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involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> giuliani's theory was based on one fact, that biden, as vice president, had used his authority to push for the removal of ukraine's prosecutor general, victor shokin. but giuliani went on to claim that biden got rid of shokin in order to protect his own son, hunter, and the burisma energy company. >> when giuliani says that vice president biden removed shokin to protect his son, hunter biden? is he right? >> it's [ bleep ]. from first word to the last word. >> did people here in ukraine, investigators like yourself, anti-corruption activists, think that shokin was doing a good job that he was effectiv
involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i...
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this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a long time. since may. when the times began reporting about how the president and rudy giuliani were interested in the ukraine, for political reasons. but it really didn't break until we saw this whistle-blower. what i think is so interesting is what we're seeing in this particular moment is just how much faith all of us journalists, included, have in our institutions and what they tell us, because we had all of the evidence, but it took someone raising their hand and saying, listen, this isn't right, for all of us to shift our perspectiv
this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a...
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to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson, both of them. 12 subpoenas issued so far, eight have not been complied to. those include secretary of state mike pompeo and president trump's personally lawyer, rudy giuliani. joining us now, msnbc contributor charlie savage. counselor to the house judiciary committee, attorney michael conway. democratic strategist and form executive director of the new york state democratic party, basil smikle, and noelle nick pour. take your pick of all those coming to the hill to be deposed. who do you think will be the
to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson,...
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ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because donald trump can sometimes be confusing about these things, nowhere in the transcript is that the case. the ukrainian president has subsequently said including again today to one of our reporters that there was no pressure but that -- but if you just read the transcript you would not come away with that conclusion. >> and it doesn't matter. he has no choice but to say because his country is dependent on us, but the abuse of power doesn't have to do with what zelenskiy thought, but it was the abusing of the american power
ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because...
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and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government. that's at least formal approval. and then you have secretary perry with his energy issues and his friends in the energy business. and they're not really sure what's going to happen next. and that's why congress is seeking those documents. >> again, absent an announcement by the cabinet secretary, there were reports of his pending departure right around the time the ukraine story broke. now robert, it occurs to us that robert mueller didn't have this luxury. the luxury of air support on a given charge where people from inside came forward and said yeah, i was there. it was aw
and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government....
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of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop? how crazy is it that while he was calling and asking for dirt to be manufactured on the bidens, he was involved in corrupting -- >> because the bidens were corrupt and the bidens were feeding at the trough of the state resources, and they themselves -- which they weren't doing, by the way, it was never proven. they were trying to lay a claim on the bidens that they themselves were engaging in, which was a corrupt act. they were using the power of the presidency, the power of their constituents, the power possibly of perry's office to
of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop?...
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military support to ukraine was indeed contentioned on ukraine's willingness to
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and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar, sort of anti-plugging the trump rally. >> that is exactly right. >> "hardball" is up right now. >>> flight risks. let's play hardball.
and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar,...
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ambassador to ukraine fired. "the new york times" first reported that federal prosecutors were looking at giuliani. this weekend, trump made a show of standing by his man, first by meeting giuliani for lunch at his virginia golf club, then following that up with a full-throated live via telephone defense of rudy with jeanine pirro on fox. >> he was a great mayor, one of the greatest -- maybe the greatest mayor in the history of new york. he was a fantastic prosecutor. i know nothing about him being under investigation. i stand behind rudy giuliani, absolutely. >> so this week brings brand-new testimony from key witnesses in the house impeachment inquiry. several state department officials are scheduled to appear. every day this week, it's someone new for closed-door depositions. career foreign policy expert fiona hill, who last worked on trump policy in the west wing, wrapped up her closed-door interview earlier this evening after ten long hours with lawmakers. she's the first person from inside the white house t
ambassador to ukraine fired. "the new york times" first reported that federal prosecutors were looking at giuliani. this weekend, trump made a show of standing by his man, first by meeting giuliani for lunch at his virginia golf club, then following that up with a full-throated live via telephone defense of rudy with jeanine pirro on fox. >> he was a great mayor, one of the greatest -- maybe the greatest mayor in the history of new york. he was a fantastic prosecutor. i know...
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we need remind our audience, ukraine is not part of the eu. tell us what is going on with sondland right now. >> reporter: i'd like to get to that, but a quit button on mulvaney as it relates to impeachment. we shouldn't lose sight of this. the reason we are talking about impeachment in the first place is because of that phone call in which democrats say you have the president of the united states making a quid pro quo for military aid to ukraine versus on the other side of the trade deal information about the bidens. what mick mulvaney just said, we are absolutely holding up military aid for the ukranians, but not for that issue, for another set of issues. he essentially admitted that they are trading the military aid for something from ukraine just not that something. you already have the other piece of that puzzle, which is the president of the united states saying publicly that he wants information on the bidens. and mulvaney said not only did we do this in this case, but this is how we operate. he walks extraordinarily close to the edge o
we need remind our audience, ukraine is not part of the eu. tell us what is going on with sondland right now. >> reporter: i'd like to get to that, but a quit button on mulvaney as it relates to impeachment. we shouldn't lose sight of this. the reason we are talking about impeachment in the first place is because of that phone call in which democrats say you have the president of the united states making a quid pro quo for military aid to ukraine versus on the other side of the trade deal...
