kimberly atkins stohr from the boston globe and stephen hayes, ceo and editor of the dispatch impeach let's dive right in. what are your takeaways? >> let me deal with the elephant in the room. i think our bosses owe you an apology for putting you in this situation. i don't know what to believe. she is a paid contributor to nbc news. she didn't want to mess up her contract. she wants us to believe that she was speaking for the rnc the rnc was paying for. she has credibility issues. is she speaking for herself? is she speaking on behalf of who is paying her? once at the rnc she did say that, i'm speaking for the party. i get that. that's part of the job so what about here? i will say this. i think your interview did a good job of exposing i think many other contradictions, and look, there's a reason why there's a lot of journalists at nbc news uncomfortable with this because many of our professional dealings with the rnc over the years have been met with gaslighting and character assassination. so it is, you know, that's where you begin here and so when nbc made the decision to give he