. so it's political here in new york. but what we're seeing is this effect is affecting police officers nationwide. >> bill: thanks to both of you. i'm out of time. thank you for yours today and see how far you get on the felony push. >> sandra: breaking news coming into the newsroom nou. deadly explosion in kentucky sending flames 300 feet into the air causing widespread damage. so what caused that blast? a live report coming up.

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>> sandra: president trump intervening for a second time now in the case of a decorated navy seal acquitted in the murder of an isis prisoner. the president instructing the navy to rescind medals that were awarded to the prosecutors who handled gallagher's case. christina coleman is live in los angeles with that story. christina, good morning. >> good morning. navy officials confirming this morning the navy secretary has taken back those honors. the four prosecutors who argued the case were awarded navy achievement medals after edward gallagher was found guilty of only one of seven charges he was facing. the president tweeted last night the prosecutors who lost the case against edward gallagher who i released from solitary confinement were ridiculously given a navy achievement medal. not only did they lose the case they had difficulty with

respect to information obtained from opposing lawyers and giving immunity in a totally incompetent fashion. it comes weeks after a jury of five marines and two sailors war zone veterans acquitted gallagher of murder. he was accused of stabbing to death a 15-year-old isis fighter in 2017 and posing with a corpse for photos. he was only found guilty of posing with a human casualty. the nearly nine months he spent in custody leading up to the trial covered his four month sentence and did no additional time. critics of the president's order to rescind the medal says it furthers the politization of the military. >> bill: u.s. officials say the son of osama bin laden is dead. he was being groomed by his father to take over al qaeda. what does his death mean to our national security and this from last night, did you catch it? >> i went to a place in florida called homestead and there is a private detention facility

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>> sandra: fox news alert. president trump heading for ohio later today and brand-new reaction just moments ago from the trump campaign after round

two last night of the democratic debates. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm sandra smith. >> bill: late nights this week all around, right? i'm bill hemmer. good morning. big rally tonight in cincinnati. the president returns to a battleground state that he won in 2016 by about eight points. the trump campaign making it clear they do not believe anyone on that stage the last two nights in detroit will make america great again. calling it a win for the president. >> sandra: according to the trump 2020 press secretdemocrs the rust belt. >> the so-called two frontrunners of the stage, harris and biden had disastrous performances. biden vowed to wake up and fight last night. we saw stumbling. bad policies. the democrats can kiss goodbye to pennsylvania, goodbye to the midwest. joe biden said i want to eliminate all fossil fuels.

goodbye auto industry and manufacturing. >> bill: let's get the first reaction from the white house. kevin corke leads from the north lawn. >> sandra: good to be with you. you heard her say there was plenty of stupid socialism. strong reaction from the trump administration. the president make known his thoughts on the debate last night. the second debate by the democrats. let me take you to twitter so i can share part of his thoughts. he said this, the people on stage tonight and last were not those that will either make america great again or keep america great. our country is now breaking records in almost every category from stock market to military to unemployment. we have prosperity and success like never before. it will soon be time to choose to keep and build upon that prosperity and success or let it go. he ends by saying this, bill. respected around the world. i haven't let you down.

we'll only grow bigger, better, stronger together. that was not, repeat not the view of the assembled democrats last night on stage in detroit. many who took aim directly at the president's policies which they claim have failed the american people time and time again. in fact, one candidate said he was certain the president was watching and believe it or not actually enjoying last night's debate. >> the person that's enjoying this debate most right now is donald trump. we pit democrats against each other while he is working right now to take away america's healthcare. >> cory booker there. you saw a picture of tulsi gabbard who had a strong attack on kamala harris. the back and forth happening last night. while the democrats look to whittle down the field the white house is looking to build upon that intraparty squabble with a massive rally in the key swing state of ohio tonight, a state the president won comfortably in 2016 over

hillary clinton. now that rally, of course, is coming up later today. we expect to hear from the president before he makes his way to ohio. as we get that i promise to pass it along. for now, back to you. >> bill: thank you, kevin. nice to see you. >> sandra: our next guest is from another key battleground state, florida. and he is our headliner this morning. republican senator rick scott. good morning to you. thank you for being here. >> good morning. they're cueing up playing for florida. take away healthcare, open the border, green new deal. that's not the way to win florida. >> sandra: what overall have you thought about the last two nights and the democrats on that stage? >> they've gotten so far to the left. first off think about it. they call themselves progressive. i grew up in a very poor family. these guys are all regressive. they'll take us back to a time where you couldn't get a job.

think about this. they'll raise taxes on everybody and it will help our economy? the green new deal will kill jobs. what they're doing is playing right into helping donald trump make sure he wins. >> sandra: they were standing in detroit, michigan, a key state for 2020. you saw how close it was in 2016. not a lot of talk about how to fix things in detroit on that stage. how overall do you think they played in the state of michigan? >> i don't think they are playing well anywhere. the average american does not want borders to be open. they want security in this country. they don't want higher taxes. they want lower taxes. they want somebody that says i can take care of the environment and grow the economy at the same time. we did it in florida. you can do it. and no one -- i have not talked to anybody that says i want to get rid of my employer-sponsored healthcare. nobody thinks that way. they are losing everybody the way i look at it. >> bill: a couple things for our viewers in michigan.

results from 2016 the president beating hillary clinton by a nose .4% there. in florida your home state 1.2%. still real close but based on elections these days 1.2% sometimes can be a mile. kamala harris went after immigration last night. after the border issue. she chose to focus it on homestead in florida. and she described going to a detention facility there the following way last night. >> i went to a place in florida called homestead. and there is a private detention facility being paid for by your taxpayer dollars, a private detention facility that currently houses 2700 children. i saw children lined up single file based on gender being walked t be treated like criminals. >> bill: like to get your response on that, too. she said she went there and she is a member of the u.s. senate.