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in a very major way are going to be running ukraine policy basically looping out the u.s. ambassador to the country. and he just kind of says, like, yeah, that's been reported and that's true. and it seems to be, you know, similar to this admission that there was a quid pro quo on the aid strategy of saying things in public in a kind of nonchalant way and hoping that that is sort of a form of inoculation. now, it's not going to work with house democrats and their impeachment proceedings. but to the extent it's part of the battle for public opinion. you know, maybe they're fwambling that that's an effective strategy. >> matt miller, do you think that there is just, you know, you think about during the russia investigation, one of the things that worked for trump that's kind of akin to what crowley is talking about here is the notion that trump would say no obstruction, no collusion. he got bill barr to say that over and over again. but now you've got him saying no quid pro quo, no quid pro quo, and mulvaney comes out and basically just lays out a quid pro quo even as blatan
in a very major way are going to be running ukraine policy basically looping out the u.s. ambassador to the country. and he just kind of says, like, yeah, that's been reported and that's true. and it seems to be, you know, similar to this admission that there was a quid pro quo on the aid strategy of saying things in public in a kind of nonchalant way and hoping that that is sort of a form of inoculation. now, it's not going to work with house democrats and their impeachment proceedings. but to...
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mike pompeo admitting he was on the ukraine call. we have a special guest, classifies the call for two different presidents and a lot of new attacks. plus, a lot of you reacted to the interview we had with michael moore and some of his provocative statements about 2020. >> joe biden's this year's hillary. joe biden's not going to excite the base to get out there and vote. >> joe biden making news with his own comments. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat." you can never seem to get anywhere. that's why dell technologies created unified workspace, powered by vmware. ♪ a revolutionary solution that lets you deploy, manage, support and secure all your devices from the cloud. so you can stop going in circles, and start moving forward. pain happens. saturdays happen. aleve it. aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong. (engines rev) the only thing better than horsepower... ...is more horsepower. (engines rev) if we were for everyone, we'd be for no one. with dodge power dollars, more
mike pompeo admitting he was on the ukraine call. we have a special guest, classifies the call for two different presidents and a lot of new attacks. plus, a lot of you reacted to the interview we had with michael moore and some of his provocative statements about 2020. >> joe biden's this year's hillary. joe biden's not going to excite the base to get out there and vote. >> joe biden making news with his own comments. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat." you can...
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there is a current ambassador to the ukraine, former ambassador to the ukraine, special envoy to ukraine, there is gordon sondland who is not your typical ambassador and he is the ambassador to the eu involved with president trump. the white house has obviously given a lot of thought to whether or not gordon sondland was going to testify and made a late breaking decision. they didn't say no initially, they said no this morning. what are we supposed to make of this? >> yeah, i mean it was a late breaking decision. sondland had flown to washington from brussels in order to testify. his lawyer put out a statement today saying he is very disappointed he doesn't get to do it. but what we can conclude right now from the white house's decision is that they are making a calculation that we don't know what the out come is, that the house going for an obstruction charge, another arm of impeachment of -- article of prooechlt charg proo on obstruction, they think that is a better calculation. we don't know how that will play out and if there really be another charge of obstruction for impeachment. b
there is a current ambassador to the ukraine, former ambassador to the ukraine, special envoy to ukraine, there is gordon sondland who is not your typical ambassador and he is the ambassador to the eu involved with president trump. the white house has obviously given a lot of thought to whether or not gordon sondland was going to testify and made a late breaking decision. they didn't say no initially, they said no this morning. what are we supposed to make of this? >> yeah, i mean it was...
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ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch's opening statement. as she's deposed in front of members of three house committees, leading the impeachment inquiry. she was ousted by the state department. in that same opening statement, she laid out exactly how she thinks the president personally bothered department officials to remove her without any evidence of any wrongdoing. as her statement reads, finally after being asked by the department in early march to extend my tour until 2020, i was then abruptly told in late april to come back to washington from ukraine, on the next plane. you will understandably want to ask why my posting ended so suddenly. i wanted to learn that to and tried to find out. i met with the deputy secretary of state who informed me of curtailment of my term. he said the president had lost confidence in me, no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. he added there had been a concerted campaign against me and the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018. he also said tha
ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch's opening statement. as she's deposed in front of members of three house committees, leading the impeachment inquiry. she was ousted by the state department. in that same opening statement, she laid out exactly how she thinks the president personally bothered department officials to remove her without any evidence of any wrongdoing. as her statement reads, finally after being asked by the department in early march to extend my tour until 2020, i was then...
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team over in ukraine. rather than me reading cold inmes i haven't seen and information i don't yet know, i know you've had a few minutes to look through them. what kind of material have the democrats released tonight? >> the most important information were text messages from mr. volker that reveal he was in touch with the white house about having ukraine take some kind of investigative action in order to secure a meeting with president trump and perhaps to get that military aid. so you see the transactional nature of these discussions wit volker, with president trump and members of his administration, with the ukrainians, and that's revealed in an explicit way in many of these text messages. >> and now, robert, a tougher question, because it has to deal with the times we're living in.n and it's about the democrats. arguably joe biden and the biden campaign have allowed donald trump to tell his story and their family's story this week, period, end of sentence, end of paragraph. that's been where the biden n
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administration policies on ukraine? >> the trump administration i think has had a pretty sound policy towards ukraine. i think it was very -- there were a lot of continuities with the obama administration. i was in the administration for five years with president obama. in some instances i would say it was better than our policy. for instance, they made the decision to provide lethal assistance to the ukrainian military. there was one problem with that policy. the president himself never seemed to sign up for it. he didn't like this military assistance, if you remember from the republican national convention. he wanted to befriend mr. putin. he didn't really like sanctions. so for years you have had this tension between the administration as a whole and president trump vis-a-vis this policy towards ukraine. now, come to find out, the president went a step further and just decided to usurp the entire policy, the policy that was advancing american national interests and just use it for his personal re-election efforts. i
administration policies on ukraine? >> the trump administration i think has had a pretty sound policy towards ukraine. i think it was very -- there were a lot of continuities with the obama administration. i was in the administration for five years with president obama. in some instances i would say it was better than our policy. for instance, they made the decision to provide lethal assistance to the ukrainian military. there was one problem with that policy. the president himself never...
