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smith, foot pursuit and sued shots were fired some shot strikes smith. >> we don't know the >> amount right now or how many has still under investigation. but smith was then taken into custody without further incident. smith was transported to a local hospital or is under guard being treated for his injuries at this point? >> police say 32 year-old jaremy smith killed the officer who had stopped to help him. and then the suspect drove off in the officers patrol car with the officers still inside, joining me right now, i see an a national correspondent, camila bernal. so what more do we know about the investigation >> hey, friends. so it was actually a gas station clerk that's spotted jaremy smith. this morning at around 07:00 a.m. local time, she called authorities and then what we're told is that at some point office the search found him walking. they established a perimeter eventually, there was a chase and those deputies shot smith. he was then taken into custody as you heard, the sheriff there explaining& this all comes just two days after authorities say he shot and killed office
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jack smith mean for trump? >> well, erin, what you're seeing is prosecutors trying to find a way to box out the former president and his legal team. because as you as you noted, what they're trying to do is delay this to the point where it makes it impossible for tanya chutkan and the dc trial to find find room on the calendar. they know that obviously, given the fact that this that the that the immunity question is now before the supreme court we anticipate that what they're going to do is look for something that will make sure that that the dc judge doesn't have room on the calendar between now and november to sketch chilling new trial. and so what jack smith is doing here in making this request is trying to at least have the judge in in in florida put a put on the calendar a date of july 8th. now, we don't know whether she'll go for this. there are a lot of complicated issues because this has to do with classified info aileen cannon, the judge, there has pretty much been been helpful with the former presiden
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basically, it appears that smith wants to move forward with the documents case as quickly as possible after suffering a major setback from the supreme court on his january free sixth case against trump. trump, his team is, you know, for their part using now they're trying time tested strategy of delay, delay, delay. they've just filed a motion just moments ago and it reads in part a fair trial cannot be held until after the 2024 presidential election is concluded. that is the entirety of trump's strategy in these cases, push everything until after the election. that way, if he wins in november, you can appoint an attorney general who can toss these federal cases out. evan perez is outfront live in washington, so evan, what does this new move by jack smith mean for trump? >> well, erin, what you're seeing is prosecutors trying to find a way to box out the president, the former president, and his legal team, because as you as you noted, what they're trying to do is delay this to the point where it makes it impossible for tanya chutkan and the dc trial to find room on the calendar. they
basically, it appears that smith wants to move forward with the documents case as quickly as possible after suffering a major setback from the supreme court on his january free sixth case against trump. trump, his team is, you know, for their part using now they're trying time tested strategy of delay, delay, delay. they've just filed a motion just moments ago and it reads in part a fair trial cannot be held until after the 2024 presidential election is concluded. that is the entirety of...
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feet jack smith drag his feet. you got to remember i wasn't part of this case during the investigative phases. they could have brought this indictment much earlier. they didn't at the time we had mar-a-lago, which was going very fast that's a lot of activity. january 6, which was sitting there pretty much at a standstill. all the sudden, he brings his snap indictment and all of a sudden the next few weeks realize, oh, shoot, i forgot to interview a whole bunch of witnesses. the timing of the indictment is something that's control. another thing >> all right. we'll leave it there doj are >> confusion. like that? >> well, we'll leave it there with the two of you on that one. does that conversation i think it doesn't matter. it's doj >> i think that's a longer conversation. we'll have to continue another de elie, mr.. tim parlatore. thank you both very much >> thank you. >> and next, the dual at the border, the rhetoric, the promises, and biden's dare her to donald trump standby >> my best reputation is ruined. >> it'
feet jack smith drag his feet. you got to remember i wasn't part of this case during the investigative phases. they could have brought this indictment much earlier. they didn't at the time we had mar-a-lago, which was going very fast that's a lot of activity. january 6, which was sitting there pretty much at a standstill. all the sudden, he brings his snap indictment and all of a sudden the next few weeks realize, oh, shoot, i forgot to interview a whole bunch of witnesses. the timing of the...
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jack smith has moved expeditiously. so trump is doing what any defendant would do in that case, but he'd run out of time if garland had gotten off the dime. that's the bottom line. what else? i love this part of the show, you know, i do if people don't vote third party, this cycle, they never will. i have to say, eric in god if i'm talking about the 2028 election, i'm not talking about third-party candidacies. if this cycle doesn't at least produce a legitimate three-way or three-way plus contest where somebody gets on the debate stage, right? allah? ross perot, then i to give up, i to give up because this, according to all the data is the cycle where people are yearning. gallup says a plurality or independence than not publicans or democrats. people want a choice. >> give it to them. one more. if i've got time not closing the border will cost biden the election. he cannot win private account. i got to say that poll today, the combination of the gallup data and mohammad yunus, the editor in chief, dissected it for us. a
jack smith has moved expeditiously. so trump is doing what any defendant would do in that case, but he'd run out of time if garland had gotten off the dime. that's the bottom line. what else? i love this part of the show, you know, i do if people don't vote third party, this cycle, they never will. i have to say, eric in god if i'm talking about the 2028 election, i'm not talking about third-party candidacies. if this cycle doesn't at least produce a legitimate three-way or three-way plus...
