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the fbi, $284,000. why? why is the fbi six times with the attorney general merrick garland reception funds are looking at? >> i don't know that i could tell you as i sit here right now. i know that we have a lot of engagement with foreign partners. this would be a big driver. i'm happy to have the stuff right here. >> i appreciate that very much. >> leslie, the department of justice is asking for a 1.25% increase. the fbi is asking for a 6% increase, totaling $629 million. the fbi is literally asking for a 350% increase in funding more than the overall department of justice. the total spending for the doj is going up 467 million. the fbi is asking for 629 million. the doj has to take a cut somewhere in order for the fbi to get there increase in funding. what on earth -- what justifies that increase for the fbi? >> what i would tell you, and we certainly appreciate the departments word, or the attorney general support for the budget requests. the effect of the fiscal year 2024 budget, which was appropriated t
the fbi, $284,000. why? why is the fbi six times with the attorney general merrick garland reception funds are looking at? >> i don't know that i could tell you as i sit here right now. i know that we have a lot of engagement with foreign partners. this would be a big driver. i'm happy to have the stuff right here. >> i appreciate that very much. >> leslie, the department of justice is asking for a 1.25% increase. the fbi is asking for a 6% increase, totaling $629 million. the...
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to address this legal abuse of power by the fbi, this committee included direction to the fbi in the iaa requiring notification to congressional leadership of any if counterintel investigation into a federal candidate for office. is there any counterintelligence investigation into either joe biden or donald trump? >> i would just say i'll refer you to the special counsel -- >> it's not a question about the special counsel. that's a requirement of the iaa of the fbi. is there a counterintelligence investigation into either joe biden or donald trump? >> no investigation that i can confirm here, no. >> is there a counterintelligence investigation? >> again, i'm not confirming any investigation into east candidate. >> are you aware that that you're required by the iaa to notify if congress of any if counter-- >> and we will, we will only ply with the law. >> have you already or complied with the law i? >> i believe we have been in compliance with the law. >> you believe you have been or has there been a notification to congress of any counterintelligence investigations of a federal candi
to address this legal abuse of power by the fbi, this committee included direction to the fbi in the iaa requiring notification to congressional leadership of any if counterintel investigation into a federal candidate for office. is there any counterintelligence investigation into either joe biden or donald trump? >> i would just say i'll refer you to the special counsel -- >> it's not a question about the special counsel. that's a requirement of the iaa of the fbi. is there a...
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according to fbi's data, the fbi looks at content in less than 2% of it surges on americans so my question would be for you, director wray. as i described it using your data, the data from the fbi, doesn't our warrant requirements only apply to a tiny fraction of the searches the fbi conducts? when you factor in all of these exceptions, i mean i can go through them but i think you know them and if there is any imminent danger, no word. if there are other dangers, you have to go get the warrant later but the exception list is very long so the question is, isn't it correct that what we're talking about in the bipartisan bill here in the senate and in the house would apply to only a small fraction of the searches you are conducting? >> is a percentage it's not a significant percentage. certainly the number is significant and i think the fundamental problem with the warrant requirement, before you look at the content is that it's the content that tells us whether or not it is an agent of a foreign power involved. i think that's part of the problem. >> if the witness will pause for a moment. >>
according to fbi's data, the fbi looks at content in less than 2% of it surges on americans so my question would be for you, director wray. as i described it using your data, the data from the fbi, doesn't our warrant requirements only apply to a tiny fraction of the searches the fbi conducts? when you factor in all of these exceptions, i mean i can go through them but i think you know them and if there is any imminent danger, no word. if there are other dangers, you have to go get the warrant...