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but with ukraine now thrust firmly into the middle of a partisan fight in washington, ukraine's prosecutor general just announced last week that it would look at a number of investigations that had been closed under previous administrations, however biden was not specifically mentioned by name. >>> joining us on the set, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. how could this impact, danny, this revelation, how could this revelation impact the impeachment inquiry, or this tick tock leading up to this phone call with the ukrainian president? >> it fleshes out some of the grounds for the impeachment inquiry. but any evidence that there was, as you say, pressure on the ukraine, i did it again, ukraine, long before the phone call of july, tens to show or could show that there was no quid pro quo, there was no this for that in the phone call. no demand, no pressure. but owner, it really doesn't matter under federal law how separate the quid pro quo is, it could be months earlier and a benefit not necessarily received by each of the parties but somebody important to them so traditional notions of qui
but with ukraine now thrust firmly into the middle of a partisan fight in washington, ukraine's prosecutor general just announced last week that it would look at a number of investigations that had been closed under previous administrations, however biden was not specifically mentioned by name. >>> joining us on the set, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. how could this impact, danny, this revelation, how could this revelation impact the impeachment inquiry, or this tick tock leading...
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and the president of ukraine, our u.s. ambassador to the e.u., a trump donor and appointee writes, i think potus really wants the deliverable, noting that a meeting without some sort of concession from ukraine would be unlikely. that meeting did not take place. the acting u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor, career diplomat, raised his concerns about that to sondland. he questioned the reasons for the aid. he asked, are we now saying that security assistance and white house meeting are conditioned on investigations? for more, we welcome to the broadcast p.j. crowley serving as stand secretary for public affairs and spokesman there under then secretary of state hillary clinton, also happens to be the author of "red line." thank you ever so much for coming. on you know the phrase, if you see something, say something. have you been on that trip, would you have said something? >> of course. what we have here is among other things a process failure. you talk about the process to peter at the beginning of the show. national s
and the president of ukraine, our u.s. ambassador to the e.u., a trump donor and appointee writes, i think potus really wants the deliverable, noting that a meeting without some sort of concession from ukraine would be unlikely. that meeting did not take place. the acting u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor, career diplomat, raised his concerns about that to sondland. he questioned the reasons for the aid. he asked, are we now saying that security assistance and white house meeting are...
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probe ambassador bill taylor today was back at work in ukraine. nbc was actually there reporting he got quite the quote rock star reception and also featured the ukrainian president, that's the same leader on the receiving end of pressure from the trump administration. nbc's ana sheckter asked president zelensky all about it. >> did you feel any pressure from president trump? >> and i have no answers about -- there's no more answers. i've said already, no, that's it. thank you very much. >> no more answers but thank you for asking the question. zelensky clearly not interested in talking about it in that form in that way, which itself suggests there may still be issues between these two countries in what has become an open foreign policy cries. and also led to what we're going to track for you coming thursday which is the coming floor vote. i'll see you back here tonight 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >>> star witness. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. powerful new testimony from an
probe ambassador bill taylor today was back at work in ukraine. nbc was actually there reporting he got quite the quote rock star reception and also featured the ukrainian president, that's the same leader on the receiving end of pressure from the trump administration. nbc's ana sheckter asked president zelensky all about it. >> did you feel any pressure from president trump? >> and i have no answers about -- there's no more answers. i've said already, no, that's it. thank you very...
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ambassador to ukraine. moments ago, speaker nancy pelosi had this to say about sondland suddenly not testifying on capitol hill today. >> this is very serious for our country and must be treated with respect and solemnly, somberly, again, we have to conduct how we go forward to be worthy of the constitution that we are trying to protect from the abuses of this president of the united states. >> joining me from capitol hill, msnbc's garrett hague, and from the white house, nbc's hans nichols. this is hard to follow, we're going to do it as orderly as we can. hans, let's start with you. now we have new information from rudy giuliani. >> reporter: the president's personal attorney is indicating he is not going to appear before congress without a fight. he is not totally ruling out the idea that he would testify before either a house committee or whatever lindsey graham is offering, but he is saying that he can't be compelled to testify because of attorney/client privilege. what giuliani is doing, he is suggest
ambassador to ukraine. moments ago, speaker nancy pelosi had this to say about sondland suddenly not testifying on capitol hill today. >> this is very serious for our country and must be treated with respect and solemnly, somberly, again, we have to conduct how we go forward to be worthy of the constitution that we are trying to protect from the abuses of this president of the united states. >> joining me from capitol hill, msnbc's garrett hague, and from the white house, nbc's hans...