not allowed to go in so she walked down the street. got a ladder to look over a fence and that's where she said she saw the children lined up in single file lines according to gender. have you been to this facility, sir? >> well, i've been down to homestead but if you look at this, it was open in 2014. where was she is 2014 and warren in 2014. you look at the whole group of people up there, 200 years experience elected and things like that. what have they done? did they secure our border? none of them. never secured our border. fixed the asylum laws? all their policies are causing this problem and now they want to say let's just open the borders, let's don't do it. we'll just -- let everybody in whether you're a terrorist, whether you're bringing in drugs. we know there are a lot of wonderful people that want to come in but terrorism and drugs coming across the board. we have to have a border. >> sandra: we were able to confirm this morning that osama

bin laden's son has been killed. what does this mean for our country? what does it mean for our national security? >> it probably gives some finality to the people who lost their loved ones in 9/11. unfortunately it seems like we'll fight terrorism for the rest of our lives. there are people who don't like our way of life. but we have a great military and they will continue to try to keep us safe. i'm glad that we have -- after barack obama, now we're spending more money, record amounts of money on our military and we need to keep doing that. we have enemies around the world. >> bill: how would you -- scant mentions of foreign policy the last two nights. here is one of those tulsi gabbard slamming the president over al qaeda. she said this? >> the problem is that this current president is continuing to betray us. we were supposed to be going after al qaeda but over years now not only have we not gone after al qaeda who is stronger

today than they were in 9/11. our president is supporting al qaeda. >> >> bill: she is making the case that the government of saudi arabia is helping al qaeda. how do you respond to that? what did you think of the dearth of discussion on foreign policy? >> what's the primary responsibility of our federal government? to keep us safe. make sure we have a strong military, keep us safe. just remember the democrats, joe biden there, democrats in eight years could have solved the problems. they left trump with problems in north korea, iran, and they want to attack the president trying to get out of conflicts he doesn't want to continue? so it's disingenuous what they're doing. >> sandra: a big vote on legislation that would avoid $125 billion discretionary spending cut next year. how do you plan to vote? >> well, look, i know a lot of

people worked hard on this. the president, steve mnuchin, mitch mcconnell and richard shelby and i like the fact we're putting the money in for defense. i'm supportive of defense but i can't vote for it. we have $22 trillion of debt, trillion dollar deficits and we need to live within our means, make tough choices. we have to run this country better than we've been running it. we can't run it with the big deficits all the time. >> bill: you're a no? >> i'm a no. >> bill: can they get enough republicans to pass it or does it fail? >> well, i represent the state of florida and i know that we continue to borrow this money. our kids and grandkids will have to pay for it. sometime we have to stop saying both republicans and democrats won't get everything they want and make tough choices. it will be tough. i had to do it in florida. nobody likes that.

everybody wants their pet projects and lots of waste. the go said we spend $150 billion in improper payments last year and everybody seems to be okay with that. right now no one is worried about the deficit and the debt. there is a day of reckoning with this. >> sandra: before we let you go. heading closer to 2020 and your state playing such a key role in 2016 as we looked forward. any predictions how 2020 turns out for your state? >> trump is going to win. you look at all you have to do is talk about what the democrats are doing. open border, take away your employer-sponsored healthcare. socialized medicine. green new deal and he wins. >> bill: thank you for your time. >> have a good day. >> bill: fox news alert. gas line explosion killing one person overnight. in lincoln county, kentucky south of lexington. five people injured and several said to be still missing in that area.

>> woke us up a big roar and fire going all the way up in the sky as far as you could see. our windows were shaking really bad and our doors. the ground. you could hear the ground moving and tumbling and rolling. >> girlfriend's house and like an atomic bomb went off. a big cloud of smoke go up. >> bill: matt finn is following up. what do we know? >> this explosion could be seen for miles and people in an entire region of kentucky thought they witnessed a major plane crash or bomb that went off. this morning local authorities in lincoln county say the explosion was a rupture in a 30 inch gas pipeline at 1:00 a.m. it could have been much more deadly if the explosion went off when more children and people were outside. right now the fires are out but there are about 5 to 7 people still unaccounted for or missing. one person is dead, five people

injured and being treated. investigators say the debris and area around the explosion is too hot to deal with, which is hampering search efforts. >> the debris and structures at the site are still too hot to deal with. so that's going to hamper our search efforts for any persons. but that is ongoing. >> about 75 homes were evacuated. six structures and railroad track were destroyed. the flames reached 300 feet in the air. the explosion happened in one of three pipelines in the area, pressure has been dramatically decreased in the other two pipelines and right now people are not being allowed back into their homes and even first responders are being kept at a distance. the area is just too dangerous. >> bill: thank you. follow it for us, matt finn from chicago. thanks. >> sandra: breaking news coming to the newsroom on a rate cut that is meant to keep the

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>> sandra: police releasing new video showing innocent bystanders attacking a gunman during a hostage situation in arizona. the video is surfacing one year after an incident at a convenience store in phoenix. the suspect entered a store shooting a young father in the head. then taking hostages even forcing them to help barricade the door. minutes later the hostages turned the table tackling the suspect and running out of the store. eventually the swat team moved in and subdued him. carson still awaiting trial on multiple charges including first degree murder.

>> democrats afraid of big ideas. republicans aren't afraid of real ideas. >> when we run on things that are workable, not fairytale economics. >> $30 trillion has to be paid. i don't know what math you do in new york or what math you do in california but i tell you that's a lot of money. >> i don't understand why democrats on this stage are fear mongering about universal healthcare. it makes no sense. >> bill: there you go. 2020 sampling fighting over healthcare last night and debating the merits of socialism. some believe this is where the white house needs the party to be going into 2020. charles payne was watching last night. >> i was watching and tweeting. i had a ball. a lot of fun. honestly, it was an amazing, amazing night for president trump. they really went at each other. maybe a format the way the

questions are asked and instigated to fight each other. it was a serious battle and they revealed a lot of the problems with their own platform. everyone calling everyone out. they gave the talking points that the president will need no matter who it is. >> sandra: democrats are debating socialism like donald trump wants them to. pete buttigieg on that stage warned his fellow democrats donald trump will say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. >> they did. you have the so-called moderates versus the far left. if you think about the top four candidates warren, sanders, of course i would say harris and biden, one common thing is anti-capitalism. now, you know, we frame it as socialism versus capitalism in part because we think about economic theories and those are the two that people know. i'm not sure biden isn't talking socialism but he is talking anti-capitalism and talking about -- >> bill: that's what you hear?

>> with insurance executives and locking up executives. so no matter who wins you will have a candidate on the democratic -- for the democrats who will be anti-business, anti-profits and in a way that will really, i think, could be detrimental to the economy. >> bill: how far barack obama has fallen out of favor. how did that happen? >> sometimes biden got confused. every now and then he said when he is good for you and not. >> bill: booker called him out on it. >> it is interesting because obamacare, the indictment of obamacare is coming from the democratic party, right? essentially even if you have a joe biden he is saying he could fix it or make it better. bottom line the indictment of obamacare didn't do what it promised to do. >> sandra: you heard rahm emanuel talking about that.

