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there are pockets of isis around the world yet. what we are reporting is the probable leader of the leader of isis. how significant is this? >> i'd say quite, and natalie, you put your finger on it. it's one of the big questions here other than did we gather much intelligence to exploit is what's the big impact going to be. what's the impact going to be on the movement. he of course was an interesting leader. he was a leader for the i.s. and leader of the islamic state. he combined those elements and that makes him a rare figure or special in that regard. another question for a lot of security analysts is what will be the reaction from i.s. will they be able to mount a real response or is that only in the areas where they're strong at the moment or they have remnants left. think of parts of turkey where they have infrastructure, iraq. and are they going to be looking for u.s. targets there to strike back, or will they indeed be capable of pulling off something in the next few days, next few weeks in response to this further afield.
there are pockets of isis around the world yet. what we are reporting is the probable leader of the leader of isis. how significant is this? >> i'd say quite, and natalie, you put your finger on it. it's one of the big questions here other than did we gather much intelligence to exploit is what's the big impact going to be. what's the impact going to be on the movement. he of course was an interesting leader. he was a leader for the i.s. and leader of the islamic state. he combined those...
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now the head of isis is very likely dead. and how this changes the landscape of syria right now. >> well, i think the first element of that you have to say the timing is extremely coincidental. this person they have been looking out for years was tracked down and appeared to be killed by u.s. forces, within a week or two of u.s. forces withdrawing in syria and allowing turkish forces to enter syria. so is there some kind of quid pro quo, and this is the final element of it, or is the timing entirely coincidental? that is something we will think about the next few weeks i'm sure. i'm sure the other issue here is in some secondary way, this strengthens the arguments of damascus coming down to control. once you find the head of islamic state being killed in that province, it strengthens the argument on damascus and moscow. it appears on the surface of it. i think there is still quite a bit to be played out in terms of the being found in i.d. lid province. >> let's talk about isis beyond syria. they to operate in philippines, sin
now the head of isis is very likely dead. and how this changes the landscape of syria right now. >> well, i think the first element of that you have to say the timing is extremely coincidental. this person they have been looking out for years was tracked down and appeared to be killed by u.s. forces, within a week or two of u.s. forces withdrawing in syria and allowing turkish forces to enter syria. so is there some kind of quid pro quo, and this is the final element of it, or is the...
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possibly in a stronghold of a group that is a rival to isis. isis waiting. al qaeda still strong in this province near the turkish border. these are the discussions people have as they learn more details over time. here is a look at al baghdadi's life and what it meant and where his death leads us. his face in publicly only once and even then in the presence of a small number. this is the moment friday prayers in mosul and abub bakr ago baghdadi chose to reveal himself. yet, before the infamy of this pulpit, he spent a decade rising quietly. a ph.d. student said to like football, these pentagon records show his capture by u.s. forces in 2004 near fallujah, his hometown and held for years as a civilian internee at u.s. camp buka. one expert who knew him said he turned. >> translator: al baghdadi was not cruel but wanted to fight the americans. he went to a school where he met foreigners and some iraqis who filled his head with such ideas. >> reporter: the man in charge of the camp mur mmur saying see you in new york. i look at those words in a different conte
possibly in a stronghold of a group that is a rival to isis. isis waiting. al qaeda still strong in this province near the turkish border. these are the discussions people have as they learn more details over time. here is a look at al baghdadi's life and what it meant and where his death leads us. his face in publicly only once and even then in the presence of a small number. this is the moment friday prayers in mosul and abub bakr ago baghdadi chose to reveal himself. yet, before the infamy...
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the leader of isis appears to be death. he gave birth to and promoted the sickening creed that cast so many innocent lives. his face in public, only once. even then, in the presence of a small number. this is the moment at friday prayers and a freshly conquered mosul, al baghdadi, creator of one of the most successful and inhuman terrorist networks in human history, chose to reveal himself. before the infamy of this pulpit, he spent a decade rising quietly. a ph.d. student said to like football, his records show a capture of forces in 2004, near fallujah. and held for years at u.s. camp bucca. it was there, one expert that knew him, that he turned. >> al baghdadi was not cruel or radical at the time. he wanted to fight the americans. he leaned towards sectarian violence in bucca, a school where he met such iraqis that filled his head with ideas. >> his words as he was released -- >> he knew my unit was from long island, new york. he looked over to us. as we left, he said, see you in new york. here we are a few years hence,
the leader of isis appears to be death. he gave birth to and promoted the sickening creed that cast so many innocent lives. his face in public, only once. even then, in the presence of a small number. this is the moment at friday prayers and a freshly conquered mosul, al baghdadi, creator of one of the most successful and inhuman terrorist networks in human history, chose to reveal himself. before the infamy of this pulpit, he spent a decade rising quietly. a ph.d. student said to like...
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in 2014, he proclaimed an isis caliphate. u.s. president donald trump is expected to make an announcement in the coming hours. that's what we've been told. the administration official said that the speech he will deliver will be foreign policy-related. he did say and tweeted out, that something really big has just happen e happened. ben wedeman, when you think of your experience in the spring. 50 days, you watched the last days days, hours of isis, as they tried to hang on. what are you thinking, now, as we seem to have two u.s. officials confirming to cnn, that they believe that al baghdadi is dead. >> it's significant. i was thinking about, what does all this mean? when we were interviewing, we interviewed dozens of isis wives and children. for few of them spoke about baghda baghdadi. their loyalty was to the islamic state. unlike, for instance, bin laden, who was a cult figure in al qaeda, al baghdadi wasn't seen as the embodiment of the islamic state. he was seen as the head of it. you didn't have the cult of personality. osam
in 2014, he proclaimed an isis caliphate. u.s. president donald trump is expected to make an announcement in the coming hours. that's what we've been told. the administration official said that the speech he will deliver will be foreign policy-related. he did say and tweeted out, that something really big has just happen e happened. ben wedeman, when you think of your experience in the spring. 50 days, you watched the last days days, hours of isis, as they tried to hang on. what are you...
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it's detrimental to isis. take a listen. >> al-baghdadi was on the run for many years long before i took office. in my direction as commander and chief of the united states we obliterate his caliphate 100% in march of this year. today's events are another reminder that we'll continue to pursue the remaining isis terrorists to their brutal end. that also goes for other terrorist organizations. >> so, max, how do you interpret this messaging? how does the president's decision to pull u.s. troops out of syria impact his goal to pursue remaining isis terrorists? >> doesn't make any sense, frederica. this is a good day for justice. we can be happy al-baghdadi is dead. he was an evil man. we should not exaggerate the operational significance of this. we have too many examples in history of terrorist leaders being killed and their organizations continuing. a u.s. strike zone killed the head of the taliban in 2016 and they're alive more than ever. in 2016 they killed the leader of al qaeda in iraq. that doesn't do any
it's detrimental to isis. take a listen. >> al-baghdadi was on the run for many years long before i took office. in my direction as commander and chief of the united states we obliterate his caliphate 100% in march of this year. today's events are another reminder that we'll continue to pursue the remaining isis terrorists to their brutal end. that also goes for other terrorist organizations. >> so, max, how do you interpret this messaging? how does the president's decision to pull...
