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william taylor is an expert on ukraine. he served as george w. bush's ambassador to ukraine. and after donald trump forced out marie yovanovitch as ambassador, william taylor is serving as acting ambassador to ukraine. he testified for ten hours today under oath about what rudy giuliani and donald trump have been doing with ukraine, yes, william taylor delivered testimony devastating to president trump. one freshman member of the committee hearing his testimony today said after the first couple hours of william taylor's testimony that it was, quote, my most disturbing day in congress so far. that congressman will join us in a moment. william taylor's testimony could make the impeachment of donald trump bipartisan. his testimony could turn some republican votes in the house of representatives and it might be the testimony that convinces republican senator mitt romney to vote to convict and remove donald trump from office. donald trump's very rich and totally incompetent and unqualified ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland, could face perjury charges after william
william taylor is an expert on ukraine. he served as george w. bush's ambassador to ukraine. and after donald trump forced out marie yovanovitch as ambassador, william taylor is serving as acting ambassador to ukraine. he testified for ten hours today under oath about what rudy giuliani and donald trump have been doing with ukraine, yes, william taylor delivered testimony devastating to president trump. one freshman member of the committee hearing his testimony today said after the first couple...
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and issues of corruption in ukraine. that was all we discussed. the simple truth is that those are the same issues that the president raised with president zelensky in their call. anyone who looks at the president's transcript will see that the president was raising issues that were appropriate, that were of genuine interest to the american people. >> greg miller is national security correspondent to "the washington post" i'm such a fan of all your reporting but this story jumps off the page, how is it going to land with the guy in the office with no corners? it seemed to me that pence did a little bit of dancing today. >> yeah, i mean, i think he's in a tough spot. he has so far in this presidency walked this tightrope where he sort of is supporting the president at every step but simultaneously keeping some distance away from him, enough distance that he hasn't been terribly tainted by all these scandals. i think in our story today we were trying to write about just how difficult it is to kind of accept that assertion
and issues of corruption in ukraine. that was all we discussed. the simple truth is that those are the same issues that the president raised with president zelensky in their call. anyone who looks at the president's transcript will see that the president was raising issues that were appropriate, that were of genuine interest to the american people. >> greg miller is national security correspondent to "the washington post" i'm such a fan of all your reporting but this story jumps...
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with the ukraine. it would appear the trump administration has been trying to make headway on that front for russia too. "the new york times" made kind of an offhand reference to that this weekend when they reported that president trump has, quote, quietly been urging a deal that would pave the way for a removal of western sanctions on moscow over their ongoing conflict in ukraine. obviously the removal of those western sanctions is, quote, long a goal of president putin's. president trump himself said as much back in august when he was asked whether or not he planned to invite the ukrainian president to the white house. he said at the time, quote, i think he's going to make a deal with president putin and he will be invited to the white house. meaning, yeah, i would like ukraine and russia to make a deal, i would like the ukrainian president to go make a deal with vladimir putin. then that guy can come to the white house. why does the u.s. president want ukraine to make a deal with russia over russia
with the ukraine. it would appear the trump administration has been trying to make headway on that front for russia too. "the new york times" made kind of an offhand reference to that this weekend when they reported that president trump has, quote, quietly been urging a deal that would pave the way for a removal of western sanctions on moscow over their ongoing conflict in ukraine. obviously the removal of those western sanctions is, quote, long a goal of president putin's. president...
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involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> giuliani's theory was based on one fact, that biden, as vice president, had used his authority to push for the removal of ukraine's prosecutor general, victor shokin. but giuliani went on to claim that biden got rid of shokin in order to protect his own son, hunter, and the burisma energy company. >> when giuliani says that vice president biden removed shokin to protect his son, hunter biden? is he right? >> it's [ bleep ]. from first word to the last word. >> did people here in ukraine, investigators like yourself, anti-corruption activists, think that shokin was doing a good job that he was effectiv
involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i...
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this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a long time. since may. when the times began reporting about how the president and rudy giuliani were interested in the ukraine, for political reasons. but it really didn't break until we saw this whistle-blower. what i think is so interesting is what we're seeing in this particular moment is just how much faith all of us journalists, included, have in our institutions and what they tell us, because we had all of the evidence, but it took someone raising their hand and saying, listen, this isn't right, for all of us to shift our perspectiv
this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a...
