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he's still the commander of isis. so i don't quite agree that he's not somebody who is not in direct control of the organization. you know, he does. he commands a lot of authority from the rank and file not just by the way in syria and iraq. but, remember, isis has fanned out throughout the world and, you know, the thing that i would emphasize to your viewers is the deadliest attack, the deadliest foreign jihadist attack that isis planned and perpetrated was executed after the collapse of the so-called caliphate, after t they lost their, you know, putdtiput putative-state building enterprise. that was the sri lanka attack. so isis still very much has a loyal following not just in syria and iraq but around the world. baghdadi was a lightning rod. he was somebody able to galvanize, to convince people that this was still a struggle worth joining. his death, i think, is actually a little more significant than just, well, you know, they'll find somebody to fill this role. no. they will, and if they're smart as an organizat
he's still the commander of isis. so i don't quite agree that he's not somebody who is not in direct control of the organization. you know, he does. he commands a lot of authority from the rank and file not just by the way in syria and iraq. but, remember, isis has fanned out throughout the world and, you know, the thing that i would emphasize to your viewers is the deadliest attack, the deadliest foreign jihadist attack that isis planned and perpetrated was executed after the collapse of the...
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targeted isis last night. abu bakr al-baghdadi was chased to the end of the tunnel before detonated. donald trump says this should send a message to other tourists. terrorists. terrorists who murdered other people should not sleep sound li ly knowing that we'll completely destroy them. they'll not escape the final judgment of god. baghdadi, the losers, the losers they are, they had no idea what they are getting into. in some cases they were very frighten puppies and other cases they were hard-core killers. >> joining me now is hans nichols. i want to reset what we heard. senator lindsey graham is unprecedented. take us through from some of your take away so far. >> we heard a lot of tactical and operational details on the overall strategy and his view of what the middle east is going to look like from this day forward. they blend together there and you see the language the president was using. he describes these defeated terrorists as dogs. it was clear he want to insult them now that they have been eliminated
targeted isis last night. abu bakr al-baghdadi was chased to the end of the tunnel before detonated. donald trump says this should send a message to other tourists. terrorists. terrorists who murdered other people should not sleep sound li ly knowing that we'll completely destroy them. they'll not escape the final judgment of god. baghdadi, the losers, the losers they are, they had no idea what they are getting into. in some cases they were very frighten puppies and other cases they were...
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he was not on the ground in their final isis root out, the final isis hold out, a little town of bagus. there were exit fighters who as they were being captured, as they were being brought away to detention camps, separated from their families, were put into other detention facilities. we personally heard -- i personally heard from isis members and supporters that they were angry with the leadership, that they were angry with baghdadi. where had he been? why had they escaped? why had they not helped them more? so he was trying to rebuild his group now in the really recent chaos that has been caused by president trump's somewhat impulsive troop decision movements. but he, he was losing the hero status that he had once had when he was declaring his own caliphate. when he stood in -- and he did this physically when he stood in mosul and declared himself to be the leader of all muslims. that was his peak. he was -- he was in charge of an organization that was spreading and that was attracting recruits from around the world. and now, again, he apparently was targeted and killed. he was a fu
he was not on the ground in their final isis root out, the final isis hold out, a little town of bagus. there were exit fighters who as they were being captured, as they were being brought away to detention camps, separated from their families, were put into other detention facilities. we personally heard -- i personally heard from isis members and supporters that they were angry with the leadership, that they were angry with baghdadi. where had he been? why had they escaped? why had they not...
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isis lives on. i know you talked to isis fighters. you looked into what happened next as an institution. help us understand that. there is this fear, as i understand it, legitimate fear there have been prison breaks. they are back on the battlefield. how worried should national security experts be about that? >> this really is a product of having on-the-ground information. when you talk to folks who have been living this war the last five years, both on the u.s. side and the syrian side, they will say to you it's that partnership between the u.s. and the u.s.-backed forces on the ground, in communities that really allowed them to back isis into a corner and finally force them earlier this year to give up their territorial hold on syria. now you have this moment where everybody is saying, okay, what's the next chapter? because it is much easier to kill a terrorist than it is to kill an ideology. the islamic state has a hold on both people's huge fears in the region and some people who continue to believe the caliphate will rise again w
isis lives on. i know you talked to isis fighters. you looked into what happened next as an institution. help us understand that. there is this fear, as i understand it, legitimate fear there have been prison breaks. they are back on the battlefield. how worried should national security experts be about that? >> this really is a product of having on-the-ground information. when you talk to folks who have been living this war the last five years, both on the u.s. side and the syrian side,...
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it should be about stopping isis. isis is still very much alive in that region. and the fact we pulled away from that region and the kurds are pretty much abandoned which kept isis in check puts that region and kurds in peril. hundreds of isis members were freed from one of the jails when the kurds have to go back as a result of us pulling out of that region. i think this should be about defeating isis, and it shouldn't be about scoring points. if anybody should get the credit, it's the men and women that lead the operation. i'm upset it becomes an argument about who did better, whether osama bin laden or baghdadi was a better kill. that's what it sounded like this morning when i heard the president speak about that. >> there's no doubt we give the president credit and certainly those that led the operation. at the same time, as you mentioned over 100 isis people were released. should there be a re-evaluation of the deal the president made with the president of turkey to move the kurds out of that region of syria when they apparently were abandoned by the united
it should be about stopping isis. isis is still very much alive in that region. and the fact we pulled away from that region and the kurds are pretty much abandoned which kept isis in check puts that region and kurds in peril. hundreds of isis members were freed from one of the jails when the kurds have to go back as a result of us pulling out of that region. i think this should be about defeating isis, and it shouldn't be about scoring points. if anybody should get the credit, it's the men and...
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russia hates isis as much as the united states does. iran hates isis. we are fighting a war for russia. we are fighting a war for iran. you look at syria, they hate isis. were killi we are killing isis. we are 7,000 miles away. we are killing isis. russia is much closer. iran is right there and turkey is right there. turkey is a little less so but the others are very much. russia had a plane blown up by isis. russia wants nothing to do with isis. russia is tough, they can kill isis as well if they happen to be in their neighborhood. all i am saying is this, i am not going to lose thousands of tens of thousands of american soldiers fighting a war between turkey and syria. syria is not our friend. assad is not our friend. >> mr. president, you said you withdrew 28 troops. >> they say it was 28. >> we thought it was 50 but it was 26 to 28 troops. listen. all accounted for. nobody injured or nobody missing. >> look at what's happening since those troops were drawn. >> you know what happens? no american soldiers were killed and other people will go in. proba
russia hates isis as much as the united states does. iran hates isis. we are fighting a war for russia. we are fighting a war for iran. you look at syria, they hate isis. were killi we are killing isis. we are 7,000 miles away. we are killing isis. russia is much closer. iran is right there and turkey is right there. turkey is a little less so but the others are very much. russia had a plane blown up by isis. russia wants nothing to do with isis. russia is tough, they can kill isis as well if...