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jack smith is now suggesting that they move the start date for that trial in the classified documents case down in mar-a-lago, a move that comes just one day after the justices slam the brakes on the case against trump and washington for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results late this evening, the special counsel's office filed this new motion that you're seeing here, asking for donald trump and two of his co-defendants to stand trial beginning july the 8th one other co-defendant, a little bit after that, the special counsel's team wants to get basically at least one case heard before election day in november. trump's legal team responded with a now familiar retort saying that a fair trial cannot be held until after the 2024 presidential election is concluded. i'm quoting them but they did offer another date this year and the judge who has been mired in some controversy in this case, judge aileen cannon is expected to hash it out in a >> hearing tomorrow in florida that could be critical to the future of the classified documents case i'm joined tonight by an attorney who u
jack smith is now suggesting that they move the start date for that trial in the classified documents case down in mar-a-lago, a move that comes just one day after the justices slam the brakes on the case against trump and washington for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results late this evening, the special counsel's office filed this new motion that you're seeing here, asking for donald trump and two of his co-defendants to stand trial beginning july the 8th one other co-defendant, a...
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jack smith wants it sooner. the defense later. it says it won't be fair unless it's much later as an after the election and john keynes election year journey all over the map, taking him to pennsylvania tonight to see how seniors view a race between the two oldest presidential candidates ever good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with immigration, the issue americans now called their top concern according to recent polling. today, president biden and former president trump made dueling visits. the texas southern border, biden to brownsville, trump to eagle pass, to cities about 300 miles apart. two candidates who each in his own way has failed to fill fix a broken and severely overburdened border security and asylum system. president biden and many believed by omission, by not making the problem enough of a priority until recently, even after a year of increasing numbers of people crossing the border and rising border encounters which set new records and don't trump by commission. he's actively
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jack smith's investigators sought you out. how many times did you think you've have you talked to investigators now? >> a probably between 4.5 times. >> can we talk about what started all of this, which is the boxes, i mean, trump was clearly obsessed with these boxes at one point in the indictment, someone refers to them as his beautiful mind paper. >> what >> was known among the employees about about why he cared about these boxes so much for you guys. >> did you talk about them? >> i never talked about them. i really didn't even know what was going on until the investigation. i started reading in the news, employees were getting interviewed the indictment to june 3. he goes back home. he went back home. we had moved a bunch of stuff, the belongings, everything. >> that's when he's going from spinning his time in palm beach to spending his time in bedminster, new jersey that is correct >> so we are there to assist with luggage, anything that needs to go to the plane. so in since i ran the car service, i had employees come to
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>> i think what jack smith is motivated by is not november. i think it's by june which is the end of the supreme court's term. and i think all he's thinking about is making sure that there's no ambiguity whatsoever about what the supreme court said. so the one thing we know that is that by the end of june, the supreme court will have rolled one way or another on this executive immunity claim and this trial is set for one to proposed date is one week after the close of the immunity thing. >> we always talk about it in the realm of the election interference case. but trump's also claiming that in the classified documents case and you heard jim trusty saying there that he thinks he can have an argument on part of it, but it's also the willful retention in the obstruction of the efforts to investigate to try to get them back. that is also at play here and also trump was not an office. can argue presidential immunity if he was two years out of the office. >> yeah, absolutely. so like even under the nixon versus fitzgerald case for says than the lan
>> i think what jack smith is motivated by is not november. i think it's by june which is the end of the supreme court's term. and i think all he's thinking about is making sure that there's no ambiguity whatsoever about what the supreme court said. so the one thing we know that is that by the end of june, the supreme court will have rolled one way or another on this executive immunity claim and this trial is set for one to proposed date is one week after the close of the immunity thing....
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so if that holds true, jack smith would then just be starting. let's say we get that vision and it goes against president trump's claims. now, the case goes, starts moving forward again. you have about another three months of pretrial machinations before that thing could finally get in front of a jury. so that puts him with something else to do in july and he's now trying to squeeze mar-lago in there. >> well, he is saying jack, they're saying july 8th, the trump team says they want to ask the election, but they're also saying, well, also maybe august 12, is it what is the tactical advantage to that date >> so like jack smith, they're asking for the world they wanted after the election. they know they're not going to get that. they asked for that once before earlier in this case, and that was rejected. so now they're saying if you're going to put it on before, let's have it start on august 12th. coincidentally, august is the month that the dc case could possibly if everything goes right for jack smith, could possibly get on the calendar, but not
so if that holds true, jack smith would then just be starting. let's say we get that vision and it goes against president trump's claims. now, the case goes, starts moving forward again. you have about another three months of pretrial machinations before that thing could finally get in front of a jury. so that puts him with something else to do in july and he's now trying to squeeze mar-lago in there. >> well, he is saying jack, they're saying july 8th, the trump team says they want to...