elizabeth warren swears she is a capitalist and free market lover. what about her? >> i didn't see anything pro capitalist about elizabeth warren to be honest with you. i think warren and sanders were pretty smart. they sort of mr. and mrs. smith thing against the other candidates. they got back the back and fended off the moderates and so-called realists. last night was a free for all where everyone exposed the problems with their own programs. it's hard for the democratic party at this moment to argue anything economically on the economic basis. and to be quite frank. >> bill: because of what numbers show? >> by the same token ultimately i think someone like a bernie sanders will say it's not about economics, it's about what's right. in their mind the economics of it and the idea you have to square it up, the numbers have to align themselves. >> bill: think it's an

interesting policy debate. you don't have to agree with the policy but showing the colors of a lot of those who want radical change in government. >> a few of them are saying they want radical change. some are saying i want to come out of the primary as a legitimate general election candidate. i'm not sure you can have it both ways as a democrat. >> sandra: markets pleased with what we're seeing. the federal reserve cutting interest rates for the first time in 10 years yesterday. they didn't like it at the time. sold off. finished more than 300 points down yesterday but i'll bring your attention to the screen here at the big board is now up triple digits. >> i've always told people the last hour and a half of trading when the fed makes decision don't make decisions. there is machines, emotions, it is too nuts. wait for the next day, maybe 24, 48 hours to get a better assessment. here is the thing i came away

with. jay powell may be more human than i thought he was with respect to his feelings and being able to be pushed around on policy. i'm not talking about president trump's tweet but the market more than anything else. he took some shots i think yesterday at president trump. if you listen closely. >> bill: what did you hear? >> he took at least three times during the press conference the q & a part he took the lion's share of credit for the economy. not giving it to president trump or the administration. first question trying to justify only going 25 basis points. the economy has performed as expected. i wouldn't take credit for all of that. he made a similar statement on more than one occasion and talked about the trade issue a lot. in the past the fed have said the trade skirmish with china has had a minimum effect on our economy. now he talked about like it is a big headwind. >> bill: not just for the u.s. but people around the world.

>> the first time he spoke like that. he felt that some people may believe that the 25 basis point cut he was being push around by the white house and his reaction i'll get tougher. >> sandra: what does the interest rate cut mean for people at home? >> lower mortgages, should mean -- some of these things have started to happen, right? more money being able to circulate in society easier. that means that people have a greater chance of accessing it to start a business, buy a house or some other things. it should be good for the economy. more importantly, though, they didn't put the speed bumps out there. the wage gains should continue. >> bill: you think the fed got it right? >> i think they got it wrong in december for sure. this was a makeup for that. >> sandra: got it. thank you. the spotlight on the economic conditions of baltimore continuing the feud between top democratic congressman elijah

cummings and the president. a new op-ed says the brawl may be sendsing racism in political abstraction. >> bill: a democratic pile onfor every direction. biden fighting to defend everything on his record, his time in the obama years to his future plans for the country. the a-team is ready to roll on that and more next. >> i think the good news for joe biden is this was maybe the best he could do. and the bad news is this may be the best he could do. ok everyone!

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>> bill: fox news alert on the bronx father charged with killing his twins. the babies died after being left for hours in a hot car while he was working. laura engel is covering that story in the bronx. >> 39-year-old juan rodriguez told police the day that his twins were found dead in his car that he thought he had dropped them off at daycare

before heading to work. of course we know that ended much differently. rodriguez just arrived here at the courthouse with his family in tow looking visibly upset carrying a small child, possibly his 4-year-old. he is here to face charges after his twins were left strapped into their car seats in the sweltering heat for over eight hours last friday while he went to work as a social worker at a v.a. hospital in the bronx and left them behind. rodriguez was arrested a few blocks away from his job after he left work, drove away and pulled over in a panic when he realized his babies were in the back seat. the father of five is charged with two felony counts of second degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide and two misdemeanor counts of en gaining erg the wife -- endangering the life of a child. they believe he would never do anything to hurt the children

intentionally. last year 52 cases of parents or guardians leaving children in hot cars who died from heat stroke and just like this case, prosecutors across the country find themselves forced to decide whether to charge a grieving parent or guardian with a crime or not charge them at all. prosecutors decide they want to move forward with felony charges they will need a grand jury indictment likely being discussed here today. they could decide to lessen the charges or drop them entirely. if he gets convicted on all the charges he currently faces he could get up to 40 years in prison. we'll have more as the day develops here. >> bill: tough story in bronx, new york. >> this morning i left my community of baltimore a drug-infested area where a lot of the drugs that we're talking about today have already taken the lives of so many children. the same children that i

watched 14 or 15 years ago as they grew up now walking around like zombies. >> sandra: that was congressman elijah cummings during a hearing back in 1999. his description of baltimore, a city he represents, echoing president trump's recent tweets about the city that have come under harsh criticism. let's bring in the a-team. jessica tarlov, jenna ellis reeves, and dan henninger, also a fox news contributor. good morning to all of you. starts us off here. there are similarities for sure between what we heard from cummings then and what the president is saying today. >> they're talking about baltimore. but what has gone on in the past week are the charges back and forth over racism where the president is racist. it struck me this word is becoming an abstraction. we should talk about the realities in cities like baltimore. one of the realities is going

back to 1964 and the passage of the civil rights act of 1964 and in the 60s you had race riots across america in cities like los angeles, chicago, newark, new york, indianapolis, baltimore, kansas city. over 55 years all of those cities have been under democratic control with no republicans running any of those cities with the exception of new york for 55 years and to this day you have failing schools, you have public housing that is falling apart, the f.b.i.'s most recent crime statistics put most of those cities as the most violent cities in the united states. that's the real racism, a racism of political failure. the democrats try to offload all of this on donald trump suggesting they're aware of the fairly and want to change the subject. >> i disagree. with the idea that this is trying to offload this onto donald trump. i'm more than happy to have a conversation about policies

that have failed in this country and how we can work to do better. the issue here is a long history of racism from the president going to his days running buildings in new york city where he wouldn't let african-americans rent there. he and his father fred trump. discussing this rather passionately yesterday. he is a birther. a man who still thinks the central park five is guilty. the real issue with what he did about baltimore he was only talking about it because cummings pissed him off. that is different what cummings was saying there. he was needing help for the city not demaoum anizing the people who live there. many cities in the country have a lower median income. 61st percentile. there are poorer cities like kentucky. mick mulvaney's district. my point is we can talk about the president's racism and

improving cities and we shouldn't allow ourselves. >> sandra: that's getting lost in all this. how do we fix baltimore? >> that's what is getting lost. jessica is saying she wants to talk about policy nobody is talking about policy. they pivot and let's talk about the president's history of racism. what's not being talked about is the fact that this type of attack against baltimore is saying let's find the truth here. let's look at what is going on in america and let's bring this to light. no one was talking about baltimore until president trump shown the light on. now everyone is talking about it. you have all of these reporters going in and actually -- bennie arthur johnson from tpusa was talking too people who were thankful to give the story. when people are just claiming racism, that's a ridiculous low hanging fruit. >> bill: in an hour the maryland governor larry hogan will be on our program.