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on the last part, captured isis prisoners are secured, we know that dozens of isis fighters were able to escape their detention facilities. that's based on our reporters' accounts on the ground. we know the defense secretary, mark esper traveling in the region overnight said as many as 100 isis fighters had escaped. we'll be watching closely to see if president trump gives any specifics about what he means when he says that they are secured. is he, in fact, confident that all of them are secured. in terms of the kurds there is no sign that they are safe and secure. in fact, again, going back to the reports of those on the ground, signify a fair amount of unrest in the region and essentially the fact that it is a deteriorating situation. we know all of this comes in the wake of turkey and russia striking a deal to essentially man that area together. russia stepping in with the president announcing that u.s. soldiers are going to withdraw. big question marks around whether there will be a small group of forces that stays there to help police the area. so the big question is will preside
on the last part, captured isis prisoners are secured, we know that dozens of isis fighters were able to escape their detention facilities. that's based on our reporters' accounts on the ground. we know the defense secretary, mark esper traveling in the region overnight said as many as 100 isis fighters had escaped. we'll be watching closely to see if president trump gives any specifics about what he means when he says that they are secured. is he, in fact, confident that all of them are...
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let's -- let's start with -- with isis. isis is first and last in ideology. so we're under no illusions that it's going to go away just because we killed baghdadi. it will remain. suspected the highest levels, will be a little disrupted. it will take them some time to reestablish someone to lead the organization. and during that period of time, their actions may be a little bit disjointed. they will be dangerous. we suspect they will try some form of retribution attack and will -- and we are postured and prepared to -- and we're postured and prepared for that. but -- but we should recognize that, again, since it's an ideology, you're never going to be able to completely stamp it out. and, in fact, our definition of long-term success against isis and another entities like isis is not the complete absence of that ideology but rather its existence at a level where local security forces, wherever in the world it exists, can deal with it. there's no international connective tissue. there's no ability to attack our homeland and local forces perhaps with training an
let's -- let's start with -- with isis. isis is first and last in ideology. so we're under no illusions that it's going to go away just because we killed baghdadi. it will remain. suspected the highest levels, will be a little disrupted. it will take them some time to reestablish someone to lead the organization. and during that period of time, their actions may be a little bit disjointed. they will be dangerous. we suspect they will try some form of retribution attack and will -- and we are...
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isis capital, raqqa. syria says ito feels threatene by advances made by syria's kurd. there's already deep seeded hostility between the government and population. in 1984, the kurdistana's work party, the pkk, which calls for kurdish aton autonomy, began an arms struggle that continues to this day. in the past 35 years, more than 40,000 people have been kill nd that struggle. now turkey considers ypg forces in syria to be an extension of the pkk in turkey, which it has declared to be a terrorist organization. in the meantime, syrian kurdish forces are holding more than 10,000 isis fighters, including 2,000 foreigners, in several prisons. angel is worry a new -- in syria could lead to a security vacuum that allows those prisoners to escape. they also control a camp home to more than 70,000 people. mostly the wives and children of isis fighters. joining me now to have a closer look at this, a foreign correspondent for the "new york times" who covers islamices extremism including isis and at the national sec
isis capital, raqqa. syria says ito feels threatene by advances made by syria's kurd. there's already deep seeded hostility between the government and population. in 1984, the kurdistana's work party, the pkk, which calls for kurdish aton autonomy, began an arms struggle that continues to this day. in the past 35 years, more than 40,000 people have been kill nd that struggle. now turkey considers ypg forces in syria to be an extension of the pkk in turkey, which it has declared to be a...
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isis among other things. last week i was in brussels for the nato defense. i spoke with our allies and called on other nations who had much at stakes to offer their support to help mitigate the ongoing security crisis. turkey continues to bear speedometers responsibilities. a number of allies offered to help along the syria/turkey border. the united states remains focused on your core motion and continue to work closely as we implement the next phase of the campaign. baghdadi's death will not rid the world of terrorism or the ongoing conflicts of syria. it sends a question those who caused terrorists who think they could hide. the united states more than any other nation in the world possesses the power and the will to hunt until the ends of the earth of those who wish harm upon the american people. saturday's operation is one example of the great skills of the united states of our military. >> good afternoon everyone. as secretary has stated our special operation forces under commander control of united stat
isis among other things. last week i was in brussels for the nato defense. i spoke with our allies and called on other nations who had much at stakes to offer their support to help mitigate the ongoing security crisis. turkey continues to bear speedometers responsibilities. a number of allies offered to help along the syria/turkey border. the united states remains focused on your core motion and continue to work closely as we implement the next phase of the campaign. baghdadi's death will not...
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wiping out the so-called isis caliphate. the kurds are the primary reason why isis no longer holds territory. and they are now being killed by a nato ally with at least some u.s.-made made weaponry. here's president trump on why we are abandoning the kurds. >> kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand, they're fighting for their land. and as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn't help us with the second world war or normandy, as an example. >> they didn't help us with n m norman normandy, why are we talking about normandy. the highlighted countries are those who did not storm the beaches of normandy. a handful help with sea and air protection or help behind the lines. the president's choice of words, according to him, none of the countries you see highlighted in yellow deserve any american loyalty because they weren't involved in normandy. it's just historicedly a stupid reference to make. >> joining us, a photojournalist live inside northern syria. joining us by phone. thank you f
wiping out the so-called isis caliphate. the kurds are the primary reason why isis no longer holds territory. and they are now being killed by a nato ally with at least some u.s.-made made weaponry. here's president trump on why we are abandoning the kurds. >> kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand, they're fighting for their land. and as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn't help us with the second world war or normandy, as an example....
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, isis lost control of all major strongholds. and most of any territory it controlled. joining me, matt bradley in iraq. despite the fact isis has been out of the scenario awhile, the new offensive by turkey into syria into kurdish controlled syria resulted in civilian fatalities and military fatalities. >> reporter: yes, ali, we're only seeing the beginning here. you have to remember that the actual incursion started more than 24 hours ago. but we're actually the ground incursion with soldiers going in on the ground, that's kind of new, only hours old. we've already seen 23 civilians who have been killed, according to an information center, providing pretty reliable information so far. they say there are 23 injuries. and they're not shy about tweeting the photos. also said that the refugee situation, that could really grow. we're starting to hear talk of whole cities along the border with turkey that are all but abandoned, and major hospitals and major cities on the border have been basically abandoned, no longer operational. if
, isis lost control of all major strongholds. and most of any territory it controlled. joining me, matt bradley in iraq. despite the fact isis has been out of the scenario awhile, the new offensive by turkey into syria into kurdish controlled syria resulted in civilian fatalities and military fatalities. >> reporter: yes, ali, we're only seeing the beginning here. you have to remember that the actual incursion started more than 24 hours ago. but we're actually the ground incursion with...