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king did, the fbi contribute to that and? what was the impact of his king's assassination and on the nation and on law enforcement? well, yeah, the fbi contributed to it. i'm not of a conspiracy buff. and i know some people, people i really respect, who i for this book, including members of the king, including andrew young and james, they still think that it was a conspiracy that james earl ray did not act alone and maybe didn't even fire the trigger. i don't know about that. but i do know and i think it's verifiable that the fbi created conditions that would make think of king as the enemy and make him more vulnerable to, in fact, just three months before his assassination, the put out a memo saying that now that malcolm x is dead, really, king is the only one left who could become the messiah. and we must do everything in our power to disrupt him. and that memo went out to every bureau, fbi bureau office. so that's the conditions in which he was living. the fbi director, the most respected lawman in america, says that king
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and so the fbi went in on april 19th, 76, branch davidians, including over 20 children. in in the fires that resulted in think 11 people survived came out alive. now the other piece. that informed this in this quote language, again, is the specter of jonestown over what's going on right. and because of that, to call it a cult was to know what was going to happen in the end. people were going to die. right. and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy didn't because they did. the question is, did they have to taper? and gallagher make the claim that the use of the cult is responsible for the deaths that happened at waco? what do you think of. was the use of the word cult so powerful that it can be held responsible for the deaths that happened at waco. i kind of agree. goes back what i was saying earlier is if they use a different terminology, if they had called it like a church instead, i think the response there is less violent and think like again, the whole news media coverage takes a different spin on everything. and so i think at the end the day like the batf and fbi tak
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and the fbi and the grand jury. suggesting his attorney might hide or destroy documents called for by the grand jury investigation. mr. hur, are those the type of aggravating facts to which you refer to in your report? >> congresswoman, the aggravating facts that i referred to in the report are set forth and described in my report on page 11. >> very good. mr. hur, to the best of your knowledge and investigation, did president biden ever direct an employee to lie about, hide, or destroy classified information? yes or no? >> we did not identify such evidence. >> did he do so himself quite >> we did not identify such evidence. >> and i want to give you a chance, since the transcript is out, to correct the record on an important point. very sadly, your report, on page 208, says that mr. biden couldn't come up with the date, the year of his son, beau biden's, desperate one, in fact, in the transcript, it shows that he asked in the month, and do you know what he said, mr. hur? he said, oh god, may 30th. would you like to
and the fbi and the grand jury. suggesting his attorney might hide or destroy documents called for by the grand jury investigation. mr. hur, are those the type of aggravating facts to which you refer to in your report? >> congresswoman, the aggravating facts that i referred to in the report are set forth and described in my report on page 11. >> very good. mr. hur, to the best of your knowledge and investigation, did president biden ever direct an employee to lie about, hide, or...
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mills: it would be good -- the fbi has been tracking close enough. we know there has been a continuous asian and weaponization. we have seen whether it was the nsa, which should be repealed. i truly believe in the abolishment of the atf in its entirety. carl: here here. rep. mills: you pay attention to every single word of every single bill text. the second amendment cannot be clearer. it's a shall not be infringed. we have a constitutional and inhalable right to the defense of our family and home and ourselves. what you are seeing is there is a multipronged attack of not only allowing open borders to give millions of people to stream across and hundreds unknown watchlist as the fbi indicated. these are individuals who are wanting to say more laws and more regulations are going to stop criminals from the laws and regulations they are already violating. it actually stops the american people from their ability to protect themselves. as a constitutionalist -- i consider myself a constitutional conservative. those seven articles, the 27 amendments, is ou
mills: it would be good -- the fbi has been tracking close enough. we know there has been a continuous asian and weaponization. we have seen whether it was the nsa, which should be repealed. i truly believe in the abolishment of the atf in its entirety. carl: here here. rep. mills: you pay attention to every single word of every single bill text. the second amendment cannot be clearer. it's a shall not be infringed. we have a constitutional and inhalable right to the defense of our family and...