he hasn't done a television interview and we'll get his feelings next hour. last two nights were very revealing. i can pick a side, whatever you want. this is how david axelrod summed up joe biden's performance in round two. >> the good news for biden is the best he can do. the bad news is the best he can do. he was much better than last time and much more engaged but i agree with these guys, he had moments in which he was uncertain, where he was on the defensive and the main thing is he was -- he was the guy who was going to take on trump and bring it to trump and restore values and decency. >> bill: that is how axelrod scored it. how do you score, dan? >> something like that. i thought biden did a lot better than he did in the first debate and he survived this one. they are talking as though what they want is a street fight

with donald trump. they're building donald trump into somebody who is 60 feet tall. that's all they talk about. it is a long time before the presidential campaign comes a year from november. they seem to be suggesting that the only one willing to fight with trump is elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren represents a politics i think that is going to take the democrats back to 1972 and a wipe-out that george mcgovern suffered at the hands of richard nixon. she can't possibly win with the extreme policies she is pushing. >> sandra: democrats big ideas may reelect donald trump from medicare to the green new deal candidates work hard to repel swing voters. rove talks about biden's strong performance and solid frontrunner status. clear the party seismicly shifted away from the party of the 1990s making his path to the nomination far from certain. >> i think biden had a strong performance last night. i think the other candidates on

the stage treated biden and kamala harris at the frontrunner. the first 20 minutes on healthcare was a pile- on on her more than joe biden. democrats need to take stock of how popular president obama is. there was a lot of running away from him from people who worked in the administration. >> bill: how do you fall out of favor so fast? how did that happen? what do you think? they are all democrats with the exception of sanders they are all democrats, aren't they? >> what i'm seeing here, too, the democratic party is having an identity crisis and pivoting so far left just to be anti-trump that they have to really take stock of what policies they are actually running on. they're running away from a good economy and low unemployment. running away from capitalism and saying let's give everything for free.

john strassel took stock of -- it would cost the american people. the american government is not a revenue generating institution. this is coming out of your and my pocket. when the democrats are going so far -- that's what radicalism is. >> bill: doug shown is making this point. >> sandra: i combined karl rove and doug schoen. >> obama's role here is mysterious. i regard barack obama as the most left wing president of the post war period. he was a man of the left. tom perez, his labor secretary was a man of the left. and why the current edition of the progressive party in the democrats thinks he wasn't left enough suggests to me as i was saying earlier they're pushing that party so far to the left that they simply are not going to be able to run down the

center in a general election against donald trump. >> bill: that is an argument you could make about elizabeth warren. i'm a fan of the campaign she is running. she is unabashedly authentic and believes in her politics and looks like they is having fun with it. joe biden is the clear frontrunner, up 15 to 20 points no matter what poll you look at running on a moderate platform building on the accomplishments of president bam ya. he uses the word obamacare but he is -- >> he is saying let's get rid of fossil fuels and give government-provided healthcare. >> bill: back to rove's piece. democrats' big ideas may reelect trump. he makes the point medicare for all to green new deal they work hard to repel swing voters. they will determine this thing.

they're in michigan. the president beat hillary clinton by that much in michigan three years ago. does this turn people off in pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, missouri? >> i think president trump with his policies are resonating. people who are so steeped in the politics are looking at it an analyzing adissecting every little thing. what voters in michigan and states are recognizing when you have the average american who wakes up every day with better taxes, low unemployment, with the high economy. when they are actually looking at what president trump has done for america, they are excited. we see this at the rallies. we see it at the polls. i'm not a fan of the polls, you know that. when you look at every other metric here president trump is the clear frontrunner. >> sandra: another rally tonight. you see biden as the frontrunner, did anybody make a clear move in the past two nights for you, jessica? >> elizabeth warren did. she will continue her ascension.

steve bullock is a good addition to the race. he made himself a clear and important moderate voice on the first night. he is running in a trump state and knows how to get back on. there are a lot more. >> bill: thank you all, nice to see you. we've got new developments now. the case of two american teenagers accused of killing a italian police officer. they have a lawyer. one said it was self-defense. could it hold up in court? our attorney is on that case coming up next. >> sandra: bombshell new documents revealing f.b.i. agents retrieved a secret memo from james comey's home a month after he was fired. congressman devin nunes is the ranking member on the intelligence committee and will join us live at the top of the hour with fresh reaction. hi i'm joan lunden.

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>> bill: fox news alert now. two california teenagers in a jail in rome accused of killing a police officer. it happened after a botched drug deal. one of the teens claiming the

stabbing was self-defense. fox news legal analyst mercedes colwin on this today. >> what a cautionary tale. the italian judicial system is different from us. no jury, judge making the decision. already the judge is indicating that she is a little suspicious of the self-defense that they're claiming that took place and that resulted in the stabbing of the police officer. she said it is lack of self-control. so already she's suspicious of self-defense. that's their core defense. coming forward and saying that police officer didn't identify himself. we thought we were going to be robbery victims and we defended ourselves and what resulted in the death of the officers. >> the father said he cannot come to terms with it. deeply upset while convinced of his innocence. >> any parent would.

i'm sure they're struggling with the fact these children -- forget the miranda rights. no indication miranda rights were given to these children. we don't know what they're facing in terms of what will happen once you have this process in place. one judge is already suspicious. >> bill: this statement is more revealing to me. the same father said his son never imagined there could be a confrontation and didn't know his friend was armed. now you get -- you are setting each other up against each other as defendants. >> here in the u.s. it would work where you have the two coming forward saying i didn't know this was happening and then have one of them testify against the other. that's not how it works. what's happening right now is that if there is a death, if there is a murder, both can be charged with murder. there isn't at least being reported no mitigation that we can see where one can try to play off the other.

they are both going to be charged. so far just the individual -- the teen that stabbed the police officer but expected the second teen will be charged with murder. >> sandra: it has captivated the nation and world for obvious reasons. how does that change things like this, the attention it's receiving? >> doesn't it sound like amanda knox? it went for many years. it is happening the same way. you see the same pattern and the incredible media attention around these teens. we are fixated on it because of the difference between our justice system. you compare it to systems outside of the u.s. and you start to see wow, maybe our system is significantly better and affords rights not given in other countries. >> bill: it could be self-defense if they go that direction. police found the knife in one of the ceiling tiles inside the room of these two teenagers

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>> sandra: all right. a simple math problem with not a simple answer. going viral dividing the internet. what is the answer to this math equation? brett larson is here. >> i feel like i'm having a bad dream and having a bad math test. 8 divided by 2 and in brackets 2 plus 2. you do what's in the brackets first, 2 plus 2 is 4, 8 divided by 2 is 4, 4 times 4 is 16.