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he once had an isis state he called it the caliphate. >> that isis state was destroyed. it was destroyed over the last five years by the very same u.s. special operations forces that carried out this raid and by their kurdish partners, who have lost 11,000 people in this fight. as the isis caliphate was losing territory and shrinking in size and then it was ultimately defeated in the spring, there was one area left in syria where islamic radicals still controlled. it was an area right on the turkish border and right in that area where he was captured in idlib province and a lot of people here say there are still many other isis leaders after baghdadi. and this operation is continuing. just in the last few hours, the kurds have announced that because of this operation they have been following on and that they just launched an operation and successfully killed the isis spokesman. so once you start to pull the string on this sweater, it starts to unravel quickly. so hitting the compound of the isis leader and then immediately trying to follow on with operations is key and t
he once had an isis state he called it the caliphate. >> that isis state was destroyed. it was destroyed over the last five years by the very same u.s. special operations forces that carried out this raid and by their kurdish partners, who have lost 11,000 people in this fight. as the isis caliphate was losing territory and shrinking in size and then it was ultimately defeated in the spring, there was one area left in syria where islamic radicals still controlled. it was an area right on...
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he built the isis caliphate. you hear about isis. that was him. it was once the physical size of the state of ohio and had seven million people and it was growing big, big, big. and they had a problem. it started about 2 1/2 years ago. and during my administration, i, we, all together destroyed the caliphate 100%. remember, i got it down to 97% and i said, all right, let's go home. then those people started saying 100%. you know, before me they didn't care, but now they say what about 100%. we met some great generals. i learned a lot about generals. i met some good ones and i saw some bad ones, some that didn't have what it takes and others that had more than anyone would have thought. it was supposed to take a year, maybe even two years. i said to one of them, how long will it take? i think we can do it in one week, sir. he was a little more like you. but we have now tens of thousands of isis prisoners under tight supervision, and now we want the countries in the region to police their own borders. we don't want to be the policemen in this case o
he built the isis caliphate. you hear about isis. that was him. it was once the physical size of the state of ohio and had seven million people and it was growing big, big, big. and they had a problem. it started about 2 1/2 years ago. and during my administration, i, we, all together destroyed the caliphate 100%. remember, i got it down to 97% and i said, all right, let's go home. then those people started saying 100%. you know, before me they didn't care, but now they say what about 100%. we...
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his removal does not end isis. isis will remain. they have tens of thousands of fighters on the ground in iraq and syria. our withdrawal from syria makes it very difficult to actually consolidate the gains are this big success. i think that's unfortunate. we have to stay at it. it's very important to stay at it. the loss is significant and we should take a moment to reflect on the victims of isis and the men and women who made this happen tonight. >> and in a piece you wrote for "the washington post," you wrote our abrupt pullout from syria will make it harder to act on this information, information gleaned from the raid. unpack that argument for us. >> you know, these operations don't just happen. i saw your first segment with craig warren saying it's not a movie. it's not a movie. they happen through really years of painstaking work and developing relationships and developing networks, developing information. and that happens from having people on the ground. when we develop this campaign -- it was developed under president obama
his removal does not end isis. isis will remain. they have tens of thousands of fighters on the ground in iraq and syria. our withdrawal from syria makes it very difficult to actually consolidate the gains are this big success. i think that's unfortunate. we have to stay at it. it's very important to stay at it. the loss is significant and we should take a moment to reflect on the victims of isis and the men and women who made this happen tonight. >> and in a piece you wrote for "the...
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he's emboldened isis. he's ruined our credibility in the middle east and destroyed the morale of our troops. i'm seeing images of our soldiers retreating from their partners in northern syria, having stuff thrown at them. i know what that feels like. it's a terrible thing for a soldier to go through. the president obviously would not understand that. >> i want to play what the president said in his cabinet meeting yesterday about our one-time allies in syria, the kurds, who died alongside our troops to contain isis. take a listen. >> where is an agreement that said we have to stay in the middle east for the rest of humanity, for the rest of civilization to protect the kurds? as you know, most of the isis fighters that we captured, we, we, not obama, we, we captured them, me, our country captured them, working with others including the kurds. we helped them. don't forget. we helped the kurds. everyone said the kurds helped us. that's true. we helped the kurds. they're no angels but we helped the kurds. >> w
he's emboldened isis. he's ruined our credibility in the middle east and destroyed the morale of our troops. i'm seeing images of our soldiers retreating from their partners in northern syria, having stuff thrown at them. i know what that feels like. it's a terrible thing for a soldier to go through. the president obviously would not understand that. >> i want to play what the president said in his cabinet meeting yesterday about our one-time allies in syria, the kurds, who died alongside...
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. >> isis is a death cult. it's a death cult. >> we are the victorious group. >> now the caliphate is destroyed. their leader has sworn to fight on in a global jihad, promising to bring the fight to the west. so is the islamic state really dead? join me as i trace the rise and fall of isis. >>> i've covered isis from the beginning. as the militant army rolled through much of iraq and syria, conquering a vast territory and establishing its caliphate. but by the spring of 2019, the tables had turned. isis was losing. i came back to witness the end. only a few thousand of the most hard-core militants were left. they were surrounded in a little syrian town called bagouz. >> translator: this is as far as we can go. it's very dangerous. >> he's a field commander in a force made up predominantly by ethnic kurds, a key ally in the fight against isis. >> they don't look like they're ready to surrender. he's saying the ones who are in here, they're prepared to die. the united states and the kurds had a joint war plan, a
. >> isis is a death cult. it's a death cult. >> we are the victorious group. >> now the caliphate is destroyed. their leader has sworn to fight on in a global jihad, promising to bring the fight to the west. so is the islamic state really dead? join me as i trace the rise and fall of isis. >>> i've covered isis from the beginning. as the militant army rolled through much of iraq and syria, conquering a vast territory and establishing its caliphate. but by the spring...
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in the fight to beat isis. syrian democratic forces tweeted "there is a huge panic among people of the region." erdogan announced the beginning of the military assault against the kurds after days of tanks and military personnel on the board. >> the assault comes three days after president trump surprisingly agreed to move u.s. troops out of northern syria near turkey border. the international committee to prevent what could become a humanitarian disaster. joining us now, our msnbc correspondent matt bradley and our richard engel in istanbul. matt, what's the latest on the ground of where you are? >> the latest we are hearing stephanie, the last couple of hours are the first casualties that comes out and expected to be a bruising battle between the u.s. allies. syrian forces are populated by kurdish fighters. they came out and said there has been two dead and two wounded. the other big news we are seeing ises the beg is the beginning of what looks like civilians fleeing. erdogan is trying to establish on the fr
in the fight to beat isis. syrian democratic forces tweeted "there is a huge panic among people of the region." erdogan announced the beginning of the military assault against the kurds after days of tanks and military personnel on the board. >> the assault comes three days after president trump surprisingly agreed to move u.s. troops out of northern syria near turkey border. the international committee to prevent what could become a humanitarian disaster. joining us now, our...