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to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday. the 23rd, acting assistant secretary of european of european affairs, and office of management and budget associate director for national security programs, michael duffey. those two were set to be deposed. thursday, another double header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper, whose testimony was postponed from friday along with director of european affairs, alexander vindman. on friday october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev, and the top russia adviser, timothy minnesota. 12 subpoenas have been issued as part of the inquiry so far. eight haven't been complied to, including mike pompeo and president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. joining us now, msnbc contributor and washington correspondent for "the new york times," charlie savage, counselor to the white house judiciary committee during the nixon impeachment inquiry, michael conway, director of the new york state democratic party, basil smikle. who do you th
to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday. the 23rd, acting assistant secretary of european of european affairs, and office of management and budget associate director for national security programs, michael duffey. those two were set to be deposed. thursday, another double header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper, whose testimony was postponed from friday along with director of european affairs, alexander vindman. on friday october 25th, foreign service...
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and so the security of ukraine, the budding democracy in ukraine, is a really important issue to me, and to see a president just put our vital interests like that at risk for his own political ends is something that we just can't stand for as americans. >> congressman, is it as clear as what we've described that ambassador bill taylor believes that military aid for american ally, ukraine, who is, as you just described, our buffer, our democratic ally there, in russia's neighborhood, that he testified today that military aid for that country was tied to a public commitment to investigate burisma? >> you know, i apologize, nicolle, i heard just now while i was listening that you all evidently have this testimony. i apologize. i'm not going to talk about what he said at all. i really respect this process. what i can tell you is that the -- it's -- the case is overwhelming and it really ratifies the process we're going through. very soberly having witness after witness come in and build the fact case about what actually transpired and as other people have said, there were, you know, a tr
and so the security of ukraine, the budding democracy in ukraine, is a really important issue to me, and to see a president just put our vital interests like that at risk for his own political ends is something that we just can't stand for as americans. >> congressman, is it as clear as what we've described that ambassador bill taylor believes that military aid for american ally, ukraine, who is, as you just described, our buffer, our democratic ally there, in russia's neighborhood, that...
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ambassador to ukraine in the trump administration. meanwhile, the person who took over as acting ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, is on his way to testify. he is another key witness. remember, there's a lot of names here, but he is the one where if you don't remember his name, i bet you remember his text exchange, because he talked to donald trump's hand-picked ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland. mr. taylor is the one who wrote, quote, it is crazy to withhold financial assistance. speaker pelosi just described a potential, what she sees as a kind of a meltdown today after the united states house passed this resolution condemning the president's decision to withdraw from syria. >> go ahead. >> witness on the part of the president was a meltdown. sad to say. >> he was insulting. particularly to the speaker. she kept her cool completely. but he called her a third-rate politician. this was not a dialogue. it was sort of a diatribe. a nasty diatribe. >> i'm joined now by matt miller, who worked at the doj during the obama and holder
ambassador to ukraine in the trump administration. meanwhile, the person who took over as acting ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, is on his way to testify. he is another key witness. remember, there's a lot of names here, but he is the one where if you don't remember his name, i bet you remember his text exchange, because he talked to donald trump's hand-picked ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland. mr. taylor is the one who wrote, quote, it is crazy to withhold financial assistance. speaker...
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policy-making with respect to ukraine. taylor goes on to lay out the events of this past summer when the newly elected president of ukraine was eager to get a meeting at the white house and with trump, and to get american aid in its fight against russia. taylor says he was told on september 1st by the ambassador to the eu, former trump donor gordon sondland, that trump wanted the ukrainian leader to publicly say he was open to the inquiry. quote, sondland said everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance. trump wanted president zelensky in a public box by making a public statement about ordering such investigations into the bidens. taylor says later that that month sondland told him trump was adamant that president zelensky himself had to clear things up and do it in public. sondland said that he had talked to president zelensky and that although this was not a quid pro quo, if he did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. ic, we would be at a stalemate. i understood a
policy-making with respect to ukraine. taylor goes on to lay out the events of this past summer when the newly elected president of ukraine was eager to get a meeting at the white house and with trump, and to get american aid in its fight against russia. taylor says he was told on september 1st by the ambassador to the eu, former trump donor gordon sondland, that trump wanted the ukrainian leader to publicly say he was open to the inquiry. quote, sondland said everything was dependent on such...
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diplomat in ukraine texted sonland saying president zelensky is sensitive about ukraine taking seriously not just as in washington domestic policy politics. >> and a phone call with the ukrainian president, volker texted zelensky's aide this, heard from white house, and assuming he will investigate and get to what happened, we will nail down a date in washington. >> hi, mr. mayor had, a good chat with yermak, zelensky's aide, pleased with your phone call, and mentioned making a stakes, and can we get on a phone call that i advise z correctly as to what he should be saying. make sure we get it done right. and the next day, text to volker, he wants to get a date for the white house visit before committing to a statement of the bidens and the 2016 election. the aide texts, once we have a date, we will have a press briefing outlining a visit and outlining a vision for the reboot of the u.s./ukraine re-election, including among other things election meddling. on august 28, zelensky's aide texted back saying, quote, i need to talk to you. well, several days go by. then, on september 1st, there
diplomat in ukraine texted sonland saying president zelensky is sensitive about ukraine taking seriously not just as in washington domestic policy politics. >> and a phone call with the ukrainian president, volker texted zelensky's aide this, heard from white house, and assuming he will investigate and get to what happened, we will nail down a date in washington. >> hi, mr. mayor had, a good chat with yermak, zelensky's aide, pleased with your phone call, and mentioned making a...