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to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson, both of them. 12 subpoenas issued so far, eight have not been complied to. those include secretary of state mike pompeo and president trump's personally lawyer, rudy giuliani. joining us now, msnbc contributor charlie savage. counselor to the house judiciary committee, attorney michael conway. democratic strategist and form executive director of the new york state democratic party, basil smikle, and noelle nick pour. take your pick of all those coming to the hill to be deposed. who do you think will be the
to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson,...
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ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because donald trump can sometimes be confusing about these things, nowhere in the transcript is that the case. the ukrainian president has subsequently said including again today to one of our reporters that there was no pressure but that -- but if you just read the transcript you would not come away with that conclusion. >> and it doesn't matter. he has no choice but to say because his country is dependent on us, but the abuse of power doesn't have to do with what zelenskiy thought, but it was the abusing of the american power
ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because...
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and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government. that's at least formal approval. and then you have secretary perry with his energy issues and his friends in the energy business. and they're not really sure what's going to happen next. and that's why congress is seeking those documents. >> again, absent an announcement by the cabinet secretary, there were reports of his pending departure right around the time the ukraine story broke. now robert, it occurs to us that robert mueller didn't have this luxury. the luxury of air support on a given charge where people from inside came forward and said yeah, i was there. it was aw
and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government....
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of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop? how crazy is it that while he was calling and asking for dirt to be manufactured on the bidens, he was involved in corrupting -- >> because the bidens were corrupt and the bidens were feeding at the trough of the state resources, and they themselves -- which they weren't doing, by the way, it was never proven. they were trying to lay a claim on the bidens that they themselves were engaging in, which was a corrupt act. they were using the power of the presidency, the power of their constituents, the power possibly of perry's office to
of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop?...
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but the way this is going in terms of the president making these demands on ukraine and ukraine appearing to accede to those demands, this story is not getting better, it is getting worse. what the government has ordered and its impact. and i say that not to bum you out, but because i know that the news is moving really fast right now. it has been ten straight days of almost insane news days, in terms of the magnitude and importance of these stories. at its heart this is still very simple. maybe that is why it is moving so fast. there is an unrebuttable central claim here, it remains very simply that the president asked a foreign country, and now it seems foreign countries, plural, for help. against the democrats. for his re-election. that's it. that is potentially a crime, no american can solicit something of value for use in a federal election from a foreign source whether or not the president himself can or can't be prosecuted for such a crime. anyone else can absolutely be prosecuted for such a crime. ask michael cohen. but the president's involvement in this scheme, his direction of
but the way this is going in terms of the president making these demands on ukraine and ukraine appearing to accede to those demands, this story is not getting better, it is getting worse. what the government has ordered and its impact. and i say that not to bum you out, but because i know that the news is moving really fast right now. it has been ten straight days of almost insane news days, in terms of the magnitude and importance of these stories. at its heart this is still very simple....
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trump was up to in ukraine. they represented that bipartisan policy and it's not a surprise to me that they're the first people who are going to testify in front of that impeachment inquiry. the last thing, rachel that's really important is the republicans used to be more hawkish about this. the criticism we got in the obama administration from people like lindsey graham was we weren't doing enough to support ukraine. now republicans have done a 180, saying there's nothing wrong with this call transcript. it's a window into the cynicism of the republican party. how much they flipped on this issue just to protect trump. >> and ben, as we go forward and head into these next couple of days with mike pompeo essentially threatening that he's going to try to block those officials you were just describing from speaking to congress, we don't exactly know how this is going to go with these depositions and when they're going to happen and who exactly is going to show up and how much the state department is going to do to
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former ambassador to ukraine who was recalled from her position to ukraine is scheduled to give a deposition to the committee next week. wall street journal reports ordered her removed -- it was just yesterday giuliani admitted to passing on some weird propaganda packet of conspiracy theories at the state department and joining me now is one of the members of congress at the deposition of the former envoy to ukraine today, and he's a member of both the house foreign affairs committee and house oversight committee. >> i heard some chilling things, but what i mostly heard, chris, was corroborative evidence of the whistle-blower complaint, and for that matter factual for the transcript of the july 25th phone call between president trump and president zelensky. >> after listening to volker, do you feel like you have a better sense of the effort which reporting now indicates was not just the president on a phone call and giuliani running around meeting with people but actually quite deeply involved volker and his colleagues at the state department. >> yes, i think this is really a grave moment it
former ambassador to ukraine who was recalled from her position to ukraine is scheduled to give a deposition to the committee next week. wall street journal reports ordered her removed -- it was just yesterday giuliani admitted to passing on some weird propaganda packet of conspiracy theories at the state department and joining me now is one of the members of congress at the deposition of the former envoy to ukraine today, and he's a member of both the house foreign affairs committee and house...