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leader of isis, but there's also this new threat of 100 plus isis terrorists out there. senator bob menendez, the ranking democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, says that the release of these isis prisoners is a clear and present danger to the united states. do you agree? >> well, we need to have more information about exactly who they were. so there are top rate, very dangerous isis operatives, and lower rung operatives who are not as dangerous. as you pointed out, it's a big deal to get bagdadi. i think the president deserves a lot of credit cafor authorizing the raid. if it had gone bad, he would have gotten the blame. but that does not mean isis has been defeated, any more than getting bin laden meant al qaeda was defeated. you still have these networks, you still have the people who will take the place of anybody we remove. and they will continue to work to attack america. one other point. there was a lot of comment about, we wouldn't expect bagdadi to be in idlib because we thought al qaeda was there. what happens in some places is, terrorist organizat
leader of isis, but there's also this new threat of 100 plus isis terrorists out there. senator bob menendez, the ranking democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, says that the release of these isis prisoners is a clear and present danger to the united states. do you agree? >> well, we need to have more information about exactly who they were. so there are top rate, very dangerous isis operatives, and lower rung operatives who are not as dangerous. as you pointed out, it's a...
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the troops now that are denying isis access to those oil fields are doing so so we make sure isis doesn't generate the revenue that would allow them to buy weapons to attack our partners in europe or the homeland. that's why we're reinforcing positions in the southern part of northern syria. >> did the withdrawal of u.s. forces from the turkish/syria border accelerate this operation in any way? >> i don't think so. the withdraw was made because president erdogan said he was going to attack regardless. we were opposed to that vehemently and protested as much. our concern was that turkey's actions, unwarranted as they were, would cause us to lose focus on the defeat isis mission. that's the reason we're there. and last week i spent in the region talking to many of our allies and i spent time in brussels with our nato allies and reiterated to them our commitment to the enduring defeat of isis. >> and obviously this is a huge blow to isis, to have their leader al-baghdadi killed. is there now concern that isis might lash out, that they might try to stage some sort of terrorist attack to show
the troops now that are denying isis access to those oil fields are doing so so we make sure isis doesn't generate the revenue that would allow them to buy weapons to attack our partners in europe or the homeland. that's why we're reinforcing positions in the southern part of northern syria. >> did the withdrawal of u.s. forces from the turkish/syria border accelerate this operation in any way? >> i don't think so. the withdraw was made because president erdogan said he was going to...
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those affiliates actually split when isis was formed from isis back in 2014 and, indeed, engaged in quite a bit of combat around raqqah. the alphabet soup of this military tan militants can't accomplish who is fighting for whom and baghdadi might have been with friends even though in a rival enemy group he was hiding. being so close to turkey whether his family was trying to get out of the region and try to go anonymous at least for a while inside turkish territory, that would have been highly problematic for turkey. nonetheless i think what is really important about understanding this is that while the head of the snake has been cut off, there is a hydra. 12 million people under the rule of baghdadi, himself. he is now dead and the territory has gone largely from isis rule but the ideas remain but that makes them, once again, direct kind of brand competitors, if you like, with the previously formed al qaeda which is never intended to control territory. so ultimately with the death of the so-called leader, this represents a very symbolic powerful body blow to the so-called islamic state b
those affiliates actually split when isis was formed from isis back in 2014 and, indeed, engaged in quite a bit of combat around raqqah. the alphabet soup of this military tan militants can't accomplish who is fighting for whom and baghdadi might have been with friends even though in a rival enemy group he was hiding. being so close to turkey whether his family was trying to get out of the region and try to go anonymous at least for a while inside turkish territory, that would have been highly...
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fundamentally, al qaeda and isis, though they have their differences, isis grew out of al qaeda. therefore, it's not altogether surprising that given that he has been on the run for quite some time, that he might have decided to go to idlib sort of as a last ditch effort to stay alive himself. but perhaps to make an alliance. they have had their differences in the past. but their fundamental ideologies aren't really that different. martin? >> okay. really appreciate your insight and your expertise. ben, thank you very much. >>> ahead, we have more on this huge development in a hunt for isis leader of abu bakr al baghdadi. (contemplative synth music) - [narrator] forget about vacuuming for up to a month. shark iq robot deep-cleans and empties itself into a base you can empty once a month. and unlike standard robots that bounce around, it cleans row by row. if it's not a shark, it's just a robot. that life of the party look walk it off look one more mile look reply all look own your look... ...with fewer lines. there's only one botox® cosmetic. it's the only one... ...fda approved
fundamentally, al qaeda and isis, though they have their differences, isis grew out of al qaeda. therefore, it's not altogether surprising that given that he has been on the run for quite some time, that he might have decided to go to idlib sort of as a last ditch effort to stay alive himself. but perhaps to make an alliance. they have had their differences in the past. but their fundamental ideologies aren't really that different. martin? >> okay. really appreciate your insight and your...
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just a few weeks ago from al baghdadi encouraging the isis caliphate to continue and for those isis fighters to continue without him. >> well, what baghdadi knew for certain is that he had to stay off telephones and any communications, electronic communications. he had to get away. like mullah omar in afghanistan. simply go underground, stay away from e-mail, telephone calls, and the rest of it. and you know, it's significant, especially now, because so many islamic state prisoners have escaped, possibly up to 800. they're talking about reforming. to have their leader taken out in whatever way at this time would be demoralizing obviously for the islamic state. you know, this would be a very crucial, important operation in that part of the world. >> in terms of what's going on in that part of the world right now as you just mentioned, there is a lot of confusion over foreign policy there. certainly president trump will have been briefed on a lot of these covert operations over the last couple years to try to find al baghdadi and bring him to justice. in terms of what's going on on the ground
just a few weeks ago from al baghdadi encouraging the isis caliphate to continue and for those isis fighters to continue without him. >> well, what baghdadi knew for certain is that he had to stay off telephones and any communications, electronic communications. he had to get away. like mullah omar in afghanistan. simply go underground, stay away from e-mail, telephone calls, and the rest of it. and you know, it's significant, especially now, because so many islamic state prisoners have...