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with isis. and we don't know exactly how many troops and what the military says what flavor of troops they will be. the presence there has been largely the more elite special operations, special forces but we may see more conventional forces. so more artillery and what not with this new movement. >> there was conflicting reports yesterday as to the reasons in which al baghdadi was where he was when he was subsequently killed. richard engel was reporting yesterday it was possibly because he was trying to flee to but we are also hearing reports from the president who basically said he thought that baghdadi was there to try and rebuild isis. and not a necessarily friendly area to either isis or to baghdadi. what more are you learning about that? >> reporter: yes, so there have been a bunch of conflicting reports on that. u.s. officials are not really clearing that up for us. the two that have sort of emerged as the main theories on this are number one, what president trump said, that actually baghd
with isis. and we don't know exactly how many troops and what the military says what flavor of troops they will be. the presence there has been largely the more elite special operations, special forces but we may see more conventional forces. so more artillery and what not with this new movement. >> there was conflicting reports yesterday as to the reasons in which al baghdadi was where he was when he was subsequently killed. richard engel was reporting yesterday it was possibly because...
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because isis said we're a caliphate. in order to be a caliph, you need to be from koresh and an arab. koresh, the tribe of the prophet. the number two now that is supposedly going to be fit, you know, the position or fill the position of the caliph he's a turkman so it will be difficult for them to stay true to their brand and promote a leader that can be trusted by the rank and file. al qaeda did not have this problem. al qaeda had a lot of leaders who were there from before and continued to be there today. that's why i think there's a big possibility that al qaeda will do a play in order to get some of these isis members back into the fold of al qaeda. >> you make it so much clearer. thank you. former fbi counterterrorism special group. and author of "anatomy of terror." as the speech -- impeachment inquiry moves forward, one trying to steer clear of conflict is zelenskiy. nbc news spoke to zelenskiy and asked for his thoughts on the unraveling situation in the united states. >> president zelenskiy, do you have any com
because isis said we're a caliphate. in order to be a caliph, you need to be from koresh and an arab. koresh, the tribe of the prophet. the number two now that is supposedly going to be fit, you know, the position or fill the position of the caliph he's a turkman so it will be difficult for them to stay true to their brand and promote a leader that can be trusted by the rank and file. al qaeda did not have this problem. al qaeda had a lot of leaders who were there from before and continued to...
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isis will literally come back. first off and foremost, forget anything that you hear from the administration. this administration lies about everything that they're saying right now, everything that they're saying is a lie. within the structure of the middle east geopolitical framework, okay, isis was held and was obliterated by the kurdish forces who came south with our special forces. they kicked in the doors. they were the ones who lost 11,000 dead men and women fighting and defeating isis. they surrounded the last stronghold and took all of them prisoner or are holding all of their families in these compounds. but there's one thing that didn't happen, we never caught isis' leader, abu bakr al baghdadi. he is still out there and these people have a place in which to rally around, forces in which they will be able to attack and take weapons from, and also, it will give them the ability to appear that they are invincible, that isis cannot be defeated. that's why they did the suicide bombing in raqqah, the capital.
isis will literally come back. first off and foremost, forget anything that you hear from the administration. this administration lies about everything that they're saying right now, everything that they're saying is a lie. within the structure of the middle east geopolitical framework, okay, isis was held and was obliterated by the kurdish forces who came south with our special forces. they kicked in the doors. they were the ones who lost 11,000 dead men and women fighting and defeating isis....
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he is the founder of isis. he's a founding father. >> so i said, the founder of isis. obviously, i was being sarcastic. then, then -- but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you. >> president trump frequently blamed president obama for the rise and formation of isis. nbc news now being told by an intel official in this country that this new turkish military campaign will serve to, quote, vastly increase the threat to americans from the islamic state militant group which remains intent on attacking the west. with us tonight, to talk about all of it, ben rhodes, former national security adviser to president obama. why do we have those concentric hallways at the pentagon, with people walking briskly with stars on their shoulders, the hard-rimmed glasses crowd walking just as briskly with their briefcases, ncs in the west wing? if all that rigor and expertise can be cast aside by one guy over the phone that has now done this to a u.s. ally and, as richard engel said tonight the map of the middle east is being redrawn on the fly. >> that's precisely the question, brian. p
he is the founder of isis. he's a founding father. >> so i said, the founder of isis. obviously, i was being sarcastic. then, then -- but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you. >> president trump frequently blamed president obama for the rise and formation of isis. nbc news now being told by an intel official in this country that this new turkish military campaign will serve to, quote, vastly increase the threat to americans from the islamic state militant group which remains...
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>>> he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis, okay? he's the founder. >> you mentioned president obama being the founder of isis. what did you mean by that? and hillary clinton, the co-founder. >> exactly that. he's the founder of isis. he's the founder. he's a founding father. so i said "the founder of isis." obviously i'm being sarcastic. then -- but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. >> president trump frequently blamed president obama for the rise and formation of isis. nbc news now being told by an intel official in this country that this new turkish military campaign will serve to, quote, vastly increase the threat to americans from the islamic state militant group which remains intent on attacking the west. with us tonight to talk about all of it, ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for president obama. ben, thank you very much for coming on. why do we have those concentric layers of hallways at the pentagon full of people walking briskly with stars on their shoulders? why all the hallways at the state dep
>>> he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis, okay? he's the founder. >> you mentioned president obama being the founder of isis. what did you mean by that? and hillary clinton, the co-founder. >> exactly that. he's the founder of isis. he's the founder. he's a founding father. so i said "the founder of isis." obviously i'm being sarcastic. then -- but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. >> president trump frequently blamed president obama...
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eye isis fighters and their families? what of the local population and vulnerable kurds as turkey assaulting this syrian border territory? what happens if these prisoners go free? >> just to go back in time a bit. when isis surged into iraq in 2014, a big part of that was jailbreaks. they've done this before. they are certainly planning again to see if they can get their prisoners out. if they do, they will join the existing isis cells in syria that are still a problem and that until three days ago kurdish forces were continuing to fight. they will also try to get to europe. there's still a refugee crisis. the mike grant flows from turkey to syria is still a route they can take. >> in your new book you write shadow the nations and isis the war for the caliphate. you quite about the refugee crisis in syria. what is your assessment of the current situation in terms of what has to happen for isis to become a floebl threat again? we think of those attacks that took place in paris, the theater and elsewhere. a lot of that link
eye isis fighters and their families? what of the local population and vulnerable kurds as turkey assaulting this syrian border territory? what happens if these prisoners go free? >> just to go back in time a bit. when isis surged into iraq in 2014, a big part of that was jailbreaks. they've done this before. they are certainly planning again to see if they can get their prisoners out. if they do, they will join the existing isis cells in syria that are still a problem and that until...