>> sandra: that's how i was taught math. i loved math. bill hemmer how do you see it? >> bill: my fourth grade teacher would have said 8 divided by 2 is 4. 2 plus 2 is 4. smitty would say you multiply them together and get 16. why do people come up with 1 >> there is another method of doing this that i've never heard of. i'm a fan of math but some people are saying that it's 8 divided by 2 is 4. 2 plus 2 is 4 but you divide 4 by 4. that's not what you do. >> bill: driving you crazy? >> i took one look at it was like that's easy. i wish it was on my sat test. i would have done better. there are two ways of handling the parentheses which i was not aware of. no, here is the thing.

i plugged it into an excel spreadsheet and got an error message. when i put it in like this. excel tells you, you have to put the multiplier between. >> sandra: as long as you can show your work. >> bill: i didn't cheat with a calculator. >> bill: fox news alert waiting an update on ways to reduce violent crime in baltimore. the district attorney talking about that. the governor is larry hogan. his first national tv interview since the blowup over baltimore is here in "america's newsroom." you'll see him coming up next hour.

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>> sandra: fox news alert and new reaction to the stunning revelations about former f.b.i. director jim comey and what agents found when they searched his home after he was fired. welcome back to "america's newsroom," i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer, good morning. new documents revealing the f.b.i. retrieved several memos including a secret memo that comey drafted the night before the agents arrived. now we're learning the i.g.'s office is going through them to see if any improperly contained classified information. former congressman jason chaffetz explained it on "america's newsroom" this way earlier. >> i had a one-on-one conversation with him. we talked directly about that. he explained to me you cannot summarize classified information, put it in your own handwriting and hold onto it personally. that's why he was pursuing hillary clinton.

but it appears he did the very same thing himself. >> bill: congressman devin nunes, ranking member of the house intel committee weighs in in a moment. first chief white house correspondent john roberts begins a new hour from the north lawn there. good morning. >> good morning. this wasn't so much a search as a prearranged interview handing over of evidence according to documents obtained under the freedom of information act by judicial watch. let's walk you through it. the documents show a month after he was fired on june 7, 2017, f.b.i. agents went to former f.b.i. director james comey's house to interview him and retrieve evidence including memos he had written on february 4, march 30 and april 11 believed to be memos he wrote to memorialize conversation he had with president trump. those memos were previously known and discussed at length in comey's appearance before congress. what's new is the memo he wrote the night before the f.b.i. came to his home. he knew they were coming dated last night at 6:30 p.m.

it would have put the date he wrote it june 6. according to the documents the memo was february 4 was two pages long. april 11 one page and then the memo from june 6 was four pages long. comey also told f.b.i. investigators that there were two other memos about his conversations with the president that he could no longer find. those memos were possibly about a phone conversation that comey had the w the president elect between january 17, and inauguration day and possibly about a conversation he had with the president on the way to an f.b.i. leadership conference march 7. he described that call as all business but is not certain whether he memorialized the conversation or not. the department of justice inspector general is investigating whether comey improperly shared classified information with a professor at columbia university which was then shared with the press. in the memo dated march 30th the second page was labeled

secret. no foreign. no foreign access to that sort of information. according to the documents, though, comey told f.b.i. agents that page had been mislabeled and should have simply read unclassified for official use only. some of that information may have involved the genesis of the russia investigation and the use of the fisa court to begin surveillance of trump campaign officials. last night on hannity the senate judiciary committee chairman lindsey graham addressed that. listen here. >> so if there was an abuse of the fisa process, if there was a misleading of the court by the f.b.i. director, that is a monumental crime and i would focus on that if that's what happened. >> the inspector general's report is due in september. the department of justice also has a separate ongoing investigation regarding the genesis of the mueller investigation. so bill, we're going to have an awful lot to unpack after the august recess. >> bill: wow, thank you, john. nice to see you today.

john roberts from the white house. >> sandra: for more on this let's bring in california congressman devin nunes ranking member of the house intelligence committee. how big of a deal is this? >> well, this revelation of a new memo is something that i haven't heard of yet. the way that i look at this is that he gave some to one of his lawyers that was the professor, another one to former d.o.j. lawyer fitzgerald, and now there is this other memo and then as john roberts was saying, i had not heard about these other possible memos. there is going to be a lot to look at i think over the coming months. the i.g. report is critical. but i would say most critical in all of this is going to be the u.s. attorney out of the connecticut, mr. durham's investigation. that comes with real f.b.i. agents able to go talk to people no longer working at the department of justice or f.b.i. and i think would constitute a real investigation.

>> sandra: jason chaffetz joined us earlier and the irony of these revelations and how important they are. here he is. >> there were code names and the real names of people that were informants for the f.b.i. you can't just take that information and put it into your own personal -- have it personally. you just can't do that. how ironic. that was the allegation against hillary clinton. there was classified information in a non-classified setting. >> sandra: now we know the inspector general is going through them to see if they contained improperly any classified information. >> the whole idea that you can take something that is marked secret, no foreign and then just decide on your own to take that out of the scif, out of a controlled area and not handled properly and take to someone's house, university or wherever these memos went to. you just can't do that. so what hillary clinton did is

she had a server in her house with classified information on it. that's illegal. the same is true for a document. if you -- especially if you purposely take a document. one thing if you accidentally walk out with it. but to walk out with something marked secret, no foreign. people have been busted for way less than that, i will tell you for sure. rank and file military intelligence people would never get away with what mr. comey so far is getting away with. >> sandra: judicial watch was talking about what a big deal this is and makes the point president trump's rights were violated. watch this. >> this is a pretty big deal. now we know for the first time the f.b.i. was investigating the creation and handling of these memos and a month after he is fired they show up at his house, they're interviewing him and i have these memos, do you want them? come on, guys, the f.b.i., let these records walk out the door, a violation of president

trump's rights. >> sandra: he doesn't tell them he is leaking them he went on to say. >> right. and look, this is why the report -- if the reports are true about having to send a spill team, a spill team would only be sent to collect this classified information. i want to reiterate this point. you cannot take classified documents out of any controlled space and put them somewhere and store them in an uncontrolled space. it is no different than the hillary clinton issue. so look, this is bigger than just these memos. remember, those memos were leaked by comey's own admission to spur a special counsel, the appointment of bob mueller. just that alone and of itself ought to get americans to sit back and think wait a second here. you have a guy writing his own memos that are classified and taking them to places and leaking them on purpose to get a special counsel. and that's why this has been such a travesty and why you saw

last week with mr. mueller's performance it was such a joke and that's why there has to be a real investigation on what actually happened and how this -- what are the origins of not only the russia investigation but how on earth we were able to get a fisa warrant. >> sandra: put it in perspective for us as we finish up here. where ultimately do you think it leads us? where does it go? what happens next with all this? >> so durham is the key. if we can get durham -- if durham can get all of the information and then begin to conduct interviews. i understand that he is beginning to do that. then the key i think to watch will be does he convene a grand jury. if he does, i think then this will get much more serious. and then we'll be able to see if anybody is held accountable. i think at a minimum what the american people can expect is we will finally understand what spurred this entire investigation going back all

the way to 2016. there are still all these unanswered questions about who were these cast of foreign characters that were interacting with the trump campaign? there is so much more to be learned about that. >> sandra: we'll see. thank you. >> bill: baltimore. the u.s. attorney holding a news conference announcing the results of ongoing efforts to quote, reduce violent crime in baltimore. there are recent indictments. if you take what he is announcing nou. i want to drop in for a moment given the attention baltimore has had this week. >> operating in the area of frederic and collins street in southwest baltimore. today is the first public announcement of this investigation's takedown as well. in addition to drug charges, the lead defendant faces numerous federal gun charges. during this investigation, law enforcement seized five guns and 400 grams of fentanyl.