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number one, it stops isis because isis got tremendous wealth from that oil. we have taken it and secured it. and number two, somebody else may claim it but either we'll negotiate a deal who is claiming it if we think it is fair or militarily stop them. we have clout there in the world, the airport is very nearby. a very big and monstrous and very powerful airport and very expensive airport built years ago. we're in there for -- we're in that middle east now for $8 trillion. so we don't want to be keeping syria and turkey -- they'll have to make their own decision. the kurds have worked along incredibly with us but in all fairness it was much easier dealing with the kurds after they went through three days of fighting because that was a brutal three days. we would have said to the kurds, hey, do you mind moving over seven miles because they were in the middle mostly. so you have seven or eight miles. could you mind moving over. because i have to say, turkey is taken tremendous deaths from that part of the world. we call it a safe zone but it was anything but a
number one, it stops isis because isis got tremendous wealth from that oil. we have taken it and secured it. and number two, somebody else may claim it but either we'll negotiate a deal who is claiming it if we think it is fair or militarily stop them. we have clout there in the world, the airport is very nearby. a very big and monstrous and very powerful airport and very expensive airport built years ago. we're in there for -- we're in that middle east now for $8 trillion. so we don't want to...
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the leader of isis is dead. president trump not only announced that al-baghdadi killed himself but he also went into credible and sometimes graphic detail about the operation and the terrorist's final moments. >> they blasted their way in so quickly it was incredible. this building was quite powerful, strong. they blasted their way in and then all hell broke loose. it's incredible that nobody was killed or hurt. we had nobody even hurt and that's why the dog was so great. we had a robot to go in the tunnel, but we didn't get it because we were tracking him very closely but we had a robot just in case because we were afraid he had a suicide vest on and if he gets close and you're going to die. he had a very powerful suicide vest. >> did you have decisions in the moment while troops were on the ground? >> no, we were getting full reports on literally a minute by minute basis. sir, we just broke in, sir, the wall is down. sir, you know, we've captured. sir, two people are coming out right now hands up, fighters. th
the leader of isis is dead. president trump not only announced that al-baghdadi killed himself but he also went into credible and sometimes graphic detail about the operation and the terrorist's final moments. >> they blasted their way in so quickly it was incredible. this building was quite powerful, strong. they blasted their way in and then all hell broke loose. it's incredible that nobody was killed or hurt. we had nobody even hurt and that's why the dog was so great. we had a robot...
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has to continue hunting down these isis leaders. they're concerned, they say, possibly people they still need to target or would have like to have kept tracks on but can't do because of their eroded position inside of syria. they'll be in the south of syria in some hundred numbers. possibly in iraqi kurdistan. still vital isis leaders there to be tracked down. the next phase of that terror group is something that people will be deeply concerned about. >> nick, these are crucial days. appreciate it. >>> new details about where al baghdadi died. and new details of whether the president's detailed description of the raid was fully accurate. we'll discuss next. (thud) (crash) (grunting) (whistle) play it cool and escape heartburn fast with tums chewy bites cooling sensation. ♪ tum tu-tu-tum tums here's the thing about managing for your business.sn. when you've got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds- things can get a bit cloudy for you. but now, there's the dell technologies cloud, powered by vmware. a single hub for
has to continue hunting down these isis leaders. they're concerned, they say, possibly people they still need to target or would have like to have kept tracks on but can't do because of their eroded position inside of syria. they'll be in the south of syria in some hundred numbers. possibly in iraqi kurdistan. still vital isis leaders there to be tracked down. the next phase of that terror group is something that people will be deeply concerned about. >> nick, these are crucial days....
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danger of isis is so much greater, worries all of us. i asked the president what his plan was to contain isis. he didn't really have one. he said the turks and the syrians will guard the isis prisoners. i said is there any intelligence evidence that the turks and the syrians will have the same interests that the kurds or we did in guarding isis and the secretary of defense was, thank god he was honest, he said we don't have that evidence. and so i said then how can we think that this is a plan when there are syrians and turks who are not our friends who isis, if they escape, does them very little harm, how can we let this happen? they didn't have any good answer. this is appalling. the president had no plan, to real plan for containing isis other than relying on the syrians and the turks. then why did we spend a decade, billions of dollars and lost lives in trying to curtail isis if on a phone call, on a whim, the president is going to undo all of that and turn this over to the turks and the syrians. i would also say one other thing. he
danger of isis is so much greater, worries all of us. i asked the president what his plan was to contain isis. he didn't really have one. he said the turks and the syrians will guard the isis prisoners. i said is there any intelligence evidence that the turks and the syrians will have the same interests that the kurds or we did in guarding isis and the secretary of defense was, thank god he was honest, he said we don't have that evidence. and so i said then how can we think that this is a plan...
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the top isis members will try to fill. trump told the world in detail how he died during a military raid in syria. a source tells cnn he's may be disposed of at sea. the death was called a turning point in the fight against isis. however, the kurdish-led democratic forces say cur turkeys offensive delayed by more than a month. they are questioning whether the raid even happened and a spokesman says conflicting accounts about the operation raised questions and doubts about its existence and success. president trump had thanked russia for its help while announcing the raid, but moscow says it's unaware of providing any assistance. >>> president trump did not mince words in describing al baghdadi's death on sunday saying he was whimpering, crying and screaming as u.s. forces closed in. this video shows what the scene looked like after the raid nothing but rubble and debris. here's the just susquehanna susquehanna with more. >> the aim was to capture abu bakr al baghdadi and if we couldn't capture him, we were going to kill hi
the top isis members will try to fill. trump told the world in detail how he died during a military raid in syria. a source tells cnn he's may be disposed of at sea. the death was called a turning point in the fight against isis. however, the kurdish-led democratic forces say cur turkeys offensive delayed by more than a month. they are questioning whether the raid even happened and a spokesman says conflicting accounts about the operation raised questions and doubts about its existence and...
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shortly thereafter, isis fighters began escaping kurdish custody. the president was asked about all of that today. >> even after all you have seen, isis prisoners freed, all the humanitarian disaster, you don't have any regret for giving erdogan the green light? >> i didn't give him a green light. that's the same thing as you just -- when you make a statement like that, it's so deceptive. just the opposite of a green light. >> the opposite of a green light, which i guess would be a red light or red line, a stern warning not to invade perhaps or a decision not to pull the small number of american troops who were holding back the turks from invading and attacking the kurds, our allies in the fight against isis. but the president didn't draw a line in the sand red or otherwise. in fact in that same press conference he said he expected the turks to invade. >> no, president erdogan's decision didn't surprise me because he's wanted to do that for a long time. he's been building up troops on the border with syria for a long time, as you know. >> so he expe
shortly thereafter, isis fighters began escaping kurdish custody. the president was asked about all of that today. >> even after all you have seen, isis prisoners freed, all the humanitarian disaster, you don't have any regret for giving erdogan the green light? >> i didn't give him a green light. that's the same thing as you just -- when you make a statement like that, it's so deceptive. just the opposite of a green light. >> the opposite of a green light, which i guess would...