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jack smith's case didn't happen overnight. we went through an entire months of the jan. sixth hearings, grand jury testimony, and then finally indict an indictment pretty late in the game. so they knew when they when they when they brought this indictment, that they were gonna be up against it on a timeline and that there were going to be appeals in both interlocutory appeals, which are intermediate appeals that could be immediately taken up to the supreme court and then appeals after the fact after judgments rendered. so it's part of the process the justice system doesn't spin fast. this one in particular, though, given where jack smith's case was when it was filed, is probably moving along faster than most other federal cases. he in philadelphia, we have we have a number of criminal trials. would it be going on for four or five criminal cases that going on? for four or five years in the political corruption room >> all right. jim schultz. thank you very much. i want to go back to joan, who's onset with us, joan, you wanted to weigh in on something? >> i did. do you kno
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jack smith's team wants it to begin in july. donald trump's team has counted for august, but neither case, it could begin as early as this summer and we could get that date etched at least a little bit in stone shortly. in the meantime, today, a georgia community will gather to say goodbye to a 22 year-old nursing student, laken riley. riley was killed last week while jogging near a lake on the university of georgia campus. the man suspected in her death has been charged with murder in his currently behind bars. he entered the us illegally which has sparked a national debate about border curie. just in elon musk sued open ai and its ceo for breach of contract must says that openai, which runs cheche tbt, diverge from his mission to develop artificial intelligence for the benefit of humanity by cutting a $10 billion deal with microsoft and keeping new coding secret musk cofounded openai in 2015, but left in 2018 is set up his own ai company, openai has not responded to cnn's request for comment. >> so it is lights out for the lun
jack smith's team wants it to begin in july. donald trump's team has counted for august, but neither case, it could begin as early as this summer and we could get that date etched at least a little bit in stone shortly. in the meantime, today, a georgia community will gather to say goodbye to a 22 year-old nursing student, laken riley. riley was killed last week while jogging near a lake on the university of georgia campus. the man suspected in her death has been charged with murder in his...
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detriment of the integrity of the case speed, he might weigh in if you're really talking about jack smith says, hey, i'm ready to go two weeks before the election. garland might say that just looks bad for us. so there's still some possibility that might happen, even despite what jay bratt saying, i heard you saying aha, judge, i'm i'm guessing if merrick garland did that and we're obviously they talking in hypotheticals here. there would be just a little bit of blowback from people in his party. >> there'd be a lot of glue back. there'll be a lot of blowback. i think that that if they tried to start sometime in september knowing they'd be finished in october. i think that would be okay. anything that would carry the case beyond and election day, that's going to be a problem. and i think the american ireland will have to step in and say the policy applies. >> but let's broaden this out a little bit and just to give our viewers a sense that they can look at some of what we're talking about on a calendar. first, let's just start with later. what is now this month? we're in march. march 25.
detriment of the integrity of the case speed, he might weigh in if you're really talking about jack smith says, hey, i'm ready to go two weeks before the election. garland might say that just looks bad for us. so there's still some possibility that might happen, even despite what jay bratt saying, i heard you saying aha, judge, i'm i'm guessing if merrick garland did that and we're obviously they talking in hypotheticals here. there would be just a little bit of blowback from people in his...
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she said that she thought jack smith's proposed schedule to start in july was unrealistic. if you're jack smith, how are you taking what happened in the courtroom today >> well, part of it is the realization that the trial is probably not going to happen in july but you have in that case, the former president's attorneys saying, well, we could technically have a trial in august. and so i think you're still not giving up hope for the possibility of infact having a trial this summer. i think that's really the focus right now. no one has said otherwise. and you at least have the other party that's conceding the possibility that could occur. >> and did that make sense to you? because what we've heard heard from all of trump's attorneys, the ones who have been on this program, they've said there's no way this trial so complicated and dealing with classified information could happen before the election. but yet his attorneys are now proposing a date that is in august well before the election well it can occur quite simply. the classified information. in fact, that the judge has p
she said that she thought jack smith's proposed schedule to start in july was unrealistic. if you're jack smith, how are you taking what happened in the courtroom today >> well, part of it is the realization that the trial is probably not going to happen in july but you have in that case, the former president's attorneys saying, well, we could technically have a trial in august. and so i think you're still not giving up hope for the possibility of infact having a trial this summer. i...