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she can talk about the decision to withhold aid from ukraine. she can talk about the work that giuliani and his associates were doing in ukraine leading up to this time. she can talk about the conversations that may or may not have reached the it the about what gordon sondland, kurt volker were doing behind the scenes in the lead up to that phone call what she may not be able to describe, he's been in this secure room a few floors beneath where i'm standing for the last several hours, what she may not give democrats is specifics about her conversations with president trump, i think that's one thing the white house was worried about. the level of detail she might provide in that arena. anything she can do to lay the ground work to give democratic investigators a sense of the president's thinking, the political and policy framework leading up to that phone call will all be useful to democrats. >> there's been some reports that the white house is actually concerned over fiona hill's testimony today. what are you hearing today in regards to that? wh
she can talk about the decision to withhold aid from ukraine. she can talk about the work that giuliani and his associates were doing in ukraine leading up to this time. she can talk about the conversations that may or may not have reached the it the about what gordon sondland, kurt volker were doing behind the scenes in the lead up to that phone call what she may not be able to describe, he's been in this secure room a few floors beneath where i'm standing for the last several hours, what she...
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in eastern ukraine. so he was there to manage the situation between the ukrainians and the russians who are fighting to try to see if some progress could be made towards some kind of peace and at the minimum keep things tamped down, under control. that was more or less the big trust of his job. that's how he became embroiled in this because he had this contact and trust with the ukrainians. >> let's talk about what you believe went down. rudy giuliani put these text messages out saying he was given authority by the state department to do something, talk to people about launching this investigation into joe biden and hillary clinton and all these things. what is the way in which you understand this to have happened? >> what i understand, and what i see from the text messages between rudy giuliani and ambassador volker is that ambassador volker was putting him in touch with craukrainians. ukraine minneapolians and the g. knowing ambassador volker as well as i do, he's a straight up guy. he was probably thi
in eastern ukraine. so he was there to manage the situation between the ukrainians and the russians who are fighting to try to see if some progress could be made towards some kind of peace and at the minimum keep things tamped down, under control. that was more or less the big trust of his job. that's how he became embroiled in this because he had this contact and trust with the ukrainians. >> let's talk about what you believe went down. rudy giuliani put these text messages out saying he...
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to root out corruption in ukraine. in conjunction, with our european allies, the international monetary fund, and its leaders, and our closest democratic allies, and the courageous reformers in ukraine who i met on the ground when i was there multiple times. it was a fully-transparent policy. carried out in front of the whole world. and fully, fully embraced by the international community of democracy. we weren't pressuring ukraine to get rid of a top prosecutor, we were pursuing ukraine to replace a weak prosecutor who wouldn't do his job with someone at the time we hoped would finally crack down on corruption in ukraine. that's what it was about. trump on the other hand was secretly putting at risk our national security by pursuing a personal political vendetta against me, because -- >> joining us professor of political science of brown university and author of the book "the oath and the office," corey brettthis sh nider, great to have you back with us this morning. >> good morning. >> and let's talk more about mike
to root out corruption in ukraine. in conjunction, with our european allies, the international monetary fund, and its leaders, and our closest democratic allies, and the courageous reformers in ukraine who i met on the ground when i was there multiple times. it was a fully-transparent policy. carried out in front of the whole world. and fully, fully embraced by the international community of democracy. we weren't pressuring ukraine to get rid of a top prosecutor, we were pursuing ukraine to...
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he was the number two in ukraine. and he identified and expressed a concern about the president extorting the ukrainians for two things. the president had a consistent ask as soon as president zelensky came into office to get a white house meeting and for the -- it looks like for security assistance to be lifted, the ukrainian hs to go back and exonerate the russians for their role in the 2016 election and also investigate the president's future opponent, potential opponent vice president biden. >> congressman, the person that kind of responded in writing to clean up the paper trail from that diplomat bill taylor is the same person who turns out to be republican senator ron johnson's source. when he learned and confronted the president about whether or not there was a quid pro quo tying that military aid for our ally to do some of the president's political bidding. do you want to bring all of these diplomats before your committee and have those invitations gone out? >> that's certainly the intention of our chairman an
he was the number two in ukraine. and he identified and expressed a concern about the president extorting the ukrainians for two things. the president had a consistent ask as soon as president zelensky came into office to get a white house meeting and for the -- it looks like for security assistance to be lifted, the ukrainian hs to go back and exonerate the russians for their role in the 2016 election and also investigate the president's future opponent, potential opponent vice president...
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i mean, giuliani wanted to have ukraine and look into joe biden's son' business dealings in ukraine to see if there was any wrongdoing there, and so that is something that i think that they will continue to highlight. as far as whether it will have an impact on the election, i think, you know, there's no evidence of illegality on the side of the bide ens. i think from that point that's not going to be a huge factor. but the biggest risk for joe biden here -- and people don't really know how this is going to work out. democratic strategists i've talked to are unsure how this is going to impact the primary race because on the one hand joe biden looks a little bit sympathetic. on the other hand some of his rivals have said they would not want their vice president's son or daughter to be serving on the board of a foreign company. so that is sort of the appearance of it being uncomfortable is something that i think voters might think about as they go to the polls next year. >> lets talk about this second whistle-blower here and the impact it could possibly have on the white house's strategy
i mean, giuliani wanted to have ukraine and look into joe biden's son' business dealings in ukraine to see if there was any wrongdoing there, and so that is something that i think that they will continue to highlight. as far as whether it will have an impact on the election, i think, you know, there's no evidence of illegality on the side of the bide ens. i think from that point that's not going to be a huge factor. but the biggest risk for joe biden here -- and people don't really know how...