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let's start with isis. isis is first and last in ideology so we're under no illusions that it will go away just because we killed baghdadi. it will remain. suspected it will be disrupted at high level and take time to re-establish someone to lead the organization. and during that period of time their actions may be a little bit disjointed. they will be dangerous. we suspect they will try some form of retribution attack and we are postured and prepared for that. but we should recognize that, again, since it is an ideology you'll never be able to completely stamp it out and our definition of long-term success against isis and other entities like isis is not the complete absence of that ideology, but rather it is existence at a level for local security forces wherever in the world it exists can deal with it. there is no international connective tissue, there is no ability to attack our homeland and local forces perhaps with training and some assistance, perhaps without those things, is going to be able to supp
let's start with isis. isis is first and last in ideology so we're under no illusions that it will go away just because we killed baghdadi. it will remain. suspected it will be disrupted at high level and take time to re-establish someone to lead the organization. and during that period of time their actions may be a little bit disjointed. they will be dangerous. we suspect they will try some form of retribution attack and we are postured and prepared for that. but we should recognize that,...
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all oppose isis. all want to see the continued defeat of isis, first of all. >> but they have territory now. we see the russians walking in and iranians are there, too. this is your big enemy. >> it began as early as 2012, 2013. >> they would be iranians. >> because of the maximum pressure campaign, the iranians appear very desperate and would be willing, we assess, to start a fight in this region. we saw the september 14 aramco attacks we believe were the responsibility of iran. other european countries have said the same. for the first ever they struck saudi arabia in a state-to-state conflict. that would be something that would really destroy the region. >> i agree. as you know, many of the president's own party officials in the united states feel this is opening a territory to irani influence in this region. >>> i want to ask you lasted about war crimes. there are some horrendous reports of extrajudicial killings by those associated with the turkish offensive. you've had the "new york times" exper
all oppose isis. all want to see the continued defeat of isis, first of all. >> but they have territory now. we see the russians walking in and iranians are there, too. this is your big enemy. >> it began as early as 2012, 2013. >> they would be iranians. >> because of the maximum pressure campaign, the iranians appear very desperate and would be willing, we assess, to start a fight in this region. we saw the september 14 aramco attacks we believe were the responsibility...
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really appreciate that. >>> so with the leader of isis gone, what is next for isis? does al baghdadi's death cut the head off the snake, or will someone else simply step in and pick up where he left off? what's this? cindy, that cold's gonna keep you up all night. and tomorrow, you're gonna be a zombie! forget that, i'm taking a new nighttime cold medicine. ha! there's nothing new. 'fraid so. new mucinex nightshift cold & flu fights my worst symptoms so i can sleep great and wake up human. so, you don't want to be zombie. no, i've gotta work tomorrow. don't eat me, i taste terrible! new mucinex nightshift cold & flu. uniquely formulated to fight your worst symptoms so you can sleep great and wake up human. t-mobile's newest signal reaches farther than ever before... with more engineers, more towers, more coverage. it's a network that gives you... with coverage from big cities, to small towns. introducing t-mobile's 600mhz signal. no signal reaches farther or is more reliable. and it's built 5g ready. that could allow hackers devices into your home.ys and like all doo
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troops in the fight against isis, the defeat of isis. now we understand that many of those isis prisoners, many of the people who had ties to those isis prisoners, hundreds of them, in fact, are on the run. >> reporter: it's quite a chaotic situation, as you can imagine, in that part of the country. now, the syrian democratic forces, that mainly kurdish force backed by the united states, as you mentioned, they were the key and main partner in the fight against isis and the territorial defeat of the group in syria. now, they say -- they have been warning for days that while they face this operation, this -- what they call turkish aggression and invasion, they're not going to be able to focus on the fight against isis, concerns about the resurgence, sleeper cells that could take advantage of the vacuum and the chaotic situation. and on the other hand, they're also concerned about the situation when it comes to isis detainees. they have about 12,000 isis detainees. about 10,000 iraqis, about 2,000 from 50 different countries who are in thei
troops in the fight against isis, the defeat of isis. now we understand that many of those isis prisoners, many of the people who had ties to those isis prisoners, hundreds of them, in fact, are on the run. >> reporter: it's quite a chaotic situation, as you can imagine, in that part of the country. now, the syrian democratic forces, that mainly kurdish force backed by the united states, as you mentioned, they were the key and main partner in the fight against isis and the territorial...
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approximately 10,000 isis soldiers. that's what's at stake here. if they're having to defend themselves and those isis soldiers escape, we know full well what they'll be up to. the president said they'll migrate to europe. they may do that and they may engage in the same kind of aggressive violence they have committed to over a period of time. >> congressman denny heck. thank you so much for joining us today. >> you're welcome, brianna. >>> so just ahead, would president trump koomt with impeachment investigators if the republicans get a fair shake as he claims, or is it a smoke screen for more stonewalling? fi? you can go first. audible reintroduced this whole world to me. so many great stories from amazing people. makes me wanna be better. to connect with stories that i'm listening to- that's inspiration. with audible originals, there's something for almost every taste in there. everything you ever wanted to hear. our ability to empathize through these stories can be transformational. it's my own thing that i can do f
approximately 10,000 isis soldiers. that's what's at stake here. if they're having to defend themselves and those isis soldiers escape, we know full well what they'll be up to. the president said they'll migrate to europe. they may do that and they may engage in the same kind of aggressive violence they have committed to over a period of time. >> congressman denny heck. thank you so much for joining us today. >> you're welcome, brianna. >>> so just ahead, would president...
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there's a lot of concerns when it comes to the status of isis, isis detainees in northeastern syria. we have a classic case where the president is contradicting what his senior officials are saying. on the other hand, you have president trump saying only a small number of isis prisoners have escaped. and they have been mostly recaptured. we're hearing from senior officials, including james jeffrey, who is saying that more than 100 isis detainees have escaped. and they don't know where they are right now. there's a lot of concern voiced about the status of the fight against isis. you have two issues here. one, it comes to the actual fight. one, isis has been defeated. they lost the territory they use to control. but there's always that concern. they would be able to regroup. you have so many sleeper cells there and the concern is it was the syrian kurds who were the main fighting force on the ground. they suspended their operations, the fight against isis, because of the current situation. and then, there's the issue of the prisons and the camps. they're holding more than 12,000 isis
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this is a big blow to isis. >> reporter: absolutely. this is a man who offered the ideology and behind the way they piped down social media, the brutal gory images of violence, of suffering, of execution of western hostages over times and hundreds of iraqi army recruits. he honed their skills of spreading around the world the idea anybody with a twisted view of the world could join isis jihad and possibly with his death find the end of a chapter. but no mistake, something does still continue. we don't know what it is but we know that isis was fractured as an ideology and franchise and unlikely that one man's death will end from a stretch from philippines through russia and to the streets of european capitals but an interesting set of questions that the commander-in-chief will end up answering about how this raid came about. it was literally miles away from the southern turkish border, an area where many did not imagine abu bakr al-baghdadi, the leader of isis, would look for shelter. this is where al qaeda have the biggest strong hold,
this is a big blow to isis. >> reporter: absolutely. this is a man who offered the ideology and behind the way they piped down social media, the brutal gory images of violence, of suffering, of execution of western hostages over times and hundreds of iraqi army recruits. he honed their skills of spreading around the world the idea anybody with a twisted view of the world could join isis jihad and possibly with his death find the end of a chapter. but no mistake, something does still...