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military support to ukraine was indeed contentioned on ukraine's willingness to
military support to ukraine was indeed contentioned on ukraine's willingness to
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envoy to ukraine. the statement committing ukraine to investigate conspiracy theories about joe biden and about russia not having hacked the democrats in 2016. "the times" says, quote, it is unclear if it was delivered to the ukrainian president but no statement was released publicly under his name. they continue, the drafting of the statement was an effort to pacify mr. trump and rudy giuliani and normalize relations between the two countries as ukraine faced continuing conflict with russia. mr. sondland and mr. volker believed that mr. giuliani was, quote, poisoning mr. trump's mind about ukraine and that eliciting a public commitment from mr. zelensky to pursue the investigations would induce mr. trump to more fully support the ukrainian government. as we said, all of this comes on a day when president trump asked yet another country, this time china, to investigate joe biden, erasing all doubt about whether he could or would or will happily collude with foreign powers in plain sight to boost his re
envoy to ukraine. the statement committing ukraine to investigate conspiracy theories about joe biden and about russia not having hacked the democrats in 2016. "the times" says, quote, it is unclear if it was delivered to the ukrainian president but no statement was released publicly under his name. they continue, the drafting of the statement was an effort to pacify mr. trump and rudy giuliani and normalize relations between the two countries as ukraine faced continuing conflict with...
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ambassador to ukraine. if nothing else, her testimony today appears from the outside to have been thorough. she emerged from that closed door deposition after nine plus hours. she didn't get out until 7:40 eastern time. joining us now is tom melinowski. he was assistant secretary of state in both the state department and national security council. thank you for making time tonight. i know it's been a long day. >> thank you so much. >> i was struck by the congressman said there about how it was eight hours that went like a new york second that he seemed -- he seemed moved by the testimony. how would you describe the testimony today? >> i agree. you know, we spent nine hours with a diplomat, a patriot of tremendous courage and integrity who answered questions honestly, thoroughly and who set an example today that not only should you obey a legally binding subpoena, but you can. you can be a career civil servant or foreign service officer and despite the president's efforts to deny you the opportunity to compe
ambassador to ukraine. if nothing else, her testimony today appears from the outside to have been thorough. she emerged from that closed door deposition after nine plus hours. she didn't get out until 7:40 eastern time. joining us now is tom melinowski. he was assistant secretary of state in both the state department and national security council. thank you for making time tonight. i know it's been a long day. >> thank you so much. >> i was struck by the congressman said there about...
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government's support of ukraine. following the call, i again reported my concerns to nsc's lead counsel," that would be john eisenberg. colonel vindman stresses that he personally has had no direct contact or communication with president trump. and he also says he is not the whistleblower. he says, "i want the committees to know i am not the whistleblower who brought this issue to the cia and the committees' attention. i do not know who the whistleblower is and i would not feel comfortable to speculate as to the identity of the whistleblower." colonel vindman begins his opening statement with some basic biographical information. he says, "i have dedicated my entire professional life to the united states of america. for more than two decades, it has been my honor to serve as an officer in the united states army. as an infantry officer, i served multiple overseas tours, including south korea and germany, and a deployment to iraq for combat operations in iraq. i was wounded in an ied attack and awarded a purple heart. s
government's support of ukraine. following the call, i again reported my concerns to nsc's lead counsel," that would be john eisenberg. colonel vindman stresses that he personally has had no direct contact or communication with president trump. and he also says he is not the whistleblower. he says, "i want the committees to know i am not the whistleblower who brought this issue to the cia and the committees' attention. i do not know who the whistleblower is and i would not feel...
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and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar, sort of anti-plugging the trump rally. >> that is exactly right. >> "hardball" is up right now. >>> flight risks. let's play hardball.
and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar,...