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we know it relates to documents related to ukraine. this comes on the heels of our secretary of state mike pompeo accusing democrats in the house of attempt to go, quote, intimidate, bully and treat improperly five current and former state department officials scheduled to be deposed by key democratic committee chairman leading the impeachment inquiry. pompeo's effort to stonewall may be collapsing. former u.s. special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker says he will testify in the house's impeachment inquiry on thursday two days from now. former u.s. ambassador to ukraine will also testify before house committees next week. house democrats also sent pompeo something of a warning saying that he is now a fact witness in the wake of these reports that he was on that phone call, july 25th, with trump and the president of ukraine. they're saying he's conflicted because of that. pompeo, who is traveling in italy was asked about these reports. >> mr. secretary, do you have any comment on reports you're on the july 25th call with president zelensky
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and promoting corruption in ukraine. >> that was just tonight. this week's other star witness will be the u.s. ambassador to the european union. his name is gordon sondland. he is a political appointee and a trump donor. he appears on thursday on the hill. he was the guy who responded to concerns about trump's scheme in ukraine with that text message, quote, the president has been crystal clear. no quid pro quos of any kind. trump even pointed to that text as evidence of his exoneration. >> the text message that i saw from ambassador sondland, who is highly respected, was there's no quid pro quo. he said that. he said, by the way, it almost sounded like in general. by the way, there's no quid pro quo. and there isn't. there is no pro quo. that was the text message i saw, and that nullified everything. >> almost sounded like a general. "the washington post" reports when sondland testifies before the committees he plans to say the content of that text message was relayed to him directly by president trump and he doesn't know if it's true. "the post
and promoting corruption in ukraine. >> that was just tonight. this week's other star witness will be the u.s. ambassador to the european union. his name is gordon sondland. he is a political appointee and a trump donor. he appears on thursday on the hill. he was the guy who responded to concerns about trump's scheme in ukraine with that text message, quote, the president has been crystal clear. no quid pro quos of any kind. trump even pointed to that text as evidence of his exoneration....
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i spoke to ukraine. i was right to do so. i was talking about corruption. and this is something quite different. this is what has made -- has propelled this story with such velocity. you know, we haven't even hit the two-week mark yet on the ukraine story, and yet we're at a point where i think the president's impeachment now seems increasingly likely. he said that himself today to reporters at the white house, that he thinks the democrats have the votes in the house to impeach him although you used the clip earlier that showed him counting on the republican people in the senate to keep him in office. >> yeah, exactly that. hey, barb, what does it take for a cia in-house lawyer to refer a criminal complaint up the ladder to doj? >> i have to believe that this cia general counsel was very alarmed by what she saw to take such serious steps as to alert the department of justice that a crime may have occurred by the president of the united states. i think that if i were in those shoes looking at that, it would take a very, very high level of allegedly, purporte
i spoke to ukraine. i was right to do so. i was talking about corruption. and this is something quite different. this is what has made -- has propelled this story with such velocity. you know, we haven't even hit the two-week mark yet on the ukraine story, and yet we're at a point where i think the president's impeachment now seems increasingly likely. he said that himself today to reporters at the white house, that he thinks the democrats have the votes in the house to impeach him although you...
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policy making on ukraine that turned on mr. giuliani. that matters because it is new confirmation of what you've already heard about, what we've been reporting about, the reason the president is close to impeachment, that ls tthere is allegation of a shadow foreign policy doing the bidding of mr. trump's reelection. it's also a corroboration of what the whistleblower alleged, on what the white house call note said, depicting donald trump, assigning giuliani to extort political favors from ukraine. giuliani, of course, is now under criminal investigation as well and i'll have more on that later tonight. here's another point you have to understand to see why today is so big. taylor today has new details of incriminating evidence against trump that he says, this ambassador, he personally heard an unidentified voice on the phone stating that ukraine's aid would be held up at trump's direction. more evidence of the plot. then he later learned a keo fishl directly told ukranian leaders that security assistance money would not come until their
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can the president ask ukraine to investigate corruption generally? i think there is in problem with that. does the american public reasonably believe that he focused in on the bidens as some particular threat? >> with all of the stuff that's out there. >> that's the question. >> danny cevallos, thanks, buddy. >>> president trump told reporters yesterday that the white house is trying to figure out the identity of the whistleblower. he also renewed his attacks on house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff. watch. >> mr. president, do you now know who the whistleblower is, sir? >> well, we're trying to find out about a whistleblower. when you have a whistleblower that reports things that were incorrect. as you know, and you probably now have figured it out, the statement i made to the president of ukraine, a good man, a nice man, knew, was perfect, it was perfect. but the whistleblower reported a totally different statement. >> the call was perfect. when the whistleblower reported it, he made it sound terrible. and then you have adam schiff who
can the president ask ukraine to investigate corruption generally? i think there is in problem with that. does the american public reasonably believe that he focused in on the bidens as some particular threat? >> with all of the stuff that's out there. >> that's the question. >> danny cevallos, thanks, buddy. >>> president trump told reporters yesterday that the white house is trying to figure out the identity of the whistleblower. he also renewed his attacks on house...