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now the isis leader is dead. does this sort of put a bow on the president's rationale for pulling troops out of syria? might this go a long way to convincing the american people it's time for those troops to leave, mission accomplished? >> people do take that perspective but i think it will be very shortsighted. simply killing a terrorist leader does not necessarily kill the organization. remember in 2016 a u.s. drone strike killed the leader of the taliban and the taliban are as much of a threat as ever in afghanistan. also remember in 2006, the u.s. joint special operations command killed and did that eliminate alqaida in iraq? no it didn't. it transformed alqaida in iraq to an islamic state and it became more powerful than ever and i'm quite worried that the details in syria right now -- isis still has something like 18,000 fighters between iraq and syria and they're ramping up operations after they're losing their cal fate. now i'm worried about what is going to fight isis now that president trump has decided
now the isis leader is dead. does this sort of put a bow on the president's rationale for pulling troops out of syria? might this go a long way to convincing the american people it's time for those troops to leave, mission accomplished? >> people do take that perspective but i think it will be very shortsighted. simply killing a terrorist leader does not necessarily kill the organization. remember in 2016 a u.s. drone strike killed the leader of the taliban and the taliban are as much of...
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you've talked with isis members as well. what do you think the solution is in terms of combating this terror group? >> i think first of all the way to honor their victims is to prevent more of them. and there are many, many steps we could be taking that we're not. for example, we could be stabilizing the region. i know people think nation building is like a bad term, but in a way it's very necessary to build up institutions, to build up moderate forces in the region, moderate military forces and government forces like maybe the kurds which isn't going so well right now. you know, processing prisoners and securing them. and something near and dear to my heart people don't really talk about is the deradicalization process. because you have these children who i've interviewed raised in isis schools and brainwashed and you throw them in an isis camp and you lead them just to ralicalize further. and there's no effort made on a therapeutic level, on any sort of level to deradicalize them and divert tlem from that path. i don't wan
you've talked with isis members as well. what do you think the solution is in terms of combating this terror group? >> i think first of all the way to honor their victims is to prevent more of them. and there are many, many steps we could be taking that we're not. for example, we could be stabilizing the region. i know people think nation building is like a bad term, but in a way it's very necessary to build up institutions, to build up moderate forces in the region, moderate military...
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forces isolating isis. the speed in which turkish incursion and pro-turkish forces developed in that incursion. at the same time, he was being briefed that the hunt for al baghdadi was closing in. he said that during his press conference. it was a remarkable admission, one that will lead many to question his precise motivation in all of that. he's left u.s. forces in an extraordinarily difficult position. they're trying to reclaim the fact c tactical strength when the incursion went on. on one hand, they were achieving the main goal of their campaign here, the death of baghdadi. almost like scoring a touchdown during a pitch invasion. it was absolutely startling to hear that admission. and there's one key question to be answered about all of this, what did turkey know and when? abu bakr al baghdadi was in a stronghold, about a handful of miles away from the turkish border, in an area where turkey has a lot of militia that controls and influences. they said they would be tough in the fight against isis. it i
forces isolating isis. the speed in which turkish incursion and pro-turkish forces developed in that incursion. at the same time, he was being briefed that the hunt for al baghdadi was closing in. he said that during his press conference. it was a remarkable admission, one that will lead many to question his precise motivation in all of that. he's left u.s. forces in an extraordinarily difficult position. they're trying to reclaim the fact c tactical strength when the incursion went on. on one...
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raid takes down the founder of isis. but can operations like this continue after the president pulled troops? i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get 2 months free. >>> the founder of isis killed in a u.s. operation in syria. but big concerns about what's next with the u.s. reducing its role in the region. >>> the impeachment program this week. a key witness on the schedule today. but will he show up? >>> all of california, now under a state of emergency. historic winds feeding wildfires. 200,000 people forced to flee. 1 million power customers in california, in the dark. welcome back to "early start" on a monday. 1:30 on the west coa
raid takes down the founder of isis. but can operations like this continue after the president pulled troops? i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of...
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what strength does isis still have left? did they get any intelligence at the compound that may lead them to clues about what they next need to go after? and u.s. troops, the president is leaving some in southern syria, some in those eastern oil fields. there's a lot of concern those troops especially need to be kept safe now. >> what are you learning about what the military plans to do with the remains of baghdadi? >> well, the national security advisor said on tv earlier today when he was asked what the protocol essentially would be, would it follow osama bin laden, who of course his dead body was put aboard a u.s. navy ship and that body was put into the sea in an undisclosed spot. the national security advisor said he expected the protocol would follow the same for baghdadi. i talked to another u.s. official who said that was the current word, that he would perhaps maybe most likely be buried at sea, so to speak. no confirmation by the administration yet. obviously they don't want to announce anything perhaps just yet ab
what strength does isis still have left? did they get any intelligence at the compound that may lead them to clues about what they next need to go after? and u.s. troops, the president is leaving some in southern syria, some in those eastern oil fields. there's a lot of concern those troops especially need to be kept safe now. >> what are you learning about what the military plans to do with the remains of baghdadi? >> well, the national security advisor said on tv earlier today...
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russia hates isis as much as the united states does. iran hates isis. i mean, we're fighting a war for russia, we're fighting a war for iran? you look at syria. syria hates isis. we're over there killing isis. don't forget, we're 7,000 miles away. so we're killing isis, we're 7,000 miles away. russia is much closer. iran is right there, turkey is right there. they all hate isis. turkey a little bit less so, but the others very much. russia had a plane blown up by isis. russia wants nothing to do with isis. russia's tough. they can kill isis just as well and they happen to be in their neighborhood. all i'm saying is this, i'm not going to lose potentially thousands and tens of thousands of american soldiers fighting a war between turkey and syria. syria's not our friend. assad is not our friend. that's the way it goes. >> you said you withdrew 28 troops. >> 28. they say it was 28. we thought it was 50 but it was about 28. nobody injured. listen, all accounted for, nobody injured, nobody missing. it's really nice. >> look at what's happened since those tr
russia hates isis as much as the united states does. iran hates isis. i mean, we're fighting a war for russia, we're fighting a war for iran? you look at syria. syria hates isis. we're over there killing isis. don't forget, we're 7,000 miles away. so we're killing isis, we're 7,000 miles away. russia is much closer. iran is right there, turkey is right there. they all hate isis. turkey a little bit less so, but the others very much. russia had a plane blown up by isis. russia wants nothing to...