if convicted mr. ali faces a mandatory minimum of 10 years in federal prison and up to life in federal prison. co-defendants face up to 20 to 40 years in federal prison. the third investigation resulted in two separate federal indictments charging a total of 38 defendants for allegedly participating in two separate drug trafficking organizations to sell heroin, fentanyl, powder and crack cocaine around theed mondayton village neighborhood of southwest baltimore. 16 of the 38 were charged several weeks ago on july 3. the defendants in this case used homes in and around baltimore to process, cut and package the drugs for sale. and these defendants like the defendants in the other cases we're talking about today possessed guns. members of one of the drug

trafficking organizations distributed heroin, fentanyl, crack cocaine in maryland, virginia, west virginia and pennsylvania. these defendants allegedly cut the heroin and crack that they sold with other substances like fentanyl and at least five overdose deaths are attributed to the distribution of drugs by members of this conspiracy. members of the other trafficking -- >> bill: it is stunning to hear the information about drugs. we'll keep a close eye on it. battling crime in baltimore given the back and forth between the president and congressman elijah cummings. maryland republican governor larry hogan hasn't done a tv interview yet. his first one is here in 20 minutes. since the feud began governor hogan will weigh in for the first time. his take on the fight coming up. >> so important we stop this, this madness. we have some threats, but it is

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here to talk about it is general jack keane, chairman at the institute for the study of war and strategic analyst. thank you for being here this morning. what can you tell us about what we know about the death of bin laden's son. >> we're likely protecting sources as to why we're not revealing what the circumstances are surrounding it. we aren't discussing when this happened. i'm convinced the united states played some kind of role here because we're the most focused country on the al qaeda threat given what happened in our own country as a result of their attack. it's reported it may have happened in the afghan, pakistan area where the youngster was moving back and forth. so i don't think we'll get those details until later. but i think we can make some judgments about what does that mean. this was the future face of al qaeda in terms of the

30-year-old son of it's iconic leader who we happened to kill. i think that probably would impact recruiting which they were using him quite a bit for and brand a little bit. operationally it's insignificant. the al qaeda movement around the world will go on and won't miss a beat. how do we know that? when we killed osama bin laden it didn't impact the organization operationally, either. that's the reality we're dealing with. we have to remind our viewers while these leaders gain a lot of prominence, this movement has always been about its ideas. it is an ideology and people are attracted to the movement because of the ideology and therefore it lives beyond the death of their leaders. >> sandra: is it fair to say his death would have little or no impact on the future of this terror group? >> i think it does impact the recruiting. because if he proved himself

operationally in terms of his leadership capability, that's still an unknown. i think they were looking to him as one of the future faces of the organization because the current leadership is quite elderly by comparison to where they want to be 20 years from now. so yeah, that's where there is some impact. >> sandra: lastly we haven't gotten a response yet from the president himself after he was asked about the reports of osama bin laden's son's death. he said i don't want to comment on that. thank you very much. the state department in february offered a million dollar reward for information leading to bin laden's son but we haven't heard from the trump administration yet on this. do you expect we will? >> i think we may hear more information on it when they decide how to protect their sources and methods. on the al qaeda social network there is some reporting that he

is dead. but normally this organization, when any one of its leaders is killed, obviously even by their enemies they always report it themselves as they did with the death of osama bin laden and then they celebrate the martyrdom that represents and they use that for the movement to move on in terms of that person's sacrifice. that has not happened. so we'll wait and see. >> sandra: on the afghanistan troop withdrawal. initially by fall of 2020. now mike pompeo saying there is no deadline but he says that the president is still committed to getting troops out of afghanistan as soon as possible. here is mike pompeo. the president has been direct about his expectations that we'll reduce our operational footprint on the ground in afghanistan as quickly as we can get there. i hope they are out not only before the next election but before we land today, said mike pompeo. so he says they got it wrong.

where do you see this troop withdrawal happening or when based on what you're hearing? >> well, i think it's sort of an open secret the president wants the troops out of afghanistan before the election. and that has created momentum towards a peace negotiation. so we have a team put together led by state department's personal envoy who is negotiating with the taliban to withdraw our troops based on the condition that the taliban would insure and provide a guarantee to the united states that al qaeda or isis safe haven would not occur in afghanistan as it did with the al qaeda that caused the death of so many americans. most of us who have working familiarity with afghanistan and know the players are skeptical of a promise made by the taliban to do something like that. no reason to trust them

certainly. we also have some concerns that when you put in motion an energy about getting out. we have to get out. we have to get out. the momentum that creates leads you to maybe a deal about withdrawal as opposed to a deal about a permanent peace. >> sandra: general jack keane always good to catch up with you. thank you. >> bill: the impeachment push against the president coming up in last night's debate from detroit. >> i think it's obvious at this point in our history the president has committed the crimes worthy of impeachment. the best impeachment is beating him in the election of 2020. >> bill: other democrats calling for the proceedings against the president. how party leadership is reacting. u.n. security council set to meet over the latest move from north korea. the trump team pushing for restarting the nuclear talks with chairman kim regime. >> that's a promise that kim jong-un made to the president and it is part of the basis on which the president still has optimism we could negotiate

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>> bill: u.n. security council meeting today to address north korea's latest missile test over the past week. greg palkot is on the story live in london to bring us up the date. >> a bit of a war of words going on right now about what exactly north korea is up to. now along with a fresh set of images which north korean state media released allegedly showing chairman kim jong-un looking on. pyongyang is now calling the test yesterday of a large-scale, high-caliber, multiple-launch guided system. according to north korean media

as well it would be distressing for any opponents that includes much of south korea in range of these rockets as well as u.s. military bases there. words do matter. wednesday's launches were said to be similar to tests last week of short-range ballistic missiles which north korea launched. it is banned by the u.n. security council to test ballistic missiles and promised to the u.s. it wouldn't test long-range ballistic missiles. so if you are going to believe pyongyang while offensive their activity this week do not run exactly counter to the spirit of the ongoing dialogue between president trump and chairman kim in their meeting the end of june. the promise of a restart of specific denuclearization talks not in sight. at a security conference in bangkok, thailand, here is what secretary of state pompeo said. >> we stand ready to continue

our talks with north korea. we're ready to go. >> the secretary's north korean counterpart, the foreign minister from pyongyang, did not show up at this conference. no word on when special envoy would meet with his counterpart from north korea. as you know, however, there will be discussions today at the u.n. security council. >> bill: greg palkot live in london. >> sandra: fox news alert on the continuing feud between president trump and congressman elijah cummings. moments if now the governor of maryland gary hogan will join us live in studio and weigh in on the controversy, his first national tv interview since it erupted. here is the former maryland governor. >> it's been the same. we've had a lack of political leadership, a lack of radical new ideas. try something new. we can't do worse. this is the couple who wanted to get away