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ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, calling her "an obama holdover." eyre also learning more about what lieutenant colonel alexander vindman told members of congress during his testimony yesterday. nbc news reports he testified that a white house meeting between trump and the president of ukraine as well as that military aid package was contingent on ukrainian officials carrying out multiple investigations. politico reporting vindman also said an associate of republican congressman devin nunes misrepresented himself to trump in an attempt to influence ukraine policy. some of the key aspects of the impeachment inquiry specifically, who knew about what, also emerged today during a senate foreign relations committee hearing. under oath was this man, number two guy at the state department under pompeo john sullivan. he is hoping to be confirmed as the next u.s. ambassador to russia. >> do you think it's ever appropriate for the president to use his office to solicit investigations into a domestic political opponent? >> soliciting investigations into a dome
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incentives of ukraine or our financial support of ukraine. he's admitting to this stuff, part of the thing i worry about we're not holding pence's feet to the fire, the way we should. this is a man that said god told him he would be president. i think part of what we have to do is smash down this entire mode of government say all of it is evil, it's dishonest. is anyone bothered by the fact we have a president that governs by conspiracy theory. >> i have to fit in a break, only 30 seconds but thank you both so much. back in 30 seconds, guess who's here, guess who's back as they say, take a look. here it is, tony schwartz in the pinstripes, coauthor of "the art of the deal". we'll be back in 30. "the art of the deal" we'll be back in 30. nly pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar? thanks, lady. taxi! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >>> is the melt down getting worse, donald trump now encouraging china to investigate joe biden. we'll get into all
incentives of ukraine or our financial support of ukraine. he's admitting to this stuff, part of the thing i worry about we're not holding pence's feet to the fire, the way we should. this is a man that said god told him he would be president. i think part of what we have to do is smash down this entire mode of government say all of it is evil, it's dishonest. is anyone bothered by the fact we have a president that governs by conspiracy theory. >> i have to fit in a break, only 30 seconds...
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william taylor is an expert on ukraine. he served as george w. bush's ambassador to ukraine. and after donald trump forced out marie yovanovitch as ambassador, william taylor is serving as acting ambassador to ukraine. he testified for ten hours today under oath about what rudy giuliani and donald trump have been doing with ukraine, yes, william taylor delivered testimony devastating to president trump. one freshman member of the committee hearing his testimony today said after the first couple hours of william taylor's testimony that it was, quote, my most disturbing day in congress so far. that congressman will join us in a moment. william taylor's testimony could make the impeachment of donald trump bipartisan. his testimony could turn some republican votes in the house of representatives and it might be the testimony that convinces republican senator mitt romney to vote to convict and remove donald trump from office. donald trump's very rich and totally incompetent and unqualified ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland, could face perjury charges after william
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he had been an ambassador to the ukraine under george h.w. bush. he said i think it's crazy for the president to be essentially exchanging security assistance for political assistance or political campaign help. i think, yes, it's crazy, and it's more than crazy. it's a huge abuse of power. >> now, when we hear a statement like that that he thought it was crazy, and we're talking, as you just stated, about abuse of power, we're talking about a president now that talked about america first and all these things that clearly in two instances the whistle-blower talking about ukraine and there may be a second whistle-blower we're now told who has even more direct information. and we have the president himself, which we just played, saying that china ought to investigate the bidens, not investigate corruption, but the bidens, and joe biden is potentially a candidate against him. he's certainly running in order to be that. >> yeah. this is all absolutely about the 2020 campaign, undermining vice president biden as a contender in that campaign. to be askin
he had been an ambassador to the ukraine under george h.w. bush. he said i think it's crazy for the president to be essentially exchanging security assistance for political assistance or political campaign help. i think, yes, it's crazy, and it's more than crazy. it's a huge abuse of power. >> now, when we hear a statement like that that he thought it was crazy, and we're talking, as you just stated, about abuse of power, we're talking about a president now that talked about america first...
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special envoy to ukraine. bill taylor, the u.s. envoy to ukraine. sondeland and on the ukraine side, andrier mack, an aid to ukranian president. the morning of the phone call between trump and zelensky, volcker texted saying heard from white house assuming president z he will investigate/get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to washington. good luck. see you tomorrow. by now thanks to the first whistle blower complaint and a rough transcript of trump's ukraine call we now know that on that call trump pressed zelensky to launch -- everyone involved in this text messages only one career ambassador bill taylor pushed back texting on september 1st quote, are we now saying that security assistance and white house meeting are conditioned on investigations? to which gordon text back, call me. taylor then pushes back again on september 9th texting quote, as i said on the phone, i think it's crazy to with hold security assistance for help with a political campaign. almost five hours later sondland seemed to suddenly bec
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he knew the ukraine. he was willing to play along, it would appear, with empowering rudy to do something quasi-official. in the midst of it. he witnessed donald trump ask a foreign leader to dirty up joe biden's son and joe biden a potential political rival. >> yeah. i think he may have been appointed by secretary tillerson. somebody will correct us i'm sure in five seconds if i'm wrong on that. >> but he was still on the job. >> and he was trying -- i mean, remember what his job actually. he's not just special envoy for ukraine. he's supposed to be ending the war working with the russians by the way. he has a counterpart. a really, really hard job that everybody when he signed up for the job said he was going to fail in. and by the way he did. there has been little progress on that. the second thing is if you work in the government and somebody from the white house says to you can you help my friend, my lawyer mr. giuliani, you're in a pretty difficult position. you know, we'll hear exactly what he said
he knew the ukraine. he was willing to play along, it would appear, with empowering rudy to do something quasi-official. in the midst of it. he witnessed donald trump ask a foreign leader to dirty up joe biden's son and joe biden a potential political rival. >> yeah. i think he may have been appointed by secretary tillerson. somebody will correct us i'm sure in five seconds if i'm wrong on that. >> but he was still on the job. >> and he was trying -- i mean, remember what his...