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how narrow is the ukraine? there's a lot of concern -- >> so many other things. >> -- that the democrats are going tot narrow scope. but it is in that narrow scope most likely where democrats will be able to have the cleanest, most unambiguous argument about donald trump violating his oath of office. >> yeah, exactly, joe. think that's what speaker pelosi is trying to focus on right now. zroi democrats don't want this going on. we don't want to be dealing with impeachment when the 2020 caucus gets underway in february, which is slightly less than 15 weeks away. if you start expanding the scope of the investigation well beyond ukraine, this could drag on for god knows how long. for the short-term, i think speaker pelosi is doing exactly what she needs to be doing, which are is keeping the focus on ukraine. there's so much material on this issue for democrats to work with when it comes to impeachment. russia investigation for so many people was confusing because there were so many elements. this is pretty straigh
how narrow is the ukraine? there's a lot of concern -- >> so many other things. >> -- that the democrats are going tot narrow scope. but it is in that narrow scope most likely where democrats will be able to have the cleanest, most unambiguous argument about donald trump violating his oath of office. >> yeah, exactly, joe. think that's what speaker pelosi is trying to focus on right now. zroi democrats don't want this going on. we don't want to be dealing with impeachment when...
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ukraine isn't even part of the eu. >> ukraine is not part of the eu. just today i happened to be speaking with gordon sondelin's predecessor who served for several years in brussels as our ambassador to the european union. he said he never visited ukraine. he thought about visiting it because there are some issues, but he said you know, it just didn't seem worth his time or the cost to the government to have him go to ukraine. it's quite sundelind would have focused so much on a country that's not even part of the european union. >> so, why is he doing it? >> well, he's been quoted as saying, quote, the president asked him to get involved. he traveled there with rick per perry, he traveled there with kurt volker who was the special envoy for ukraine. he was there, in fact, the day after the july 25th phone call that we've been talking about, and in an interview said that he spoke to donald trump minutes before trump had that phone call with zlaensky. so, he's been a critical part of the president's strategy towards ukraine, which has involved pressurin
ukraine isn't even part of the eu. >> ukraine is not part of the eu. just today i happened to be speaking with gordon sondelin's predecessor who served for several years in brussels as our ambassador to the european union. he said he never visited ukraine. he thought about visiting it because there are some issues, but he said you know, it just didn't seem worth his time or the cost to the government to have him go to ukraine. it's quite sundelind would have focused so much on a country...
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ambassador to ukraine fired. "the new york times" first reported that federal prosecutors were looking at giuliani. this weekend, trump made a show of standing by his man, first by meeting giuliani for lunch at his virginia golf club, then following that up with a full-throated live via telephone defense of rudy with jeanine pirro on fox. >> he was a great mayor, one of the greatest -- maybe the greatest mayor in the history of new york. he was a fantastic prosecutor. i know nothing about him being under investigation. i stand behind rudy giuliani, absolutely. >> so this week brings brand-new testimony from key witnesses in the house impeachment inquiry. several state department officials are scheduled to appear. every day this week, it's someone new for closed-door depositions. career foreign policy expert fiona hill, who last worked on trump policy in the west wing, wrapped up her closed-door interview earlier this evening after ten long hours with lawmakers. she's the first person from inside the white house t
ambassador to ukraine fired. "the new york times" first reported that federal prosecutors were looking at giuliani. this weekend, trump made a show of standing by his man, first by meeting giuliani for lunch at his virginia golf club, then following that up with a full-throated live via telephone defense of rudy with jeanine pirro on fox. >> he was a great mayor, one of the greatest -- maybe the greatest mayor in the history of new york. he was a fantastic prosecutor. i know...
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love for ukraine. lovely as they are, right? there isn't some terrifically spiritual bond between our countries that supersedes the bonds we have with other countries the only reason we've been supporting them is because they were freaking invaded by russia, right, which is a very unusual thing. up until now on a bipartisan basis, we, the yierkts helped support that country because they were invaded by russia and russia is occupying part of them. we have been helping them keep their country intact while russia is trying to take it. so to the extent we are now no longer supporting ukraine or we are making our support for them contingent on these political favors for president trump for his re-election campaign, it's a radical change in a short period of time in terms of what the u.s. is doing and what are when a our attitude is toward that world-changing event from 2014. and i think now it's becoming clear why or at least it's becoming clear how this all fits together. the "new york times" this weekend
love for ukraine. lovely as they are, right? there isn't some terrifically spiritual bond between our countries that supersedes the bonds we have with other countries the only reason we've been supporting them is because they were freaking invaded by russia, right, which is a very unusual thing. up until now on a bipartisan basis, we, the yierkts helped support that country because they were invaded by russia and russia is occupying part of them. we have been helping them keep their country...