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up to that point, what was the fbi's approach to organized crime? it didn't really have much of an approach was kind of the problem. the fbi had certainly grown in stature and and, you know, manpower in the 1930s. but in those cases, hoover had spent a lot of the the agents, agencies, energy dealing with high profile crimes like the kidnaping of the lindber baby major. you know, bank robbers and that kind of thing. by the time you get into the 1940s, hoover is very fast in kind of almost infatuated with countering intelligence issues, questions about alleged communist subversion and in american politics and culture. and he doesn't take much time to to dedicate bureau resources to organized crime. and this is one of the reasons why the there's kind of a bit of a grass roots ground swell for there to be some kind of action and action by the legislative branch because there's frustration that hoover has not spent enough time giving attention torganized crime and understanding its operations and its connections and what could be done to to deal with it.
up to that point, what was the fbi's approach to organized crime? it didn't really have much of an approach was kind of the problem. the fbi had certainly grown in stature and and, you know, manpower in the 1930s. but in those cases, hoover had spent a lot of the the agents, agencies, energy dealing with high profile crimes like the kidnaping of the lindber baby major. you know, bank robbers and that kind of thing. by the time you get into the 1940s, hoover is very fast in kind of almost...
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up to that point, what was the fbi's approach to organized crime? it didn't really have much of an approach was kind of the problem. the fbi had certainly grown in stature and and, you know, manpower in the 1930s. but in those cases, hoover had spent a lot of the the agents, agencies, energy dealing with high profile crimes like the kidnaping of the lindbergh baby major. you know, bank robbers and that kind of thing. by the time you get into the 1940s, hoover is very fast in kind of almost infatuated with countering intelligence issues, questions about alleged communist subversion and in american politics and culture. and he doesn't take much time to to dedicate bureau resources to organized crime. and this is one of the reasons why the there's kind of a bit of a grass roots ground swell for there to be some kind of action and action by the legislative branch because there's frustration that hoover has not spent enough time giving attention to organized crime and understanding its operations and its connections and what could be done to to deal with
up to that point, what was the fbi's approach to organized crime? it didn't really have much of an approach was kind of the problem. the fbi had certainly grown in stature and and, you know, manpower in the 1930s. but in those cases, hoover had spent a lot of the the agents, agencies, energy dealing with high profile crimes like the kidnaping of the lindbergh baby major. you know, bank robbers and that kind of thing. by the time you get into the 1940s, hoover is very fast in kind of almost...
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it's the true crime account of the fbi highway serial killings initiative. check it out. anywhere you buy books. all right. as begin, please silence your phones. joining us today for the panel and the legacy of racism, antonia hylton, edwin raymond and jonathan haidt, the three rights.
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four years later, the fbi has only implemented three of those 15 recommendations. we've all seen the damage a plane can do in the hands of an enemy. none of us will ever forget how airplanes turned into weapons of mass destruction during the worst terrorist attack on american soil. 9/11, as you know. but 23 years later, the faa still appears to act as a representative rather than a watch guard. i'd like to think our witnesses for being here. particularly glad to have miss rebecca shay here to speak about what the geo 2020 report says. lastly, i want to thank u.s. law enforcement, military, and our allies who keep us safe from criminals. i look forward to discussing how congress can provide needed tools for this fight. >> thank you. >> thanks very much, senator grassley. i think our witnesses for being here. i'll give each a quick introduction and they will each have five minutes to make oral remarks. your full testimony will be made a part of the record. our first witness serves as senior director at head of the center of economic and financial power at the foundat
four years later, the fbi has only implemented three of those 15 recommendations. we've all seen the damage a plane can do in the hands of an enemy. none of us will ever forget how airplanes turned into weapons of mass destruction during the worst terrorist attack on american soil. 9/11, as you know. but 23 years later, the faa still appears to act as a representative rather than a watch guard. i'd like to think our witnesses for being here. particularly glad to have miss rebecca shay here to...
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that is i think that when we here lies about how the fbi is disgrace that accusations that they planted evidence at donald trump's home at mar a lago although you'll note the inconsistency. right because he's also said he had every right to take those documents when you a former president telling you that the courts are a disgrace, that the department of justice is the department of injustice, it gets people riled up and i think it becomes so reckless that it doesn't give license to some people. i think it suggests a duty for people to take the law into their own hands and sparks vigilante violence. and so things like this, fbi breach by a man in cincinnati at their office with an assault weapon right after this mar a lago search is not surprising. the who sent the pipe bombs to members of the media and the democratic party who was a huge supporter of donald trump is not a surprise. i hammer wielding intruder at nancy pelosi's in san francisco. should not be a surprise. a plot to kidnap michigan governor gretchen whitmer should not be a surprise. the that the swatting that we're seeing
that is i think that when we here lies about how the fbi is disgrace that accusations that they planted evidence at donald trump's home at mar a lago although you'll note the inconsistency. right because he's also said he had every right to take those documents when you a former president telling you that the courts are a disgrace, that the department of justice is the department of injustice, it gets people riled up and i think it becomes so reckless that it doesn't give license to some...