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>> bill: 11:30 in new york. fox news alert. the u.s. attorney in maryland announcing the results of efforts to reduce vie leapt crime in baltimore. you heard that a moment ago. this news coming amid a feud between president trump and congressman elijah cummings from the baltimore district. with me now since the first television interview the maryland governor larry hogan. is your health good? >> doing great. >> bill: you look good. you and i first met four years ago during the baltimore riots. in listen to that attorney a few minutes ago the list of drugs that he laid out for us was stunning. >> staggering. >> bill: why does it continue? >> this is a problem that's facing urban areas across american fueled by the opioid and fentanyl crisis. i want to congratulate the u.s. attorney on the announcement he just made. it's a small part of a larger

effort. i want to give credit to the administration working together with us. we brought together 26 federal and state law enforcement agencies and sent in 500 additional police officers into baltimore city to back up the beleaguered city police force and made 2,000 arrests including taking 260 of the most violent repeat offenders off the streets of baltimore but it is just a start. we have serious problems in baltimore. >> bill: to that problem you know the blowup over the past week and took exception to the president's words. has he, even though you disagree with the way he put it out there, has he helped to bring attention to the problems in baltimore? >> that could be the silver lining. i took exception with, i didn't think the kind of angry attacks on twitter were appropriate. i happen to believe we ought to focus on the problems and the solutions which is what we're doing today with the u.s. attorney and the administration. i think it's good that we're paying attention to the problems in baltimore and i

would like everybody from the president aened the administration and congress to work with us at the state level and with the folks in baltimore city to see what we can do to work together and continue to work together. >> bill: you are the head politician in the state. yesterday the former governor was with us and he really had a call-out for a lack of leadership and what he said on that. watch here. >> they passed a bill in the legislature, they beat us. they were satisfied with the dysfunctional public schools. they even had a press conference to brag about beating the republican governor. we told him he is not going to come in here and help these schools. we'll project our dysfunctional schools and protect dysfunctional students. >> bill: you hear his passion there and you have to ask yourself who is looking out for these people? >> i know i am and bob was when he was governor. i agree with a lot of that

sentiment. we've invested more into schools and helping with crime-fighting. i have come the blight in baltimore. we've torn down 4,000 blighted buildings, the state has come in to scrape them out of there. it has a lot to do with crime and leaning up these neighborhoods but i had tough legislation we put into the legislature for tougher sentences for repeat violent offenders to get them off the streets. we keep arresting them. the city and police force and feds and state keep arresting these folks but it's a revolving door of catch and release and they keep going back on the streets. >> bill: that's a policy that has to change? >> the legislature refused the take the bill up two years in a row i've been pushing for tough sentences for repeat offenders and they say no. >> bill: you are a republican. did you see dan henninger this morning? the number of towns ruled by democrats for more than 50

years. he says mr. trump brought up the subject of baltimore. now he should put it -- these are the cities on his campaign agenda. the left scream racism. everyone else in america knows the reality is deeper than that, end quote. >> i think the reality is deeper. we've failed in our urban areas across the country. baltimore is a perfect example of that and leadership has failed for decades and decades. you don't have to do a lot of research to find out the corruption we've had in baltimore city in the mayors repeatedly who failed to get the job done and been involved in corruption and not stopping the crime problem. failures in the school system. but instead of just focusing on the bad stuff and just attacking it, let's figure out how to fix it. >> bill: do you think elijah cummings has done a good job? >> i don't think you can put all the blame of baltimore city on elijah cummings but i think

he could do a lot more to help us. everything we've been trying to do at the state level. i would love to have more help from the white house and from the congress frankly to help the state go in there and help the city. it's a city problem but they can't do it by themselves. >> bill: some of the murder rates per 100,000 people. baltimore at 55. that leads detroit, memphis, chicago, and philadelphia. financial situation, 2018, $16 billion given to the city of baltimore by the federal government. it was $7 billion 10 years prior. poverty level 22% compared to a national level of 12%. i mentioned elijah cummings as part of the conversation. the video tweeted yesterday from 1999. >> this morning i left my community of baltimore, a drug-infested area where a lot of the drugs we're talking about today have already taken the lives of so many children.

the same children that i watched years ago as they grew up now walking around like zombies. >> bill: that is 20 years ago. the words weren't the same but the hypocrisy here. i think everyone would agree that baltimore city has got tremendous problems and as bad or worse than any city in america. and it's great we're finally focused on some of these things. i would take exception. i think we could make more progress without the exact wording that was used. it wasn't exactly the same. nobody will argue that baltimore city has tremendous problems and we have to figure out how to fix it. city leadership hasn't been able to do that and it will take help from elijah cummings, his colleagues in congress, folks in the administration and the white house and from us at the state level. the city can't handle it.

>> bill: you called last tweet outrageous and are you still thinking about challenging the president? is that off the table? >> i never gave it a lot of consideration. people were encouraging me to consider it. i never started an exploratory campaign and took any aggressive steps in that direction. friday i just became the chairman of the nation's governors. in that role i really am going to try to focus on the folks out in the states across the country getting things done and maybe help get our folks in congress and washington to show them hey, we can get things done and i have to work in a bipartisan way. i represent all governors republican and democrats. >> bill: how do you work with the president on this? >> i have a good working relationship. the announcement with the u.s. attorney was a perfect example. we have had a couple years of great working on things from 26 federal and state law enforcement agencies working

together in the city of baltimore. we've worked with almost every major administration, every department in the administration on lots of problems. we got a huge grant approved for the howard street tunnel in baltimore to create thousands of jobs and we worked with the administration on that. while i may disagree with the tone of the discussion, because whether i think it may not be helpful and we could say things differently, we're going to work very closely and try to get things done together. >> bill: do you like this new job? >> it will be a lot more work but i'll give it everything i've got. >> bill: stay healthy. larry hogan from the state of maryland. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> i'm confident it is not exactly the legislation i would have written. if one party held the white house, house and had 60 votes in the senate. that's what we have in government. but i am confident it's a deal