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we need remind our audience, ukraine is not part of the eu. tell us what is going on with sondland right now. >> reporter: i'd like to get to that, but a quit button on mulvaney as it relates to impeachment. we shouldn't lose sight of this. the reason we are talking about impeachment in the first place is because of that phone call in which democrats say you have the president of the united states making a quid pro quo for military aid to ukraine versus on the other side of the trade deal information about the bidens. what mick mulvaney just said, we are absolutely holding up military aid for the ukranians, but not for that issue, for another set of issues. he essentially admitted that they are trading the military aid for something from ukraine just not that something. you already have the other piece of that puzzle, which is the president of the united states saying publicly that he wants information on the bidens. and mulvaney said not only did we do this in this case, but this is how we operate. he walks extraordinarily close to the edge o
we need remind our audience, ukraine is not part of the eu. tell us what is going on with sondland right now. >> reporter: i'd like to get to that, but a quit button on mulvaney as it relates to impeachment. we shouldn't lose sight of this. the reason we are talking about impeachment in the first place is because of that phone call in which democrats say you have the president of the united states making a quid pro quo for military aid to ukraine versus on the other side of the trade deal...
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government support for ukraine. according to nbc news two sources familiar with the testimony say that colonel vindman later went further than his opening statement by drawing a direct line between the deliverables for ukraine and the multiple investigations. leading off our discussion tonight are democratic congressman rajah, he attended thedes of both christopher anderson and catherine croft today. also joining us jill wine-banks, and evelyn farkas, a deputy assistant secretary of defense in the obama administration and a former staff member on the house foreign affairs committee. she served on the staff of the senate armed services committee for seven years. she knows catherine croft who testified today, and she's an msnbc national security analyst. congressman, first of all, today's depositions did they deepen your understanding of what has been happening within the administration on ukraine and in what ways did they do that? >> thanks for having me on, lawrence. i think it's fair to say that they fleshed out fu
government support for ukraine. according to nbc news two sources familiar with the testimony say that colonel vindman later went further than his opening statement by drawing a direct line between the deliverables for ukraine and the multiple investigations. leading off our discussion tonight are democratic congressman rajah, he attended thedes of both christopher anderson and catherine croft today. also joining us jill wine-banks, and evelyn farkas, a deputy assistant secretary of defense in...
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own purposes is that he's used his huge influence over the energy sector in ukraine to corrupt ukraine, to keep ukraine corrupt, to keep it corrupt on purpose so that ukraine's government stays weak so that russia can manipulate public institutions and politicians who it has corrupted by cutting them in on oil and gas deals. i mean, well before this current scandal, i was writing this freaking book in part how russia created a lay bray i can't tar pit of ukraine in a way that's handy to them. any politician that brushes up against that mess they have deliberately created there, even if that politician has brushed up against it because they're trying to clean it up, those politicians can be called corrupt. they can be prosecuted because look at their proximity. before paul manafort it became donald trump's campaign chairman in 2016, running those kinds of operations against politicians in ukraine was kind of one of his political specialties. he was a real political guy in campaign who would run these ops. he would accuse them of corruption, even if their only proximity to real corruptio
own purposes is that he's used his huge influence over the energy sector in ukraine to corrupt ukraine, to keep ukraine corrupt, to keep it corrupt on purpose so that ukraine's government stays weak so that russia can manipulate public institutions and politicians who it has corrupted by cutting them in on oil and gas deals. i mean, well before this current scandal, i was writing this freaking book in part how russia created a lay bray i can't tar pit of ukraine in a way that's handy to them....
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ambassador to ukraine earlier this year. the "wall street journal" how reporting president trump is the one who ordered marie yavanovic last may because of intense pressure from the white house. why did he want her out? according to the journal, it was for undermining the president and obstructing efforts to get ukraine to investigate joe biden. that's something giuliani has since confirmed in an interview. sources also tell the journal the state department was told last spring that removing her was a priority for the president and something secretary of state mike pompeo supported. here's president trump on the whole thing right before that article dropped. >> i heard very bad things about her and i don't know if i recalled her, but i heard very bad things about her for a long period of time. not good. >> a week from today the ambassador will be on capitol hill for a deposition. this is a rescheduled appearance after her first one was abruptly postponed earlier this week. i want to bring in now ambassador the former nato de
ambassador to ukraine earlier this year. the "wall street journal" how reporting president trump is the one who ordered marie yavanovic last may because of intense pressure from the white house. why did he want her out? according to the journal, it was for undermining the president and obstructing efforts to get ukraine to investigate joe biden. that's something giuliani has since confirmed in an interview. sources also tell the journal the state department was told last spring that...