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russia, china, and ukraine. but we don't know what we don't know. >> and proving negatives of course is always really hard. but if rudy giuliani is freelancing in ukraine, i have a bunch of other questions. >> exactly. >>> all right. jeremy bash, it says you have to go. >> i am going to twist your arm in the break before i thank you and say good-bye. after the break, as public support for the public investigation swells, boiling donald trump's impeachment down to a, b, and c that. story's next. s nextr at average risk. i took your advice and asked my doctor to order cologuard, that noninvasive colon cancer screening test. the delivery guy just dropped it off. our doctor says it uses advanced science. it's actually stool dna technology that finds 92 percent of colon cancers. no prep, and private. colon cancer screening that's as easy as get, go, gone. ask your doctor if cologuard is right for you. covered by medicare and most major insurers. and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu & doug w
russia, china, and ukraine. but we don't know what we don't know. >> and proving negatives of course is always really hard. but if rudy giuliani is freelancing in ukraine, i have a bunch of other questions. >> exactly. >>> all right. jeremy bash, it says you have to go. >> i am going to twist your arm in the break before i thank you and say good-bye. after the break, as public support for the public investigation swells, boiling donald trump's impeachment down to a,...
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this is all about ukraine. the indictment of two dozen russians, including 12 russian intelligence officers for hacking, social media propaganda, from the special counsel, that's all wrong. don't look there. nothing to see here. we're also hearing vladimir putin come to the defense of our president and say that a whistle-blower complaint filed by a u.s. intelligence official is baseless. so we've got an imprisoned felon and vladimir putin trying to help the president and rudy giuliani right in the middle. >> peter baker, you too are a veteran journalist. the three of you that we have on this broadcast are consensus walk-on hall of famers and we are happy to have you. can you rank what you saw from this president with anything else in your repertoirele memory? >> not, not with any president before him. obviously i would start by saying jeff mason who you showed asking that question is also an all-star for heaven's sake. that guy is the best of the business and was very unflappable in the face of what can only be
this is all about ukraine. the indictment of two dozen russians, including 12 russian intelligence officers for hacking, social media propaganda, from the special counsel, that's all wrong. don't look there. nothing to see here. we're also hearing vladimir putin come to the defense of our president and say that a whistle-blower complaint filed by a u.s. intelligence official is baseless. so we've got an imprisoned felon and vladimir putin trying to help the president and rudy giuliani right in...
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doing in ukraine. meanwhile, threats of prison, invokin invoking treason, warning of civil war. as president trump lashes out, it's raising a new alarm even within his own party. have we reached a dangerous new stage? also, attorney general bill bar now facing even more serious questions about his activities overseas, meetings that he's reportedly been having with foreign officials about the origins of the russia investigation. >> has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? yes or no, please, sir. >> the president or anybody else. >> seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> yeah, but i'm trying to grapple with the word suggest. i was diagnosed with parkinson's. i had to retire from law enforcement. it was devastating. one of my medications is three thousand dollars per month. prescription drugs do not work if you cannot afford them. for sixty years, aarp has been fighting for people like larry. and we won't
doing in ukraine. meanwhile, threats of prison, invokin invoking treason, warning of civil war. as president trump lashes out, it's raising a new alarm even within his own party. have we reached a dangerous new stage? also, attorney general bill bar now facing even more serious questions about his activities overseas, meetings that he's reportedly been having with foreign officials about the origins of the russia investigation. >> has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked...
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diplomat in ukraine. contextualize this for us. >> reporter: first of all, just because someone iters the words quid pro quo doesn't make it so. quid pro quo is i'll do a if you do b. that is what is laid out in the text messages, even if trump says that's not the case and his ambassador to the eu says, no, no, no, no quid pro quo because trump said so. as far as bill taylor, you're right. the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, acting ambassador because of trump having recalled the previous ambassador is the only person involved in the texts we have now who is a career diplomat, meaning someone that serves presidents of both parties stays in the government. and that's the only person who is really pushing back on this bid to get ukraine to investigate the president's political opponents. the other two ambassadors who are involved in all of this, ambassadors volker and sondland are political appointees, people trump chose to bring into the government. both of them seem to be working with giuliani to advance the p
diplomat in ukraine. contextualize this for us. >> reporter: first of all, just because someone iters the words quid pro quo doesn't make it so. quid pro quo is i'll do a if you do b. that is what is laid out in the text messages, even if trump says that's not the case and his ambassador to the eu says, no, no, no, no quid pro quo because trump said so. as far as bill taylor, you're right. the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, acting ambassador because of trump having recalled the previous...