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so they gave fbi some huge raise i'm not going to say the number because i'll forget it. then everyone will jump on me. you know, you were one digit off or whatever. not only did they expand their, but they all voted. i'm sure some people voted, but anyway, it passed to bill them, a gigantic new sparkly headquarters in the dc area right. well, given all the malfeasance we've seen come out about this particular agency in the last seven years, they don't deserve any of this. and yet the can't stop it. right. and even if you can't stop it, i would say if there are any members in the room, i'm looking you even if you can't stop, at least vote no. just symbolically just put yourself on the record saying, okay, this is going to get smashed through anyway. there's nothing they can do. the leadership is for they've got the votes, whatever. but i in good conscience can't put my name on it, but they always go and i can we could point to a million more examples of things that republican elected officials know are wrong. their constituents don't support. if it was explained to those
so they gave fbi some huge raise i'm not going to say the number because i'll forget it. then everyone will jump on me. you know, you were one digit off or whatever. not only did they expand their, but they all voted. i'm sure some people voted, but anyway, it passed to bill them, a gigantic new sparkly headquarters in the dc area right. well, given all the malfeasance we've seen come out about this particular agency in the last seven years, they don't deserve any of this. and yet the can't...
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he has an fbi file. and after every one of these things, they say this guy probably shouldn't have guns guns, but they give the guns back to the parents or to him every single time. now, part of why that is, as i argue in the book, is of race that if i have a kind of alternate alter character, black travis ranking who goes through the book black chivers drinking makes it through the first event because. a black man is not going to get five chances, but a white man looks like the kind of guy whose rights be protected. and that's kind of the again, they trust the father who's business owner, so they keep giving guns back and even after the fbi, he his guns are confiscated, but they give him to the dad to lock up and they say, now, don't give him back. don't give him back. and what ultimately happens is he there in illinois? and ranking figures out that if goes to tennessee, tennessee doesn't have tight gun laws and so the laws prohibiting him having the guns in illinois won't pass in tennessee. so he's lik
he has an fbi file. and after every one of these things, they say this guy probably shouldn't have guns guns, but they give the guns back to the parents or to him every single time. now, part of why that is, as i argue in the book, is of race that if i have a kind of alternate alter character, black travis ranking who goes through the book black chivers drinking makes it through the first event because. a black man is not going to get five chances, but a white man looks like the kind of guy...
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is at the policy of the department of homeland security because i understand it is the policy of the fbi to have undercover? explicitly for barrier construction on everything but the actual construction on the wall. this administration admitted that the fy 2016 funds were not spent on the wall, as congress intended, they would be breaking the law. as a result of the lawsuit, you can no longer waste additional money on make safe projects and other non-wall construction. how about this administration follow the clear and unambiguous intent of congress and build additional miles of wall with the roughly $600 million left in the wall account? >> mr. chairman, i won't speak to the texas court decision because that is a matter of ongoing litigation, but let me assure you that we do comply with the law. as a matter of fact, because of our understanding of the legal imperative, we approved the construction of 17 miles of wall. we did that last year. in addition, i have approved, i believe it is 129, i may have the exact number inaccurately but i believe i'm right, 129 gates and gaps closures and
is at the policy of the department of homeland security because i understand it is the policy of the fbi to have undercover? explicitly for barrier construction on everything but the actual construction on the wall. this administration admitted that the fy 2016 funds were not spent on the wall, as congress intended, they would be breaking the law. as a result of the lawsuit, you can no longer waste additional money on make safe projects and other non-wall construction. how about this...