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if this was a safe house that was some kind of an isis leader or former isis leader, there is the potential that there were things there that isis would want to have so the u.s. could come in and destroy the place and then it would deny isis that ability to get those whatever it was that the u.s. military wasn't able to exploit at the site at the time. whether that's files or computers or whatever it is. so we're still waiting to learn a lot about this. how many u.s. troops were involved? we know there were some delta but were there other special operators involved in these kinds of things, we know how these raids tend to go, usually it's a number of helicopters, they come in, they drop green berets who create a perimeter around the site, who create -- make a safe area so that the operators who go in and actually take out the site often coming down in helicopters, often repelling, so the helicopters don't even touch ground and then they go in and we do know that a fire fight ensued, but it's not 100% clear what happened and whether -- how it was that this individual who is believed to be ba
if this was a safe house that was some kind of an isis leader or former isis leader, there is the potential that there were things there that isis would want to have so the u.s. could come in and destroy the place and then it would deny isis that ability to get those whatever it was that the u.s. military wasn't able to exploit at the site at the time. whether that's files or computers or whatever it is. so we're still waiting to learn a lot about this. how many u.s. troops were involved? we...
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analysts believed they had found the isis leader. the cia had been honing in the intelligence for weeks. the man believed to be baghdadi was under u.s. surveillance and his movements were being tracked. the american commandos had been staging in the region since last month. some of them were launched from the iraqis kurdish city of erbil. there was no hostile force nearby given that trump had receivedacquiescence. >> this was not the first attempt to get the isis leader. two or three launches has been canceled because baghdadi changed his mind about where he was headed. the u.s. either had a human source in baghdadi's entourage or was monitoring his communications. trump and his team watched a video feed with a definition that the president said was as clear and detailed as one might see in a mall cineplex. u.s. aircraft flew low and fast for about an hour and ten minutes over air space controlled by turkey and russia as trump explained it, eight helicopters were met with gunfire as they approached the compound and returned fire to n
analysts believed they had found the isis leader. the cia had been honing in the intelligence for weeks. the man believed to be baghdadi was under u.s. surveillance and his movements were being tracked. the american commandos had been staging in the region since last month. some of them were launched from the iraqis kurdish city of erbil. there was no hostile force nearby given that trump had receivedacquiescence. >> this was not the first attempt to get the isis leader. two or three...
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isis is not -- has not gone and isis is not dead. in fact, isis sadly and tragically will survive to fight another day. the killing of abu bak r al-baghdadi creates a hard blow to isis. isis now is off balance. it will take isis a while to gain, regain, its equilibrium, but it's very resilient. it has already mu tated into an insurgency. lieutenants, regional lieutenants are in charge of their own theaters of operations in syria and iraq and afghanistan in libya. it's a very potent ideology. just in syria and iraq, we u.s. mate there are more than 10,000 active isis combatants. and isis has been preparing for this day for more than two years. it has contingency plans, even though it has not advertised some of the key figures who will likely replace abu bakr al-baghdadi, you'll see in the next few days and next few days a new will be appointed and the fight will go on. the final point is the killing of abu bakr al-baghdadi important as it is will not repair the damage to trump syria policy, what he has done in the past few weeks. the
isis is not -- has not gone and isis is not dead. in fact, isis sadly and tragically will survive to fight another day. the killing of abu bak r al-baghdadi creates a hard blow to isis. isis now is off balance. it will take isis a while to gain, regain, its equilibrium, but it's very resilient. it has already mu tated into an insurgency. lieutenants, regional lieutenants are in charge of their own theaters of operations in syria and iraq and afghanistan in libya. it's a very potent ideology....
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this is a victory for isis, victory for iran and russia. for our troops it's an absolute betrayal by their own president. >> as you know, president trump defending his decision to pull forces out of the area. this is part of what the president said on wednesday. take a listen. >> the kurds are fighting for their land, so you understand. as someone wrote in a powerful article, they didn't help us in the second world war, they didn't help us with nofr mandy as an example. in addition to that, we have spent tremendous amounts of money on helping the kurds in terms of ammunition, in terms of weapons, in terms of money, in terms of pay. with all of that being said, we like the kurds. >> we like the kurds, paul rykoff. your reaction to what we heard from the president? >> it doesn't look like it. the president knows as much about normandy as he does about vietnam. he didn't go to vietnam. he has president been on the ground overseas like our troops had. if he did, maybe he'd understand what this means. this will damage not just our troops on the
this is a victory for isis, victory for iran and russia. for our troops it's an absolute betrayal by their own president. >> as you know, president trump defending his decision to pull forces out of the area. this is part of what the president said on wednesday. take a listen. >> the kurds are fighting for their land, so you understand. as someone wrote in a powerful article, they didn't help us in the second world war, they didn't help us with nofr mandy as an example. in addition...
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assad has been a magnet for isis. the counter-isis operations are no longer taking place with the u.s. and the kurds. what does this all adds up to? this adds up to the fact that isis has been relieved of all the pressure it was under, a significant number of isis fighters have escaped, and right now we no longer have the people there who are keeping a lid on this problem, which is the u.s. special forces working with the kurds. so in addition to eviscerating u.s. credibility he's also reignited the threat to the united states. this is a catastrophic outcome that he's trying to spin. let's be very clear, his spin is filled with lies. isis fighters did escape. he's not getting the u.s. out of this region, he's actually added thousands of u.s. troops to the region in recent weeks and months with a recent deployment to saudi arabia. it's trying to spin his way out of fact that he made a decision to allow turkey to green light this operation that has put american national security at extreme danger. >> john mclaughlin, wh
assad has been a magnet for isis. the counter-isis operations are no longer taking place with the u.s. and the kurds. what does this all adds up to? this adds up to the fact that isis has been relieved of all the pressure it was under, a significant number of isis fighters have escaped, and right now we no longer have the people there who are keeping a lid on this problem, which is the u.s. special forces working with the kurds. so in addition to eviscerating u.s. credibility he's also...