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we have decimated isis. we defeated this group, 100% of the caliphate. >> we captured isis 1r00%. >> we totally defeated the caliphate. >> we just heard from nick peyton walsh that isis is going to benefit from this. what does this look like? >> isis is at bay. i think there is no question about that. and how do you turn this moment where turkey has not kept its word on one thing that has been asserted. it's gone forward with what was supposed to be a security mission that turkey pulled out of. then turkey has she would. they have also -- there is video of people taken out of cars and being executed. so the skwe what to see the united states do now. because there was great pressure on the islamic state. vmt as members of the isis who were being held prisoner there. i want to know, what does the united states do who have kept isis at bay? also how to keep the extremists ended, because the moms and dads mp at least in control. >> what do they do to help, if anything? gail tzemach lemon, thank you for your insi
we have decimated isis. we defeated this group, 100% of the caliphate. >> we captured isis 1r00%. >> we totally defeated the caliphate. >> we just heard from nick peyton walsh that isis is going to benefit from this. what does this look like? >> isis is at bay. i think there is no question about that. and how do you turn this moment where turkey has not kept its word on one thing that has been asserted. it's gone forward with what was supposed to be a security mission...
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isis, too, they can handle it. and they should handle it we can fight our own battles on our own territories, but you have a lot of countries over there that hate isis as much as we do. in some cases probably more. so they can take care of isis. we have them captured. the united states cap cured them. some were released just for effect to make us look a little bit like, oh, gee, we got to get right back in there. but you have a lot of countries over there that have power and that hate isis very much as much as we do. so i think we're in a very strategically good position. i know fake news doesn't make it look that way. we removed all of our as we said 50 soldiers but much less than 50 soldiers. they are now in a very safe location heading into an even safer location and we will help negotiate. we have tremendously powerful sancti sanctions. our country has become economic ally much more powerful than it ever was. we picked up trillions and trillions in worth. the market was up big yesterday. it will be up big today
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we can't let isis rebuild. and the turmoil and the chaos this is going to create will create a situation in which isis can rebuild and for me i remember september 11th, 2001 and seeing the beheading and people set on fire by isis. and that is an important issue that unfortunately i don't think is getting enough attention right now. >> it is a critically important issue. before i let you go, let me get your thoughts. the president today compared the entire impeachment inquiry against him to a lynching. he used that word "lynching." you're the only african-american republican serving in the house of representatives. what is your reaction when you hear that word lynching, this comparison? >> well, it is a crazy statement and shouldn't have been said and shows a leave of insensitivity to a horrific period in our history of our country. and this is one of the things that -- stop using this kind of language because it takes away from the message. but also it contributes to this notion that republicans are not underst
we can't let isis rebuild. and the turmoil and the chaos this is going to create will create a situation in which isis can rebuild and for me i remember september 11th, 2001 and seeing the beheading and people set on fire by isis. and that is an important issue that unfortunately i don't think is getting enough attention right now. >> it is a critically important issue. before i let you go, let me get your thoughts. the president today compared the entire impeachment inquiry against him...
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we're talking about 12,000 hardened isis fighters, tens of thousands of family members of isis fighters, many of whom are also deeply radicalized. if the kurdish fighting force who are responsible for upholding the fortitude of those prisons are now being yanked to the front lines, it is not unreasonable to speculate you could see the resurgence of isis sleeper cells, that you could also see potentially prison breaks occurring, people escaping and essentially radicals taking advantage of the security vacuum that many fear will be caused by this military operation. >> clarissa ward reporting for us from northern syria, thank you. >>> and the president is getting hammered for pulling u.s. troops out of northeastern syria. it is a rare lawmaker republican or democrat who sees wisdom, be it great or unmatched as the president said in this move. uling u.s. troops from a low risk high reward operation that has been going on for years now with few u.s. casualties and a lot of success keeping isis at bay. senator lindsey graham said, quote, if media reports are accurate and turkey has entered n
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these oil fields provided isis with a bulk of finances used to fund its terror. u.s. troops will remain positioned to deny access to those vital resources. we'll respond with military force it. they also reported a critical finding to the sdf. last week i was in before us sells for the nato defense ministerial, and i spoke with our allies about the situation in syria. i reiterated our commitment to the defeat of isis and called on other nations who have much at stake to offer their support to help mitigate the ongoing security crisis. torture kurkey continues to bea responsibility. a number of other allies have expressed their desire to help, which includes a safe zone. >> baghdadi's death will not rid the world of ter richld and provide a warning to terrorists who think they can hide. the urchls more than any other nation, sthins, both who wish to bring harm to the american foam tm that is one example of our strength of the u.s. military. >> good afternoon, everyone. as the secretary so stated, the united states special operations forces under the command and control
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soldiers in the fight against isis. for those women and children that you have interviewed extensively, you just saw pictures of them with you in northern syria, what does this mean for them. >> you know, it's an excellent question, poppy. right now question marks are really all anybody has because the truth is that this was really a by, with and through, a partner force, a policy that has been a real success story. a fragile, endangered, but very real success story for the trump administration. i met one shopkeeper in raqqah who talked to me about how this was a new time for women in raqqah, that they were coming out. local security forces were the ones providing security. and as you say, 10,000 local forces died. and while every gold star family is a tragedy, isis. retaking a territory the size of britain. so you see that people are trying to figure out what comes next. >> you have talked to the administration. you've been to the white house. you know, you have lent your expertise. have you talked to the white house i
soldiers in the fight against isis. for those women and children that you have interviewed extensively, you just saw pictures of them with you in northern syria, what does this mean for them. >> you know, it's an excellent question, poppy. right now question marks are really all anybody has because the truth is that this was really a by, with and through, a partner force, a policy that has been a real success story. a fragile, endangered, but very real success story for the trump...
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these are not just random isis captives. we've just sort of unleashed a terrorist threat that we had contained for the time being. that is therefore going to increase the threat not only to our homeland but obviously to our nato allies in the west. >> thankfully so far there has not been a prison break, per se, but officials will tell you that it is really just a matter of time. thank you very much. >>> now as the controversy over the president's dealings with ukraine consumed washington, one of the diplomats at the center of this all will testify on kill this week. could his testimony endanger the president? >>> first, here's alison kosik with this week's "before the bell". >> investors are preparing for a flood of corporate earnings and they may not be pretty. stocks have held up reasonably well this year, but weak corporate results could give investors a reason to pull back. earnings for s&p 500 companies are expected to decline for a third straight quarter. that hasn't happened since 2015. the u.s./china trade war is a b
these are not just random isis captives. we've just sort of unleashed a terrorist threat that we had contained for the time being. that is therefore going to increase the threat not only to our homeland but obviously to our nato allies in the west. >> thankfully so far there has not been a prison break, per se, but officials will tell you that it is really just a matter of time. thank you very much. >>> now as the controversy over the president's dealings with ukraine consumed...