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smith's decision-making? >> but you are qualified to say, what are the normal procedures followed by a special counsel, correct? >> i'm familiar with the rules as set forth in the justice manual and my understanding of how to apply them. >> and in fact, what you did correct. okay. >> so >> i would suggest that we can all assume that the fact that mr. trump was charged with multiple counts of willfully concealing classified documents suggests that the special counsel in that case determined that mr. trump's denials are not credible? at this point, i would ask you nancymace consent to enter into the record an excerpt from the committee's transcribed transcribed interview with steven d'antuono, former assistant director in charge of the fbi, washington field office on july 7, 2023 in which he explained the urgency for the fbi to retrieve and secure and classified documents from donald trump's estate because they contain national security information that should not be viewed by anyone without the proper security
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even some of the members because of jack smith's team and jack smith was in the courtroom today, they react to when people stand up and make different points before the judge. >> now the thing about judge cannon know is she's very hard to read and she doesn't often tip her hand. this is the one of the first hearings where we have seen her really side or at least indicates did she was going to side one way or another and she did follow that with an order, at least on one of these motions shortly after the hearing. >> and is it clear when she's going to decide the trump team's other arguments for dismissal no judges can take however much time they need to make a decision. >> but >> the every time that there is a delay in judge cannon issuing an order on one of these motions. trump is making. that's the longer it goes before everyone can set the table for the trial and to see how that will shape up. and anderson we should add this is two motions where trump is asking to dismiss the case by my count, there are seven more of these that could be argued from both he and his two co-defendants
even some of the members because of jack smith's team and jack smith was in the courtroom today, they react to when people stand up and make different points before the judge. >> now the thing about judge cannon know is she's very hard to read and she doesn't often tip her hand. this is the one of the first hearings where we have seen her really side or at least indicates did she was going to side one way or another and she did follow that with an order, at least on one of these motions...
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i mean, the idea that it's unconstitutional for jack smith to be supervising this case. it's completely justice department employee. we but but all of them i have to be decided before a trial date takes place, and she hasn't said a trial date and this case continues to be on a slow boat to nowhere. >> judge gertner. i mean, judge cannon only denied one to the former president's motions to dismiss charges that typical that she would decide only one will nothing about the way she's handling the case is typical. so these are motions that could have been disposed of quickly these emotions that are not raising issues that are extraordinary and they could have been disposed of it quickly. and what she's done is she's allowing lengthy hearings on motions that really could be just taken care of. and if she does that with respect to the others, then we are talking about a delay. what is interesting about what she said though? is that she's kicking all of this to the trial itself. and the trial would could well be a mess, allowing trump to raise defenses that really no one else wo
i mean, the idea that it's unconstitutional for jack smith to be supervising this case. it's completely justice department employee. we but but all of them i have to be decided before a trial date takes place, and she hasn't said a trial date and this case continues to be on a slow boat to nowhere. >> judge gertner. i mean, judge cannon only denied one to the former president's motions to dismiss charges that typical that she would decide only one will nothing about the way she's handling...
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that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place he's before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed as well. >> all of this persecution is only happening because i am running for president and leading very substantially in the polls. >> trump's attorneys did concede if the trial has to go forward before the election, they would be okay with starting august 12. cannon noted that trump's upcoming criminal case in new york must be considered as she schedules this one. march 25th, trump's hush money trial begins in new york and is expected to last four to six weeks and already busy court schedule for the former president trump today, prosecutors answered a question that's been hanging over these federal cases and that was just
that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place he's before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed as well. >> all of this persecution is only happening because i am running...
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and they have already helped save over 2 million pets tonight on 361 of jack smith central witnesses in trump's classified documents case going public for the first time, talking exclusively with cnn's kaitlan collins >> about what he says was his role in moving documents. the federal government was trying to find. also tonight, meet the journalists to uncover how senator katie britt, missy misleading haley, turned one woman's 20-year-old sex trafficking horror story into the centerpiece of her indictment of president biden's border policies today. and later, what is wrong with this picture, princess kate and her kids. she now says she edited herself. that story is only raising more questions as the royal palace had hoped to quell that evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news that's a cnn exclusive. what the man known as trump employee five in the federal classified documents indictment, things have the case against his former boss, his name is brian butler, and he's been talking to investigators and now he's talking to the sources kaitlan collins, who join
and they have already helped save over 2 million pets tonight on 361 of jack smith central witnesses in trump's classified documents case going public for the first time, talking exclusively with cnn's kaitlan collins >> about what he says was his role in moving documents. the federal government was trying to find. also tonight, meet the journalists to uncover how senator katie britt, missy misleading haley, turned one woman's 20-year-old sex trafficking horror story into the centerpiece...
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that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail that's something that former president has claimed as well. >> all of this persecution is only happening because because i am...
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that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic. trump's lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed as well. >> all of this persecution is only happening because i am running...
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i if i were jack smith. jack smith from that perspective, i think i would be happy with that performance. >> all right. a whole lot going on today. thank you both so much for being sara. >> all right >> new economic data out right now, inflation rates not going in the direction economists had hoped in february, they rose slightly just under half a percentage point to an annual rate of 3.2% in the midst of an election year stamping out inflation. a bit of a rough go. cnn's...