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in defeating isis. now the kurdish-led syrian democratic forces or sdf says it is being forced to abandon areas where some of the 10,000 isis prisoners were being held. joining me now is bill neely live in irbil, iraq. bill, in the most recent development that kurdish forces are asking or seeking help and protection from the syrian government in damascus backed by russia. walk us through the significance of that development and why it's such a departure. >> the developments over the last 24 hours are stunning. just think two days ago kurdish fighters were still in the field with american special forces. now under the agreement with damascus, they are being merged into the syrian fifth corps under russian control. so the russians are literally moving into the space vacated by the americans. the american counterterroism operation in northern syria is now no more. president assad has made more campaigns in one day than he has made in the last three years. just within the last hour i've been getting reports
in defeating isis. now the kurdish-led syrian democratic forces or sdf says it is being forced to abandon areas where some of the 10,000 isis prisoners were being held. joining me now is bill neely live in irbil, iraq. bill, in the most recent development that kurdish forces are asking or seeking help and protection from the syrian government in damascus backed by russia. walk us through the significance of that development and why it's such a departure. >> the developments over the last...
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isis was never the threat to them. they have always thought of the kurds as the threat, those who operate inside turkey, about 20% of the population, those on the syrian side, those on the iraqi side, even in iran and armenia, they don't want the kusrds to have power. so this was an obvious outcome of the united states pulling back. >> yeah, we had to know something like that was going to come. turkey has been fighting against kurds for 20, 30 odd years and made no secret of the fact that they thought if a state exists that is controlled by the pkk effectively, the group that has been fighting against the turkish state, then they won't permit to exist forever. and turkey is an ally too. turkey is a member of nato and so we decided that in the short term we would ally with the kurds of syria and eventually we had to know that reckoning was coming and that is what has happened. >> and so bill, when graham says that america said that we'll have your back if you help us out, some people thought that that would mean help in
isis was never the threat to them. they have always thought of the kurds as the threat, those who operate inside turkey, about 20% of the population, those on the syrian side, those on the iraqi side, even in iran and armenia, they don't want the kusrds to have power. so this was an obvious outcome of the united states pulling back. >> yeah, we had to know something like that was going to come. turkey has been fighting against kurds for 20, 30 odd years and made no secret of the fact that...
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and isis fighters, isis munitions, isis explosives were pouring over the syrian border when isis had the califate and planning major attacks in europe and against the united states of america. so isis right now given where this is going is going to reconstitute its networks. it won't be the scope we saw in 2013-2014 but'already happening. and our ability to keep that from happening is unraveling because the force we built of 60,000 syrians and it's not just kurds, it's arabs, christians, many others. 60,000 is now basically fracturing apart as they come under pressure from turkey, from russia, from iran. and the americans are evacuating their bases. so it's a strategic disaster. >> and, brett, have we lost all leverage with turkey? i mean, does turkey even care if they get kicked out of nato? >> they know they're not going to get kicked out of nato because there's no way to kick anybody out of nato. but the fact of the matter is they've bought the russian s 400 system and we threatened sanctions and they weren't sanctioned. >> our nukes set in their country. >> no. it's a big issue.
and isis fighters, isis munitions, isis explosives were pouring over the syrian border when isis had the califate and planning major attacks in europe and against the united states of america. so isis right now given where this is going is going to reconstitute its networks. it won't be the scope we saw in 2013-2014 but'already happening. and our ability to keep that from happening is unraveling because the force we built of 60,000 syrians and it's not just kurds, it's arabs, christians, many...
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so isis not over. this is just a remarkably capable blow to defending the american people. >> the president having said that al baghdadi was under surveillance for quite some time, and this is what the defense secretary mark esper had to say about this today. >> is the stars started to line up some time ago and in the past week or so, the operational forces which were one of several options available to the president started rehearsing and practicing and doing what they would have to do on the objective. it is not until thursday and then friday, the president chose his option, and gave us the greenlight to proceed as we did yesterday. >> do you have a sense of the timing here in whether this was a now or never type of decision? >> not really. i think that what we ought to underscore is that the cia in particular, but backed up by nsa and the other u.s. intelligence agencies maintains continuous persistent surveillance of all of the threat thos ts to the am people, and in particular isis in the al nusra
so isis not over. this is just a remarkably capable blow to defending the american people. >> the president having said that al baghdadi was under surveillance for quite some time, and this is what the defense secretary mark esper had to say about this today. >> is the stars started to line up some time ago and in the past week or so, the operational forces which were one of several options available to the president started rehearsing and practicing and doing what they would have...
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forces in some of the toughest battles against isis in her hometown kobani, in the isis capital, raqqah, where she was injured. this is what happened to her. a turkish-backed militia took her prisoner and then posted it online, laughing as they call her a pig. shouting "slit her throat." this is how isis operated, bragging about its abuses. her family tonight confirmed it's her in the video and that they've lost contact with her since she went to the front lines last weekend. her uncle told us, we fought against isis for the world. now the world has turned its back on us. >> our thanks to richard engel for that. that's what this conflict is all about. with us for more tonight is tom nico nick nick nicoles. he's an expert in this area, author of over half a dozen books. usual reminder, when tom is on the broadcast, the opinions he expresses are his own. tom, having pointed that out, first of all, subsection question, how many troops ballpark do we have the middle east? why does the president keep saying he's bringing the troops home? >> well, between the middle east and central asia, we
forces in some of the toughest battles against isis in her hometown kobani, in the isis capital, raqqah, where she was injured. this is what happened to her. a turkish-backed militia took her prisoner and then posted it online, laughing as they call her a pig. shouting "slit her throat." this is how isis operated, bragging about its abuses. her family tonight confirmed it's her in the video and that they've lost contact with her since she went to the front lines last weekend. her...
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. >> isis is not defeated, my friend. the biggest lie being told by the administration, that isis is defeated. the caliphate destroyed, but there are thousands of fighters -- >> does this -- >> -- this impulsive decision by the president has undone all the gains we have made, thrown the region into further chaos, iran is licking their chops. if i'm an isis fighter, i've got a second lease on life. so to those who think isis has been defeated you will soon see. this to me is just unnerving to its core. >> lindsay graham wasn't alone. five other republican senators have spoken out calling the decision, quote, a grave mistake and saying it poses a significant threat. senators mitt romney and chris mu murphy writing in a statement, quote, barring a reversal of this decision the administration must come before the senate foreign relations committee and explain to the american people how betraying an ally and seating influence to terrorists and adversaries is not disastrous. former special presidential envoy for the global coal
. >> isis is not defeated, my friend. the biggest lie being told by the administration, that isis is defeated. the caliphate destroyed, but there are thousands of fighters -- >> does this -- >> -- this impulsive decision by the president has undone all the gains we have made, thrown the region into further chaos, iran is licking their chops. if i'm an isis fighter, i've got a second lease on life. so to those who think isis has been defeated you will soon see. this to me is...