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isis is broken, but they're not done. you still have about 20,000 isis fighters throughout syria and iraq. and let me be clear, i'm getting baghdadi's off the chess board is significant and he was responsibility for the loss of many lives and this is a great victory for the men and women in our special forces and intelligence and allies and i think this is an operation that is example of how you have to have allies and resources on the ground to get this done. so i want to make sure that we are able to enjoy and celebrate these kind of operations in the feature and that is why i think we have to change our policy because of the decision to pull out of northern syria. i think it is a -- incredibly bad decision. it is going to impact our allies. our allies are already questioning that whether they could trust us. the iraqi president, i think this weekend or yesterday, said that he doesn't trust the u.s. and the coalition. you have the japanese government not participating in a u.s.-led effort to protect ships in waters in t
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isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi was killed in a raid, u.s. forces using the cover of night after tracking him down at a secret compound near the border with turkey. the white house issuing this photo showing a moment inside the situation room during the raid. al baghdadi's death is being seen as a deathly blow to isis. the president went into explicit details about abu baghdadi's death. >> he went into the turn whimpering and screaming. he was a sick and depraved man. and now he's gone. baghdadi was vicious and violent, and he died in a vicious and violent way as a coward, running and crying. this raid was impeccable and could only have taken place with the acknowledgment and help of certain other nations and people. i want to thank the nations of russia, turkey, syria and iraq, and i also want to thank the syrian kurds for certain support they were able to give us. >> all right, let's begin with cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, a lot to dig into here. also admiral john kirby with us. he's our diplomatic analyst. barbara, wh
isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi was killed in a raid, u.s. forces using the cover of night after tracking him down at a secret compound near the border with turkey. the white house issuing this photo showing a moment inside the situation room during the raid. al baghdadi's death is being seen as a deathly blow to isis. the president went into explicit details about abu baghdadi's death. >> he went into the turn whimpering and screaming. he was a sick and depraved man. and now he's gone....
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special forces cornered isis leader al baghd baghdadi. that building as you can see where he was hiding is now flattened. ground video shows remnants of his life, clothing, pots and pans, even children's toys. sources tell cnn his body will be disposed at sea. it reportedly shows the compound being destroyed after the terrorist leader's death. >> he died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way. he died like a dog. he died like a coward. we had absolutely perfect as though you were watching a movie. >> democrats are praising the raid but criticizing the president for giving the russians advanced notice of the mission while they were left in the dark. last night president trump attended game five of the world series in washington. he was greeted with boos and chance of "lock him up" by the crowd. [ chanting "lock him up." >>> al baghdadi's death comes a critical time for the president as the impeachment inquiry accelerating. >>> let's bring in matt boot and bianna golodryga and phil mudd. phil,
special forces cornered isis leader al baghd baghdadi. that building as you can see where he was hiding is now flattened. ground video shows remnants of his life, clothing, pots and pans, even children's toys. sources tell cnn his body will be disposed at sea. it reportedly shows the compound being destroyed after the terrorist leader's death. >> he died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way. he died like a dog. he died like a coward. we had...
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forces in isis? send troops to fight isis? >> if we put our men in harm's way, they're risking their actual lives, these leaders have lose their political live careers. >> it's great to be with you, jim. >> we are getting some critical headlines from the white house, the president if that meeting with italy's president, some important news on the situation in syria. those right after the break. managing type 2 diabetes? audrey's on it. eating right and staying active? on it! audrey thinks she's doing all she can to manage her type 2 diabetes and heart disease, but is her treatment doing enough to lower her heart risk? [sfx: crash of football players colliding off-camera.] maybe not. jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. and it lowers a1c. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast or urinary tract infections, and sudden kidney problems. ketoacidosis is a serious side ef
forces in isis? send troops to fight isis? >> if we put our men in harm's way, they're risking their actual lives, these leaders have lose their political live careers. >> it's great to be with you, jim. >> we are getting some critical headlines from the white house, the president if that meeting with italy's president, some important news on the situation in syria. those right after the break. managing type 2 diabetes? audrey's on it. eating right and staying active? on it!...
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there are 2,000 isis fighters. and the kurds warned the united states, going back months that they did not have the resources to secure these prisons. especially in the event and they saw this coming of a turkish invasion. and now we're seeing there have been escapes from these prisons. last month baghdadi had called upon his supporters to break down the walls of their prisons, and free their brethren. this is a golden opportunity now for isis to do exactly that. because now there is a vacuum as the kurds are rushing to counter the turkish invasion. they simply don't have the wherewithal to secure the prisons in addition to the camps where there are as many as 70,000 women and children. who also have created within these camps, sort of a micro cosm of isis itself, where they haven't posed harsh laws that isis ruled before including the execution of those who don't tow the line. >> we saw those women, those children in arwa damon's own reporting just last month. a bleak picture and this all happened because of a dec
there are 2,000 isis fighters. and the kurds warned the united states, going back months that they did not have the resources to secure these prisons. especially in the event and they saw this coming of a turkish invasion. and now we're seeing there have been escapes from these prisons. last month baghdadi had called upon his supporters to break down the walls of their prisons, and free their brethren. this is a golden opportunity now for isis to do exactly that. because now there is a vacuum...
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and just because one man is dead doesn't mean that isis, there is about 18,000 other isis militants still in the region and as we've heard from the secretary of defense esper that the u.s. troops will remain there and there is question and ambiguity about our future role there would be and i think it is assuring to know we'll continue to be there. >> how significant is the death of abu bakr al baghdadi from your perspective. you spent time at the fbi and clearly concerned about terrorism? >> absolutely. it is a huge victory for the united states and the forces who undertook this operation should be thanked and all americans should appreciate what they did and the president should get credit for authorizing it because it was a legitimate thing to do. it's going to have i think a significant impact on the organization. but some of the comments yesterday i was concerned about the longer that press statement or press conference went on i think those statements could have been interpreted in the region and misused by some to further embolden people to be involved in this kind of activity. >> o
and just because one man is dead doesn't mean that isis, there is about 18,000 other isis militants still in the region and as we've heard from the secretary of defense esper that the u.s. troops will remain there and there is question and ambiguity about our future role there would be and i think it is assuring to know we'll continue to be there. >> how significant is the death of abu bakr al baghdadi from your perspective. you spent time at the fbi and clearly concerned about terrorism?...