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now, according to our katelyn polantz, who was in the courtroom, trump barely looked at jack smith and the proceeding, not more than once or twice the entire time out front. now, ty cobb, the former trump white house lawyer so ty, of course, the judge in this case is aileen cannon, nominated to the bench by trump. she has thus far issued decisions in this case that have been friendly to him. but, you know, we don't know what she will do at this point. you've followed the hearing very closely today. what did you make of her comments today? did you get any insight on our thinking? >> so i think what we heard from her today sort of at the end of the end of the hearing >> i'm told. and based on the reporting, was that she had a comment. there's so much to do. that's not the last time we'll hear that. she'll do it again when she delays the trial. repeatedly to get beyond the election. >> i think it's the richest thing that happened today was when she said you know, pointed to all the motions that were pending as a reason for why it was going to be difficult to be paired well, next, smith an
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lago jack smith's team clearly disagrees. they countered with this, even if the raft of highly classified documents that trump took from the white house to mar-a-lago. we're somehow categorized as personal under the presidential records act that would not render his retention of those documents authorized what do you think of this? >> so what the former president is trying to do is say that force of our claiming power, no one that he doesn't have, the presidential records act is concerned with keeping our proper record of his official acts while in office. so it's not a case where the business he's conducting dozen is not maintained or historical purpose this is that permits him to designate certain items is personal, meaning. this wasn't me doing something as president, it was me as an individual. that's completely and wholly separate from classified documents, which by any stretch of imagination are going to be presidential in nature. that's all about doing the job of the presidency. the idea that a document regarding nucle
lago jack smith's team clearly disagrees. they countered with this, even if the raft of highly classified documents that trump took from the white house to mar-a-lago. we're somehow categorized as personal under the presidential records act that would not render his retention of those documents authorized what do you think of this? >> so what the former president is trying to do is say that force of our claiming power, no one that he doesn't have, the presidential records act is concerned...
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there is no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury. i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis, but it does provide a basis for seeking her recusal. i know that former massachusetts district court judge, nancy gertner, who is very highly regarded by her colleagues and lawyers you had the same reaction that i had and i saw some reporting today where she was suggesting that they seek to recuse her on this basis as well, pointing out that she's just ignoring a raft of equally absurd motions as well persistently delaying this case. >> a month ago, she >> she ordered the identities of witnesses to be disclosed and jack smith pointed out to her that i was just not allowable you know, she's she has decided to dismiss the vagueness challenge to the statute. but to the to the espionage act statute. but has suggested that it might be something that would be addressed in j
there is no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury. i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis, but it does provide a basis for seeking her recusal. i know that former massachusetts district court judge, nancy gertner, who is very highly regarded by her colleagues and...
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was only been known as trump employee number five in the classified documents indictment from jack smith, revealing his identity explaining for the first time how we helped move classified documents for trump. his name is brian butler, a long time chauffeur to trump's family? now, butler spent about 20 years working for trump and he claims it was on june 3, 2022, when trump's personal aide, walt nauta, the name may be familiar, asked him if he could borrow butler's suv to move luggage from mar-a-lago to the former president's personal plane. now that date is the same date that trump's attorneys met with the fbi, touring a basement storage room to look for documents. it's the same day they signed a document saying they hunted for additional papers and found few butler telling kaitlan collins that the luggage he moved included the white bankers boxes in jack smith's indictment >> they were the boxes that were in the indictment. the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in th
was only been known as trump employee number five in the classified documents indictment from jack smith, revealing his identity explaining for the first time how we helped move classified documents for trump. his name is brian butler, a long time chauffeur to trump's family? now, butler spent about 20 years working for trump and he claims it was on june 3, 2022, when trump's personal aide, walt nauta, the name may be familiar, asked him if he could borrow butler's suv to move luggage from...
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and now he finds himself at the center of jack smith's indictment of the former president in the classified documents case. and is privy to key parts of that testimony that we read through in those indictments, he provided a lot of that testimony to the special counsel's team about key moments that now will likely potentially go on trial as soon as this summer in this case, one of those jake that you're about to listen to, it moment that we spoke about where main butler told us about how he was on this day in june 2022, not knowing what exactly he was doing, but he was asked to help load boxes. banker boxes, on to trump's plane at an airport in palm beach, florida as the former president was set to go to new jersey now what he did not realize that the time that was happening, then was trump's team, his legal team was meeting with members of the fbi at mar-a-lago after they had just performed a search of that storage room looking for classified documents, which we now know based on the indictment. of course, that evan corcoran trump's attorney, who was looking through those documents walt na
and now he finds himself at the center of jack smith's indictment of the former president in the classified documents case. and is privy to key parts of that testimony that we read through in those indictments, he provided a lot of that testimony to the special counsel's team about key moments that now will likely potentially go on trial as soon as this summer in this case, one of those jake that you're about to listen to, it moment that we spoke about where main butler told us about how he was...