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has taken direct responsibility for isis prisoners in the region. president trump tweeted about it saying quote saying, the united states has taken the two isis militants tied to the beheadings of those known as the beatles out of a secure location, they are the worst of the worst. president trump released a statement saying the u.s. does not endorse the attack and has made it clear to turkey that this operation is a bad idea. but that contradicts this statement, from a senior adviser, to turkish president erdogan. >> president trump and president erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is. >> and here is how president trump defended his decision to abandon the kurds. >> the kurds are fighting for their land. just so you understand. they're fighting for their land. and as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the second world war, they didn't help us with normandy, as an example. and in addition to that, we have spent tremendous amounts of money, on helping the kurds, in terms
has taken direct responsibility for isis prisoners in the region. president trump tweeted about it saying quote saying, the united states has taken the two isis militants tied to the beheadings of those known as the beatles out of a secure location, they are the worst of the worst. president trump released a statement saying the u.s. does not endorse the attack and has made it clear to turkey that this operation is a bad idea. but that contradicts this statement, from a senior adviser, to...
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they lost their caliphate, what is isis today? >> that is a great question, we killed these two leaders, this is a al qaeda stronghold. they said that finding al baghdadi where we found him is is like finding derek jeter in south boston. how well are they doing? >> but you made an interesting point. isis and al qaeda were at each other's throats. followers of each one pledges allegiance to different ones. if you're a terrorist you pledge allegiance to someone. with osama bin laden long gone, al baghdadi gone, do they talk about reconciliation and forming another group. >> i'm not the kind of deep expert that others are, but i think it is offense they you could have a folding on size back into al qaeda. isis's whole point was bring the caliphate about here and now. it is perhaps generations from now. isis having gone out there trying to establish a caliphate, maybe that is not their adheren adherence. member they need to merge back into that group. >> the pentagon is expected to release new video of the raid that killed al baghdadi
they lost their caliphate, what is isis today? >> that is a great question, we killed these two leaders, this is a al qaeda stronghold. they said that finding al baghdadi where we found him is is like finding derek jeter in south boston. how well are they doing? >> but you made an interesting point. isis and al qaeda were at each other's throats. followers of each one pledges allegiance to different ones. if you're a terrorist you pledge allegiance to someone. with osama bin laden...
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they were fighting isis, you know, they hated isis, so they were fighting isis. where is an agreement that said we have to stay in the middle east for the rest of humanity, for the rest of civilization to protect the kurds. never said that. and we have protected them. we've taken very good care of them. we helped them, don't forget. we helped the kurds. everyone said the kurds helped us. that's true. we helped the kurds. they're no angels but we helped the kurds. we never gave the kurds a commitment that we'd stay for the next 400 years and protect them. they've been fighting with the turks for 300 years that people know of, nobody ever committed if you do this, we're going to do that. we're going to stay with you forever. >> meanwhile, the trump administration's brokered pause in the turkish assault is set to end today. there have been report of intermittent fighting during that five-day pause which president trump said made all sides incredibly happy including the kurds. residents of one kurdish city pelted the retreating u.s. troops with potatoes. others held
they were fighting isis, you know, they hated isis, so they were fighting isis. where is an agreement that said we have to stay in the middle east for the rest of humanity, for the rest of civilization to protect the kurds. never said that. and we have protected them. we've taken very good care of them. we helped them, don't forget. we helped the kurds. everyone said the kurds helped us. that's true. we helped the kurds. they're no angels but we helped the kurds. we never gave the kurds a...
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let's talk about what it means for isis. how big a deal is this? the context in which i asked you about this is when osama bin laden was killed, everybody in the world knew osama bin laden's name. abu bakr al-baghdadi is a different character. everybody in the world knew isis but you did not know about him in the same way. >> this very big deal and the fact they got this close to somebody who not only help him move around or find a house and apparently in the construction of some of those tunnels and helped him take members of his family to go out and collect medicines. a man like baghdadi does not give that kind of trust to anyone. it would have to be somebody within the inner circle. the fact that the u.s. with the help of the syrian kurds were able to penetrate that close, it makes every terrorist leaders in the world and look around his people and think, wait a minute. >> when you recall whether it is isis or al-qaida, it is never much. it is a few hundred bucks a week. the reports are. informants may receive $24 million. that's way more money
let's talk about what it means for isis. how big a deal is this? the context in which i asked you about this is when osama bin laden was killed, everybody in the world knew osama bin laden's name. abu bakr al-baghdadi is a different character. everybody in the world knew isis but you did not know about him in the same way. >> this very big deal and the fact they got this close to somebody who not only help him move around or find a house and apparently in the construction of some of those...
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the rise of isis. iran, aiding and abetting iran, according to republicans and foreign policy experts. aiding and abetting vladimir putin and his expansion of power in the middle east. same with assad. and who is in danger here? our allies the kurds. of course americans are with the rise of isis. that will happen because of this move. and israel. israel has every reason to be absolutely terrified by what's going on here. because with our small contingent of troops, david ignatius, that just gives the iranians that much more freedom, that much more power to expand across syria and build that bridge to israel, that land bridge to israel that they have wanted for a long time. so they could help in every way possible anti-israeli forces like hezbollah. >> this is a policy that makes no strategic sense at all, and will hurt us, i fear, for years to come. i was in beirut, lebanon on thursday and friday. and i talked to every prominent poll siti politician. and they said we pity you. we feel sorry for america
the rise of isis. iran, aiding and abetting iran, according to republicans and foreign policy experts. aiding and abetting vladimir putin and his expansion of power in the middle east. same with assad. and who is in danger here? our allies the kurds. of course americans are with the rise of isis. that will happen because of this move. and israel. israel has every reason to be absolutely terrified by what's going on here. because with our small contingent of troops, david ignatius, that just...
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the kurds feel betrayed by the fact that this anti-isis, defeat isis mission that they've been partnering with and working so valiantly with the united states is for several years now, they feel very betrayed by the fact that the u.s. very quickly pulled out of that mission. will this protecting oil fields partnership salvage some of that or is the u.s. just going to turn around with another quick decision and policy decision and pull all the troops out again, leaving the kurds in the dust? nobody knows what's going to happen. the sense of confusion that i have felt by the u.s. military officials who i've been speaking with in the region is unlike anything i've dealt with in covering the military, richard. >> what are some of the expressions they are saying or giving? >> it's both confusion and it's frustration. i've felt a serious sense of frustrati frustration. in coming here to set up the stories we've been planning to work on, things are changing so quickly, they can't guarantee the stories we're covering that are going to happen or they can support us. i've just, obviously, when you'
the kurds feel betrayed by the fact that this anti-isis, defeat isis mission that they've been partnering with and working so valiantly with the united states is for several years now, they feel very betrayed by the fact that the u.s. very quickly pulled out of that mission. will this protecting oil fields partnership salvage some of that or is the u.s. just going to turn around with another quick decision and policy decision and pull all the troops out again, leaving the kurds in the dust?...