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. >> is it true that president biden allowed the fbi to conduct thorough searches of his home and his beach house? >> yes. >> is it true that your report found multiple possible -- as to why the classified documents ended up where they did? >> as part of our analysis we walked through a number of different --. >> as you said on page 6, in addition to the shortage of evidence, there innocent explanations that we cannot refute. >> i see that language. yes. >> the report reads with one exception, there is no record of the department of justice -- for mishandling classified documents from his own administration. the exception is former president trump. am i reading that correctly? >> yes. >> is it correct that your report recommends no charges and that would be the case even if he were not a sitting president? >> correct. >> so, what we have had today is hour after hour after hour of trying to distract us from the clear statements that come through this report. you yourself have said multiple times today that there was no a 10 to obstruct justice by the president, by the department of jus
. >> is it true that president biden allowed the fbi to conduct thorough searches of his home and his beach house? >> yes. >> is it true that your report found multiple possible -- as to why the classified documents ended up where they did? >> as part of our analysis we walked through a number of different --. >> as you said on page 6, in addition to the shortage of evidence, there innocent explanations that we cannot refute. >> i see that language. yes....
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so thank you so much for so you started by writing a book about robert mueller and the fbi getting a kind of sweet gig on cnn. a lot of a national exposure. you moved from that to writing my personal favorite, raven. the the story of the u.s. government's plan to itself while. the rest of us died and you followed that with the in my opinion one of the best oral histories editorial ever written and the only plane in the sky. the story of 911 and then not on that success. hugh moved and wrote one of 2023 pulitzer prize. his history of the history of watergate and last couple of years ago, you were here to talk about your watergate book and fully remember this. you and i were having a private dinner across the river. and i every every you've been here, i usually ask you so, garrett, what's next in your response was? i'm writing a book on ufos. and i know my response. what? so, garrett y ufos, as you say. i'm a very weird person have written this book because i am not a i was not raised watching x-files or star trek. i'm not a sci aficionado. i come this book, as you just outlined, as so
so thank you so much for so you started by writing a book about robert mueller and the fbi getting a kind of sweet gig on cnn. a lot of a national exposure. you moved from that to writing my personal favorite, raven. the the story of the u.s. government's plan to itself while. the rest of us died and you followed that with the in my opinion one of the best oral histories editorial ever written and the only plane in the sky. the story of 911 and then not on that success. hugh moved and wrote one...
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[applause] we ensured the new fbi headquarters will be located in prince george's county. [cheering] we have cap the orioles in baltimore for decades to come. [cheering] [applause] we have delivered over $1.4 billion to small and minority owned businesses through the florida public works. [applause] we provided more than 130,000 laptops to underserved households to narrow the digital divide. [applause] and we work to accelerate the clean energy transition in every part of our state is not just some. now i am grateful, grateful to president biden, or federal delegation all the state and local and municipal leaders who have been fighting for these projects and stay one. [applause] but, together what we showed is and together going forward we will continue to build on our progress. we will invest in industries of the future with funding for life sciences and biotech and data centers and cyber. [applause] we will cut red tape so maryland is the friendliest state in the nation to start and build a business. [applause] we will make reforms the procurement process of the state of
[applause] we ensured the new fbi headquarters will be located in prince george's county. [cheering] we have cap the orioles in baltimore for decades to come. [cheering] [applause] we have delivered over $1.4 billion to small and minority owned businesses through the florida public works. [applause] we provided more than 130,000 laptops to underserved households to narrow the digital divide. [applause] and we work to accelerate the clean energy transition in every part of our state is not just...