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. >> special counsel, >> da jack smith or herschel counsel? jack smith wants a july 8 start date. and then there's a supreme court set to hear oral arguments the week of april 22, on trump's claim that he has unity in jack smith's election subversion case. and the clock is ticking for trump to come up with now 454 million bucks in his new york civil fraud case. and that also adds interest on a daily basis and super tuesday, remember that? well, that is four days away let's bring in two prominent defense attorneys who know what it's like to have the weight of the government against them. former trump attorney tim parlatore is here and criminal defense attorney brandi hardened, so glad to have both of you guys here. first of all, you all know how difficult it can be obviously to go against the government, right? it's the united states it's verses, there's a lot of resources at play, et cetera the strategy has to be either attack the timing of the trial. obviously, the defense is going to be key, but what is going to be the main strategy? i mean, trump is one defendant, but really hi
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i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack just why i'm always got to live with the question is tonight why now? why is brian butler speaking out now while he says it's all about the election do you believe that this trial should happen before the election? >> i mean, i think the american people have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt you think it's a fair investigation? >> absolutely. i mean to me, you have the law and order president attacking agents, the special counsel on an almost a daily basis. when these people are just taking their sworn sworn oath >> not a witch-hunt, right to know, and a fair investigation. did they let saving time propel us onto a time warp tonight was wondering me now, tim parlatore, he's a former at donald trump attorney w
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tell me what stands out to you about it and why you think jack smith could actually have a removed from the case because of this order? >> yeah. this is a remarkable ms understanding of the applicable law it's embarrassing >> she's been struggling so dramatically in this case ever since the start when she was she butchered the special master decision and the 11th circuit i took her to task for it. this is this is a total totally baffling position first, she appears to believe that the presidential records act is actually consequential in the case which it is not. there is. this is an espionage act case. this is not a presidential records violation this is the theory that trump has the ability to designate classified >> material as personal records is absurd on its fixed, there's no legal support for that, but she has put jack smith and a position of trying to draft jury instructions and advance that would posit that question to the jury i think that it is such a fundamental air and it is it is so to reflective of bias that it does provide a basis you know, not, not a dispositive basis,
tell me what stands out to you about it and why you think jack smith could actually have a removed from the case because of this order? >> yeah. this is a remarkable ms understanding of the applicable law it's embarrassing >> she's been struggling so dramatically in this case ever since the start when she was she butchered the special master decision and the 11th circuit i took her to task for it. this is this is a total totally baffling position first, she appears to believe that...
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but maybe one thing to note about jack smith because i've known him for years. one thing that does separate him from the other prosecutors is not just that he has a lot of experience because said has helped them bragg. i'm such as fani willis, but he has international experience. he was at the international criminal court one of the things that we do write about it in this book is that we think of this as something that's so unique in america and it is, we've never been in a situation where the former president being charged and being trying to be held to account. but as we pointed out, this is not unique in the country here, but it's in the world it happens all the time france, argentina italy, have, they, have figured out how to hold corrupt leaders to account. so we're really, in many ways a backwater where we really have a lot to learn from how other countries do it. and i think that's where jack smith i think comes at it with that global perspective and thinking about that, if we do do not do this successfully, we actually turn ourselves into a banana repub
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so that one prosecution of course, is the indictment brought by jack smith. so by the very terms of urinalysis, jack smith's indictment actually counseled against and was accounted against bringing charges in this case. is that correct? i'm sorry, >> congressman, i don't follow your drift. well, you said that there's already deterrence because there's this prosecution out there in a prior case related to classified documents. so we don't need to bring another case to establish the truth value that's that was the essence of urinalysis, correct? >> congressman, what i'll say is that i will stand by the way in a specific words in which i characterize my assessment of deterrence value of a case of principles of federal prosecution that's on page 254.2, 55 of my room thank you. >> my time is out, >> but i'll just add the perverse implication here is that the administration by the very terms of urinalysis actually made it less likely that the president would face charges by jack smith bringing an indictment. thank you. and i yield back. >> mr. chairman, i have anat
so that one prosecution of course, is the indictment brought by jack smith. so by the very terms of urinalysis, jack smith's indictment actually counseled against and was accounted against bringing charges in this case. is that correct? i'm sorry, >> congressman, i don't follow your drift. well, you said that there's already deterrence because there's this prosecution out there in a prior case related to classified documents. so we don't need to bring another case to establish the truth...
