we've seen nbc try to do its version with hoda kotb and kathie lee gifford. >> by clone, you mean ripped off, imitated. >> i don't know that it's the most original thing to have four people in front of a camera talking about the day's events. that's been done for quite a while. but barbara walters was able to create a unique template that melded news and entertainment. she had the president on, she had ex-presidents on and some very important political figures on while at the same time having some of the most entertainment oriented programming that you could have in daytime all in the same, all in the same, you know, hour-long show. and, particularly, in the first 15 minutes, you always wanted to tune in to see what is going to happen. what are they going to talk about and what sort of news story will they uncork that they will be talking about later in the day. that is an amazing achievement. >> hot water cooler topics. with "the view" losing joy behar and barbara walters not officially confirming, but she will be stepping down in may 2014. can that show survive without its founding mem