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would like to say something not just for you but for my colleagues, if folks who haven't passed an fbi ground -- background check are allowed to supervise adults, we should not give them custody on a company, alien children, however the office of refugee resettlement does not require fbi background checks for all sponsors and refuses to give law enforcement information on the sponsors, even if the child's well-being is in question. it seems to me this would have to stop and i hope this committee brings in more witnesses on this subject and takes up meaningful legislation to protect our kids. mr. horowitz, i am going to take advantage of you being here to ask a follow-up question. i wrote to you on november the second last year about your review of the justice department obtaining on records of members of congress and staff, in response you said your report will likely cover most if not is all of the eight categories of information that i asked for. it has been said that the justice department obtained these records to investigate alleged leaks related to the discredit crossfire investi
would like to say something not just for you but for my colleagues, if folks who haven't passed an fbi ground -- background check are allowed to supervise adults, we should not give them custody on a company, alien children, however the office of refugee resettlement does not require fbi background checks for all sponsors and refuses to give law enforcement information on the sponsors, even if the child's well-being is in question. it seems to me this would have to stop and i hope this...
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. >> today fbi director christopher wray testifies on the bureaus 2025 budget request before a house appropriations subcommittee. watch live coverage beginning at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3, c-span now, or online at c-span .org. >> the house is now planning to send impeachment articles against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas next week. several aliens requested the delay to have the chamber conduct a full trial instead of the democrat plan to quickly dismiss or table the articles. live coverage next week on c- span now, and online at c- span.org . >> c-span has been delivering unfiltered congressional coverage for 45 years. here is a highlight from a key moment. >> and although the city was the nation's capital for only a short time, from those early days the eyes of the world have continued to be on new york. one year ago this great center of history, enterprise, and creativity suffered the greatest of cruelties and showed itself to be a place of valor and generosity and grace. here, where so many innocent lives were suddenly taken, the world saw acts of kindness and
. >> today fbi director christopher wray testifies on the bureaus 2025 budget request before a house appropriations subcommittee. watch live coverage beginning at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3, c-span now, or online at c-span .org. >> the house is now planning to send impeachment articles against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas next week. several aliens requested the delay to have the chamber conduct a full trial instead of the democrat plan to quickly dismiss or table...
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let correctional officers supervising adult inmates if the officer had not successfully cleared an fbi national crime information center background and fingerprint check? >> senator, it is my understanding that our policies and practices require that background check prior to employment. >> well, if that is the case, i would like to say something, not just for you, but my colleagues for folks who have not passed an fbi background check aren't allowed to supervise the adults, we should not give them custody of unaccompanied alien children. however, the office of refugee resettlement does not require background checks for all sponsors and refuses to give law enforcement information on the sponsors, even if the child's well-being is in question. it seems to me, this would have to stop and i hope this committee brings in more references and brings up more meaningful legislation to protect our kids. mr. horowitz, i am going to take advantage of you being here to ask a follow-up question . i wrote you november 2nd of last year about your review of the justice department obtaining phone recor
let correctional officers supervising adult inmates if the officer had not successfully cleared an fbi national crime information center background and fingerprint check? >> senator, it is my understanding that our policies and practices require that background check prior to employment. >> well, if that is the case, i would like to say something, not just for you, but my colleagues for folks who have not passed an fbi background check aren't allowed to supervise the adults, we...
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we had the worldwide threats briefing from fbi, cia, and nsa and all of our intelligence communities across the board in law enforcement. they indicate, and i believe that we need more hearings like this. i appreciate your involvement in this as well. in many ways, we are less protected as we go into 2024 in terms of the security of our elections than we were during 2020. and that is a pretty stunning fact. there are four reasons why this is the case and i'm talking about now interference from foreign influence. number one. and a number of our adversaries have seen how cheap it is in the elections. and what was laid out by russia in 2016 was literally pennies on the dollars. if you are thinking about trying to disrupt. it's a heck of a lot cheaper to use technology to disrupt and undermine another nation's state selection than it is to buy submarines and tanks. and russia will continue in not just our elections, but around europe and the world and entertaining. china has picked up some of these techniques as well and iran and other states as well and so we have a series of nations le
we had the worldwide threats briefing from fbi, cia, and nsa and all of our intelligence communities across the board in law enforcement. they indicate, and i believe that we need more hearings like this. i appreciate your involvement in this as well. in many ways, we are less protected as we go into 2024 in terms of the security of our elections than we were during 2020. and that is a pretty stunning fact. there are four reasons why this is the case and i'm talking about now interference from...