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now, special counsel jack smith wants it to start on july 8, while trump's attorneys proposed august 12, but trump's counsel also argued that the trial should wait until after the election in november. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider has more now on the day's proceedings in the georgia election interference case these people your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go >> sparks continued to fly today as lawyers for donald trump and others charged in the case, are you that da fani willis hired nathan wade, a special prosecutor when they were romantically involved, and then she benefited financially from the trips they took and the dinners they shared. >> she put her boyfriend in the spot, paid him, and then reap the benefits from it that she created the system and then didn't tell anybody about it. >> willis testified last month insisting the relationship began after wade was appointed to lead the trump case. and argued she paid him back for any expenses in cash when i started dating mr. wade, april 2020 2022 years around the i don't know, growing up, my dad
now, special counsel jack smith wants it to start on july 8, while trump's attorneys proposed august 12, but trump's counsel also argued that the trial should wait until after the election in november. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider has more now on the day's proceedings in the georgia election interference case these people your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go >> sparks continued to fly today as lawyers for donald trump and others charged in the case,...
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jack smith's team says july, we should be ready to go just after july 4. and the defense teams, they're saying dates of august and september, they have to propose something because they already tried once with this judge to say, we don't want to have a trial at all before the election. and she said, no, that's not how it's going to go. we are going to put some dates on the calendar. so they proposed some dates but the way they did this very cooley is they have put into their filing very helpfully for the judge. all of the dates of primary elections for donald trump and other candidates potentially between now and for the rest of the season. and so the judge is going to be looking king at both her calendar, the calendars of the justice department and the defense teams, as well as now, she has before her, the political calendar there nudging in a way to get her to take into consideration all that he has to do as the likely nominee of the republican party okay. >> we can i ask >> you, speaking of the likely nominee, the republican national convention, where t
jack smith's team says july, we should be ready to go just after july 4. and the defense teams, they're saying dates of august and september, they have to propose something because they already tried once with this judge to say, we don't want to have a trial at all before the election. and she said, no, that's not how it's going to go. we are going to put some dates on the calendar. so they proposed some dates but the way they did this very cooley is they have put into their filing very...
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that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic trump's, lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed and as well, all of this persecution is only happening because i am running for president and leading very substantially in the polls. >> trump's attorney attorneys did concede if the trial has to go forward before the election, they would be okay with starting august 12th, but prosecutors pushed back saying, if team trump believes the trial before the election is unfair, those are fake dates. why did they even propose those dates? kenneth noted that trump's upcoming criminal case in new york must be considered as she schedules this one on march 25th, trump's hush money trial begins in new york and is expected to last four to six weeks and already busy court schedule for the for
that aspects of smith's proposal were unrealistic trump's, lawyers insist the trial should be pushed back. a trial that takes place before the election is a mistake and should not happen. trump attorney todd blanche stated, saying it would be unfair to the former president and the american people for trump to be in the courtroom and not on the campaign trail. that's something that former president has claimed and as well, all of this persecution is only happening because i am running for...
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smith they, say progressive democrat smith says, he is not fully committed to running yet, but has already filed paperwork to be able to run. let's take a listen right now, which is waiting are options, man. and this was a necessary step. to put our hand or rain. so we decided to do that. and then you will be the first to know once we make that call >> and alexander republican side, courtney kramer, who served in the office of the white house counsel during the trump administration, criticize the way willis has run the office of the fulton county and district attorney this is how she explained it >> when i've seen happen right now in the office of attorney under fani willis, husband, a complete disgrace. it's been a mockery of legal profession. >> what happens now? well, a judge is expected to rule within the next week, whether fani willis should be removed from prosecuting the racketeering case against trump due to allegations of a conflict of interests from her romantic relationship with special prosecutor, nathan wade, both deny any wrongdoing an alex, listen to this fulton county super
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do you think jack smith is going to be able to present some kind of a case. i have some kind of a trial and one of these two cases before november well, i look i i'm i'm a pessimist by nature and i would like these cases to go to trial before the election but i don't see how that happens. i i agree with norm that there is an avenue for something to potentially happen but first of all, let's go to the classified documents, case. classified documents cases are very difficult procedurally because they involve classified documents and review and specialized procedures you have a defendant who is in four different cases and has conflict schedules. you've got he just fine i'll motions to dismiss, which if they're denied, he will appeal. and that's going to take additional time. so there is there are many avenues and the classified documents case for this to be delayed and i don't want to speak about judge cannon's motivations or her prejudice i think she is a fine judge. >> however, >> she was appointed by this president. and i think she has shown some inclination
do you think jack smith is going to be able to present some kind of a case. i have some kind of a trial and one of these two cases before november well, i look i i'm i'm a pessimist by nature and i would like these cases to go to trial before the election but i don't see how that happens. i i agree with norm that there is an avenue for something to potentially happen but first of all, let's go to the classified documents, case. classified documents cases are very difficult procedurally because...