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presence across the middle east to fight isis? to prevent a resurgence of isis? that is actually what u.s. troops were doing in syria. they had no involvement in the kurdish/turkish fight. they were there to try and continue the effort to defeat isis. the only question in terms of that situation now may well be how fast isis comes back. you have an awful lot of shady characters moving around in syria right now. isis, al qaeda, turkish forces are on the move. russian forces are on the move. syrian forces are on the move. it remains very dangerous and isis sees that and may be able very quickly to exploit it. >> colonel, do you agree and how quickly might they exploit it? >> oh, i absolutely agree with what barbara just said. this is the proverbial vacuum isis is looking for. as far as how quickly they'll be able to do it, brooke, they can do it basically within days if not weeks. they'll go incrementally to an extent, but if they can find a way to have a spectacular attack, isis will do so. mount a spectacular attack against our forces, syrian or turkish forces do
presence across the middle east to fight isis? to prevent a resurgence of isis? that is actually what u.s. troops were doing in syria. they had no involvement in the kurdish/turkish fight. they were there to try and continue the effort to defeat isis. the only question in terms of that situation now may well be how fast isis comes back. you have an awful lot of shady characters moving around in syria right now. isis, al qaeda, turkish forces are on the move. russian forces are on the move....
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because this gives isis an opportunity for resurgence. this is not a strategic success. >> let's look at the facts on the ground. based on the intelligence we have, the reporting we have of the 11,000 or so detainees that were imprisoned in northeast syria, we've only had reports of a little bit more than a hundred have escaped. the sdf and we remain in contact with them are maintaining guards over top of the prisons they have control of. right now we have not seen this big prison break we all expected. that's the good news piece. with regard to the other part, i'll be meeting with my allies, the united states allies in brussels in the coming days. we're going to have a specific session on what do we do with the defeat isis campaign now that's in the new phase to ensure we can maintain pressure on isis so that it doesn't resurge? >> in a new phase, some would say you have, i don't know, willingly ended the success on isis. you heard what general petraeus just said. it's not really a new phase. the metrics are not about territory, are they
because this gives isis an opportunity for resurgence. this is not a strategic success. >> let's look at the facts on the ground. based on the intelligence we have, the reporting we have of the 11,000 or so detainees that were imprisoned in northeast syria, we've only had reports of a little bit more than a hundred have escaped. the sdf and we remain in contact with them are maintaining guards over top of the prisons they have control of. right now we have not seen this big prison break...
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it's hard to know at this point really what the future remains for isis. but at the same time, there are tens of thousands of fighters that belong to the organization that are still alive and have the opportunity to coalesce. >> joby, how concerned do you think -- or how much concern should there be in the united states, in europe, elsewhere about potential retaliatory attacks or even in the region? >> i think we can almost guarantee that something's going to happen because this is a moment when the islamic state is going to have to show it's still relevant. so whatever's left, whatever core leadership is out there is going to be urging its followers to do something. and we're seeing that already online just in the last 24 hours. there have been some messages and some posters put out. they have these very sort of graphic posters, you know, calling on their followers to attack individual cities in the u.s., to attack washington or new york or other places. so they're going to want to show themselves as being still relevant. and as nada points out, this is a
it's hard to know at this point really what the future remains for isis. but at the same time, there are tens of thousands of fighters that belong to the organization that are still alive and have the opportunity to coalesce. >> joby, how concerned do you think -- or how much concern should there be in the united states, in europe, elsewhere about potential retaliatory attacks or even in the region? >> i think we can almost guarantee that something's going to happen because this is...
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isis moving in there. of course, we are running out of time about the impeachment investigation into the president. there are multiple current and former officials to testify this week. one is eu ambassador sondland. according to "the washington post" he is going to testify that this key text message exchange was directly dictated to him from president trump and that sondland is going to say he doesn't know if the president was telling him the truth or not. what do you do with that, congressman? what does that mean to the investigation? >> i think what it means is a lot of information is being gathered that will clearly implicate president trump putting together an extortion racket to try to extort, to strong-arm, to bully the new ukraine president into doing the president's bidding. that is, to try to dig up dirt on the 2016 election. what was that -- what was president zelensky to do when the president of the united states, the most powerful man in the world, says i'd like you to do a favor, though. well
isis moving in there. of course, we are running out of time about the impeachment investigation into the president. there are multiple current and former officials to testify this week. one is eu ambassador sondland. according to "the washington post" he is going to testify that this key text message exchange was directly dictated to him from president trump and that sondland is going to say he doesn't know if the president was telling him the truth or not. what do you do with that,...
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to defeat isis in syria. and that is why you're seeing republicans come out and say we cannot be doing this right now. >> kylie atwood with that. thank you very much. >>> let's get some more on all of this. truly dramatic developments, democratic congressman raja krishnonoorthi of illinois is joining us, a member of the intelligence and oversight committee. thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with the breaking news that the house intelligence committee is considering taking what are being described as extreme measures to conceal the whistle-blower's identity including limiting the presence of staff and members during testimony and disguising the individual's image and voice. do you think all of that is necessary? >> well, we're kind of in an unusual situation where the president is basically threatening the whistle-blower. we've heard the various pieces of rhetoric that he's directed toward the whistle-blower. he wants to know the identity of the whistle-blower. and so this extremely unusual sit
to defeat isis in syria. and that is why you're seeing republicans come out and say we cannot be doing this right now. >> kylie atwood with that. thank you very much. >>> let's get some more on all of this. truly dramatic developments, democratic congressman raja krishnonoorthi of illinois is joining us, a member of the intelligence and oversight committee. thank you so much for joining us. i want to start with the breaking news that the house intelligence committee is...
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military has acknowledged taking two isis, high-profile isis prisoners, members of the british isis execution cell known as the beetles. the u.s. military has acknowledged taking those two individuals into custody, holding them outside of syria. but the kurdish-led syrian democratic forces were holding some 10,000 isis members prisoner, including 2,000 foreign fighters, several hundred of which are from europe. so not clear exactly what the president's talking about, because two out of 10,000 is a relatively small number. but again, the fear of those isis prisoners escaping is one reason that many are concerned about the withdrawal of u.s. troops, as turkey has attacked several kurdish detention facilities. there are reports that some isis members have been able to escape. and so, again, the withdrawal of u.s. troops really paralyzing the u.s. fight against isis and risking the gains against that terror group, as the kurds now seek help from russia and the syrian regime to help defend them from the turkish attack. so, a lot of chaos on the ground in syria as news of the u.s. pullout has been
military has acknowledged taking two isis, high-profile isis prisoners, members of the british isis execution cell known as the beetles. the u.s. military has acknowledged taking those two individuals into custody, holding them outside of syria. but the kurdish-led syrian democratic forces were holding some 10,000 isis members prisoner, including 2,000 foreign fighters, several hundred of which are from europe. so not clear exactly what the president's talking about, because two out of 10,000...