defense deterrence plans and undated and his its allies n incorporate of the partners like ukraine or georgia that are facing russian forces into those longer-term defense plans in the next ten to 15 years in the interim to nato membership? >> okay. and one last one, please. >> great, thank you. my thanks to the panel for very engaging discussion. about resilience others, welcome on this topic. nathan rogers, work in a transatlantic arena. question as we approach of course the summit. just mentioned the pledge for planning and disregard, tickler steps in the resilience discussion with nato. interested and if you'd unpacked that more for us, where we're going in the resilience agenda. of course with an original commitment to enhance resilience from the warsaw summit 2016. the allies of double down on this in 2021. what's in store this year for the resilience and would you kariba saints is increasingly central to allied deterrence and defense? of course militaries just go to war but nations to. all of governments, whole commute is responsible for being part of this. interested if you'd unpacked