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a lot of work to be done in this this case, jack smith, they're pointing out july 8 as the date that they would like to go to trial. and then donald trump and another co-defendant, carlos de oliveira, they want a date in august. walt nauta, his political aide, the third co-defendant. he wants a date to start in september. we will see where the judge comes down on this, but john, there is a real question here. if the judge schedules this federal criminal case against donald trump for the mishandling of classified documents. here in florida in july or august or september, does that mean? that there is almost no possibility for a january 6 federal criminal child to be held before the election. that is going to be a very big question for the other judge on your chutkan in washington dc, and we'll have to see how that plays out closer to the date, but it's really going to be a popcorn situation this summer with trial dates. and when things will happen, how long they will take an even if there will be a trial in this case, trump has also pointed out in his filings that it's a busy campaign
a lot of work to be done in this this case, jack smith, they're pointing out july 8 as the date that they would like to go to trial. and then donald trump and another co-defendant, carlos de oliveira, they want a date in august. walt nauta, his political aide, the third co-defendant. he wants a date to start in september. we will see where the judge comes down on this, but john, there is a real question here. if the judge schedules this federal criminal case against donald trump for the...
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for more on this, we have molly smith, group, vice president for the policy. policy rather at the american hospital association. and the meat urine chairman and ceo of tenable and the former director of us cybersecurity at the department of homeland security. molly, i want to start with you on this really incredible story what are the impacts your systems are seeing right now >> yeah, absolutely. first, thank you so much for having us. this is just an unprecedented attack on the entire us health care our system, and what our members hospitals, and many of the doctors, nurses, and clinicians that are working in them are experiencing is that it is hard for patients to make appointments, to get prescriptions. it's hard for hospitals and doctors to actually check and make sure that their patients have insurance coverage and then be able well to know how much they may need to pay for the services that they're getting. and then on hospitals and doctors in terms of their cash flow, they are really hampered from being able to send bills to health insurers and then hav
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how jack smith? dismissed, and then also have these cases dismissed. they're also asking here, notably for the judge to label this as, quote, frivolous, that is significant because if judge cannon does that, which would be surprising, it would block his ability to continue this litigation very interesting. >> the thrust >> of trump's legal team is delayed, delay, delay as much as possible. paula reid. thank you very much for that. we have more on the state of the union address coming up soon, but coming up next, there's more breaking news parents are outraged at a shocking new report on the robb elementary school shooting we'll have a live report from shimon prokupecz. he's standing by in uvalde, texas. >> that's next >> bye-bye cough chest congestion. hello, 12 hours of relief bowers mucinex, dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion in any coffee or not mucinex de its combat season. now, trying to use the next instance suits medicaid drops high. >> we've both got a big birthday coming up, so we have a lot of brushes about medicare plans.
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smith's team has forcefully opposed that argument >> well, the house could vote as early as this week on a bill that would ban tiktok in the us. and president biden says he is prepared to sign it. the bill would give tiktok 165 days to seven rate from their china-linked parent company bytedance rall's. it will be dropped from us app stores platforms or don't comply, face fines of $5,000 per download of the banned app. tiktok says the bill is an attack on first amendment rights and urge some of it's 170 million followers to flood the phone lines of the representatives let's discuss with senior media reporter for axios, sara fischer joining us on the phone. sarah why lawmakers cracking down on tiktok? >> what's got them so worried led to great question. one of the issues with attempts to ban tiktok in the past is that the government has not outlined a clear national security threat or evidence of one, rather, to encourage lawmakers and motivate them to really been this. now what they say, what federal agencies have alleged is that tiktok could access moroccan data, meaning the chinese c
smith's team has forcefully opposed that argument >> well, the house could vote as early as this week on a bill that would ban tiktok in the us. and president biden says he is prepared to sign it. the bill would give tiktok 165 days to seven rate from their china-linked parent company bytedance rall's. it will be dropped from us app stores platforms or don't comply, face fines of $5,000 per download of the banned app. tiktok says the bill is an attack on first amendment rights and urge...
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have you ever heard of deranged jack smith during jack smith, did the range one, i call does they look the range and you take a look at that face. you say that guy is a sick man. there's something wrong with them i mean, a woman outside a bergdorf goodman i took her upstairs to a changing booth. >> it was all made up. i don't even know who this woman is. what else can you expect from a trump haiti clinton appointed judge. i have a trump-hating judge. there's rogue judge trump pater. we have a rope, judge >> this judge is a lunatic and if you've ever watched him and the attorney general may be worse, maybe worse. you have a watcher. i will get donald trump, letitia james, the corrupt attorney general of new york he's a corrupt person. she's got serious trump derangement syndrome every single day and suing him. i'm going to sue him >> by the way, under this limited gag order, he can still rail against, as i said, alvin bragg, the district attorney, even the judge on the case as he has before, just not witnesses or jurors or prosecutors. the job i'd send an april 15 trial date. as you may
have you ever heard of deranged jack smith during jack smith, did the range one, i call does they look the range and you take a look at that face. you say that guy is a sick man. there's something wrong with them i mean, a woman outside a bergdorf goodman i took her upstairs to a changing booth. >> it was all made up. i don't even know who this woman is. what else can you expect from a trump haiti clinton appointed judge. i have a trump-hating judge. there's rogue judge trump pater. we...