that my colleagues should support when we vote on it in the near future. >> sandra: we're awaiting a senate vote on a two-year budget deal raising the debt ceiling and increasing spending by more than $300 billion. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. what are we learning now? >> good morning. ahead of votes in the senate president trump is selling it on twitter writing budget deal is phenomenal for our great military. our vets and jobs, jobs, jobs. two-year deal gets us past the election. go for it, republicans. there is plenty of time to cut. senate majority leader is also on board. >> we need to address the debt limit. secure the full faith and credit of the united states. we need to continue to secure the funding that our national defense demands. fortunately the pending legislation will accomplish precisely that. >> the agreement was hammered out by speaker nancy pelosi and

treasury secretary mnuchin. it will allow the government to borrow money freely for two years. kentucky senator rand paul says it's a disaster. >> today is the final nail in the coffin. the tea party is no more. the budget deal today allows unlimited borrowing for nearly . democrats are needed to get this across the finish line. >> look, it's a good first step. obviously we hope that president trump doesn't do what he did last time which is intercede in a way that caused the government shutdown. but i think even our republican friends realize that the shutdown was so damaging to them and the president they'll do everything they can to avoid it. >> assuming it passes sometime in the next hour you can expect senators to head for the exits quickly for their summer recess. >> sandra: should be getting an update on that shortly. >> bill: you heard it last

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sol wisenberg is former independent counsel. good morning to you. what advice do you have for democrats seriously considering this? >> learn the law for openers. they are just wrong. they are profoundly wrong about the law. if we talk about the criminal law of obstruction of justice there is only one of the 10 acts mentioned by bob mueller that comes close to being something a prosecutor would actually charge and that's when the president allegedly asked don mcgahn to create a document saying that the president had never asked him to fire mueller. that's the only thing that would even be considered. so it's a major fraud being perpetrated by the democrats. unfortunately by many people who should know better in the media. >> sandra: what we have heard from democratic leadership nancy pelosi says that it's on the table as long as there is sound evidence to move forward

with this. what do democrats have at their disposal now as far as evidence to move forward with impeachment of the president? >> well, all they have is the mueller report and the 10 incidences. what they seem to not want to talk about is something called the clear statement rule. that is based on supreme court case law going back to 1992. and what it says is that if you have a congressional statute that does not on its face apply to the president, you cannot apply it to the president if to do so would interfere with his article 2 constitutional powers. over half of the incidents mentioned by mueller, if you applied obstruction, would interfere with president trump's powers. he has the right to fire the f.b.i. director and he has the right to attempt to remove or close down any investigation to attempt to remove bob mueller. if you take those away, that's

over half of the alleged incidents right there. by the way, there is no case that i'm aware of -- forget about being president for a minute. i'm unaware of any case in the obstruction of justice where a person or indicted or convicted for firing somebody he had the right to fire. this is amazing it is mentioned. historically the most famous incident of a presidential firing when richard nixon fired archibald fox. we knew it. cox wanted the tapes and the tapes proved nixon was guilty. nobody back then suggested that that was criminal obstruction of justice. because everybody knew that nixon had the right to fire cox. now it might have been enough for impeachment. we talk about whether or not

something is a crime and that's what the democrats are doing. they're trying to say any prosecutor would prosecute these cases if he wasn't president. and it's both not true largely and it is irrelevant because he is president and that goes into the equation. >> sandra: really interesting. lindsey graham went on with our own sean hannity last night talking about robert mueller and the goal of the investigation. he made the case that mueller tried to scare people into ratting on trump but it didn't work. ken starr was on earlier reacting to that and had a warning about the perils of overcharging. what more would you add to that? >> it's a job of a prosecutor to try to get -- to try to get people to rat on higher ups, so i don't have any particular problem with that. but keep in mind and i think fox viewers know this. i defended robert mueller's

right to conduct this investigation for months and defended him against attacks by the president and the president's surrogates. but i think the obstruction portion of his report is very weak, and profoundly dishonest. i'm very disappointed. like andy mccarthy said. it was all about impeachment from the beginning. it was the political document. >> sandra: graham said it will fall apart. always great to talk to you. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> bill: brand-new here, former president obama's former chief of staff rahm emanuel speaking to our sister network fox business in a rare interview reacting to the debate from last night. some of the hits that were directed at the obama administration. what he is saying coming up in a moment and we'll play it for you after this. here's otezla.

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>> bill: mentioned this a moment ago. the former chicago mayor, the former president obama chief of staff rahm emanuel now reacting sounding off on the criticism of his former boss by a number of candidates last night on the stage and to a lesser effect the night before. the comments coming in an interview that airs tomorrow night on fox business journal. here is what he said about lags night. >> there was also shots taken at president barack obama, the most popular democrat in the country because joe biden was his vice president. it struck me as odd. the guy hit 90 some odd percent among democrats. the most successful prolific president with an incredible chief of staff since the great society. what are they doing?

every element of progress from literally wilson and teddy roosevelt to franklin roosevelt to the great society and forward builds on the progress of generations before for generations to come. this is nuts. >> bill: rahm emanuel saying that tomorrow night. what do you make of that? >> sandra: interesting stuff. it became a big headline out of the debates and certainly last night. >> bill: a lot of people watching how did president obama fall so quickly out of favor with so many democrats in policy? no you have biden trying to defend everything they did for eight years and you've got another debate in september. so you are going to have to wait five or six weeks to figure out what the next strategy is. i thought biden did better than the first time around. kamala harris was less effective than the first time around. >> sandra: "politico" agrees with that. >> bill: i think this story is

interesting. you are talking so much about the pull to the left. about how many people went after joe biden/barack obama last night and threw them under the bus. >> sandra: we'll tune in for the next round of debates for sure. the senate voting right now on a bipartisan budget deal to increase spending and raise the debt ceiling. president trump is on board. some fiscal conservatives are not. we'll bring you the results from the senate floor. stay with us. we'll be right back.

>> sandra: from the newsroom vault, on this day in 1996, just for you, william hammer. george rr martin published the first novel in his "a song of ice and fire" series. "a "game of thrones"." hbo would go on to adapt the book and its equals to the massive popular "game of thrones" tv show. the series just wrapped after

eight seasons. bill hemmer loved it. i didn't even watch it! >> bill: i loved it! it's okay! >> sandra: hate is a strong word. to do what during today. join us again tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> kennedy: the fox news alert, tensions going on capitol hill as we await a final vote in the senate on a controversial budget deal. conservative senators pushing back against the plan that is backed by president trump, and house speaker nancy pelosi create odd bedfellows. this is "outnumbered." welcome to it. i'm kennedy, and here today we have fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. fox & friends coanchor, jillian mele. joining us on the couch, former white house press secretary under president george w. bush, and a fox news contributor, ari fleischer is here.