he may actually have to rescue himself from the decisions, no? >> ideally in a treasury secretary, you want an understanding of finance. you want someone who understands finances and understands wall street but is not a creature of it. i think what you worry about or are captive of it you might say, you worry about the relationships here given that this bank support the by tax pay -- supported by taxpayers over and over again when in trouble, will it be treated harshly as it deserves when it's in trouble again? david: dealing with the troubles with nyu, new york university. when he left citi, he went to new york university; correct? >> before citi. >> david: oh, okay. >> trying to figure out what did the guy do there for a fairly large paycheck. at nyu, it's a nonprofit academic institution paid over $800,000 -- david: $840,000, more than what the president of nyu was making. >> more than the president of most universities in the countty. david: what did he do for that money? >> well, he was the executive vice president for operations. he oversaw