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they took that fight to isis. and when donald trump says we gave them tens of millions of dollars or billions of dollars in equipment and training, we didn't give them that. they fought for us and we enabled them to fight on our behalf. if that is not a smarter way to deal with the terrorists threat, i don't know what is. >> ambassador rice, it's jonathan lemire. congrats on the book. switching gears to ukraine, you obviously worked in the obama administration with vice president biden. i have two questions for you. first, set the record state in terms of the prosecutor who was fired from ukraine and how that came about. but secondly, was the obama administration aware that hunter biden was working in ukraine at the time and was that appropriate? >> that information, think, jonathan, as you know and others have documented was in the public domain at the time. but going back to vice president biden's role, vice president biden was executing declared, clear-cut, transparent u.s. government policy on behalf of the ad
they took that fight to isis. and when donald trump says we gave them tens of millions of dollars or billions of dollars in equipment and training, we didn't give them that. they fought for us and we enabled them to fight on our behalf. if that is not a smarter way to deal with the terrorists threat, i don't know what is. >> ambassador rice, it's jonathan lemire. congrats on the book. switching gears to ukraine, you obviously worked in the obama administration with vice president biden. i...
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isis is seizing this chaotic moment to regroup. hundreds of family members of isis fighters today broke out of a detention camp. amid all this, president trump tweeting the kurds of turkey have been fighting for years. others may want to come in and fight for one side or the other. let them. >> reporter: and tonight facing an assault they cannot stop, kurdish forces called on syria's president, an ally of russia, to deploy along the border. it's the end of kurdish self-rule here, which they earned fighting alongside u.s. forces. a u.s. official told me it's a failure of u.s. values, helps americans adversaries and gives isis a new lease on life. richard engel, nbc news northern syr syria. >>> the "new york times" is reporting that turkish backed syrian arab fighters killed two kurdish prisoners over the weekend. we warn you that the following video may be disturbing for viewers. we have blurred the most graphic portion of it, a video appears to show two turkish backed fighters firing bullets at close range into a man with his hands
isis is seizing this chaotic moment to regroup. hundreds of family members of isis fighters today broke out of a detention camp. amid all this, president trump tweeting the kurds of turkey have been fighting for years. others may want to come in and fight for one side or the other. let them. >> reporter: and tonight facing an assault they cannot stop, kurdish forces called on syria's president, an ally of russia, to deploy along the border. it's the end of kurdish self-rule here, which...
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hearing about isis? because the pentagon's last inspector general report at the end of june was that isis is resurgent, not territorially, but isis fighters were certainly in al hol, the camp being guarded by the syrian kurds. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. you'll frequently here president trump talk about isis being defeated. but when you hear the u.s. military talk about it, they'll always add in that it's the isis caliphate. the reason for that is there are still thousands of isis fighters throughout syria and into iraq. there are still weekly, not quite daily anymore but weakly operations against isis in both countries. so in syria, those are led by the syrian democratic forces. the people who are now under siege, under assault by the turkish military in this incursi incursion. the syrian democratic forces are 60,000 strong, they're majority kurdish, 60 to 70% are syrian kurds, the rest are syrian arabs. i spoke to a commander of those forces on monday. he said, we're disappointed the u.s. has de
hearing about isis? because the pentagon's last inspector general report at the end of june was that isis is resurgent, not territorially, but isis fighters were certainly in al hol, the camp being guarded by the syrian kurds. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. you'll frequently here president trump talk about isis being defeated. but when you hear the u.s. military talk about it, they'll always add in that it's the isis caliphate. the reason for that is there are still thousands of isis...
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general allen, you fought isis. you fought to contain isis, diplomatically and on the ground. what about these thousands of isis prisoners. the president says let them go to europe? >> first, that is a really bad idea under any stretch of the imagination. they are very, very dangerous organization. and for us to flippantly make comments about how they ought to go to europe or anyone else other than where they are, which is detention, it's just not connected to reality. that is the problem that we have. this organization is never going to give up. whether they're in a detention camp, in the battle space organizing, they are a danger. and setting the conditions where they might be released -- setting the conditions where they could ultimately head back to europe, is just a destabilizing violent problem. >> what about moral among the troops. our special forces were along size these kurds and throughout our regions, we know we're abandoning our brother's and sisters in arms. >> i would let them speak for themselves, we're beginning to hear from the soldiers who are ashamed of the
general allen, you fought isis. you fought to contain isis, diplomatically and on the ground. what about these thousands of isis prisoners. the president says let them go to europe? >> first, that is a really bad idea under any stretch of the imagination. they are very, very dangerous organization. and for us to flippantly make comments about how they ought to go to europe or anyone else other than where they are, which is detention, it's just not connected to reality. that is the problem...
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of the nearly 300 american air strikes against isis in
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special operations forces, for four years against isis. we joined them extensively on the front lines. and saw how much elite u.s. military units relied on them to fight the terror group. >> they led it and they paid for it, in blood. >> what kind of partners did you find them to be? >> committed. dedicated. formidable. >> the president's plan is being slammed by many of his allies calling it catastrophic and a grave mistake. republican senator lindsey graham saying it is a stain on america's honor. >> this decision was made with apparently with no consultation or deliberation with military experts and advisers and that's how presidents get themselves into trouble. >> after the backlash, the president tweeting, if turkey does anything that i, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider offlimits, i will totally obliterate and destroy the economy of turkey. but there are now also fears about these detention camps. holding tens of thousands of isis fighters and their families. the kurds say they now have to focus on defending themselves, not
special operations forces, for four years against isis. we joined them extensively on the front lines. and saw how much elite u.s. military units relied on them to fight the terror group. >> they led it and they paid for it, in blood. >> what kind of partners did you find them to be? >> committed. dedicated. formidable. >> the president's plan is being slammed by many of his allies calling it catastrophic and a grave mistake. republican senator lindsey graham saying it...
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forces in america's fight against isis. trump gave the turks the green light they wanted by pulling back u.s. forces following his weekend phone call with erdogan. several republicans are directly criticizing trump. and you don't see that often. republican from wyoming, congresswoman liz cheney, put out a statement that read, in part, quote, president trump's decision to withdraw u.s. forces from northern syria is having sickening and predictable consequences. this action imperils american security and that of our allies. congress must and will act to limit the catastrophic impact of this decision. trump was asked about the decision and the consequences. >> are you concerned that erdogan will try to wipe out the kurds? >> i will wipe out his economy if that happens. >> the kurds helped the u.s. defeat isis, and by allowing this offensive, is it going to be more difficult in future times of need to develop alliances? >> no, it won't be. it won't be at all. alliances are very easy. you know, our alliances have taken advantage
forces in america's fight against isis. trump gave the turks the green light they wanted by pulling back u.s. forces following his weekend phone call with erdogan. several republicans are directly criticizing trump. and you don't see that often. republican from wyoming, congresswoman liz cheney, put out a statement that read, in part, quote, president trump's decision to withdraw u.s. forces from northern syria is having sickening and predictable consequences. this action imperils american...