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>> look at ukraine. part of the ukraine probe. these guys were all maneuvering to get control of the biggest gas company in ukraine. >> money is always the answer. >> it's always the answer. it's getting hard to get people to stay is in line. telling the truth. thank you for joining me. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now with ari melber in for rachel. >>> thank you for joining us this hour. rachel is off. will be back tomorrow. i'm ari melber. we have a lot for you on this very busy evening in the impeachment probe on capitol hill. it was exactly three weeks ago today that nancy pelosi announced congress was moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. sparked by the revelation that president trump had pressured a foreign government to gin up dirt on one of his political rivals. and would go on to admit it. today lawmakers returned to capitol hill from a two-week recess during which most of them went back to their districts and began to hear what their
>> look at ukraine. part of the ukraine probe. these guys were all maneuvering to get control of the biggest gas company in ukraine. >> money is always the answer. >> it's always the answer. it's getting hard to get people to stay is in line. telling the truth. thank you for joining me. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now with ari melber in for rachel. >>> thank you for joining us this hour. rachel is off....
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ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. so they give tons of money to this pac that's supporting sessions' re-election and pledge to raise tens of thousands of dollars for his re-election. they get a meeting with sessions and say you've got to help us get this ambassador out of there. and in fact republican congressman pete sessions makes good on his end of the bargain. nbc news has obtained the letter that congressman sessions sent to secretary of state mike pompeo shortly after that meeting with these guys who have now been arrested. in that letter congressman sessions in fact tells the secretary of state that he should, quote, consider terminating her ambassadorship as soon as possible. so again, i mean the scheme here for which president trump is being impeached is a simple thing. but in order to enact this scheme where he's going to get help from ukraine against the democrats, a lot of different people had to play their part. this is something he did on his own. he put the u.s. government to work to enact this scheme.
ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. so they give tons of money to this pac that's supporting sessions' re-election and pledge to raise tens of thousands of dollars for his re-election. they get a meeting with sessions and say you've got to help us get this ambassador out of there. and in fact republican congressman pete sessions makes good on his end of the bargain. nbc news has obtained the letter that congressman sessions sent to secretary of state mike pompeo shortly after that meeting...
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in a very major way are going to be running ukraine policy basically looping out the u.s. ambassador to the country. and he just kind of says, like, yeah, that's been reported and that's true. and it seems to be, you know, similar to this admission that there was a quid pro quo on the aid strategy of saying things in public in a kind of nonchalant way and hoping that that is sort of a form of inoculation. now, it's not going to work with house democrats and their impeachment proceedings. but to the extent it's part of the battle for public opinion. you know, maybe they're fwambling that that's an effective strategy. >> matt miller, do you think that there is just, you know, you think about during the russia investigation, one of the things that worked for trump that's kind of akin to what crowley is talking about here is the notion that trump would say no obstruction, no collusion. he got bill barr to say that over and over again. but now you've got him saying no quid pro quo, no quid pro quo, and mulvaney comes out and basically just lays out a quid pro quo even as blatan
in a very major way are going to be running ukraine policy basically looping out the u.s. ambassador to the country. and he just kind of says, like, yeah, that's been reported and that's true. and it seems to be, you know, similar to this admission that there was a quid pro quo on the aid strategy of saying things in public in a kind of nonchalant way and hoping that that is sort of a form of inoculation. now, it's not going to work with house democrats and their impeachment proceedings. but to...
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government's support of ukraine. i realize that if ukraine pursued an investigation into the bidens and burisma, it would be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. this would all undermine u.s. national security. following the call i, again, reported my concerns to the lead counsel for the national security council." and it goes on. again, this just obtained this evening. the opening statement from lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, top ukraine official on the national security council who appears to validate the concerns of the whistle-blower that led to these impeachment proceedings against the president. and express his own alarm at what he saw on that call and of the president's behavior. more to come. stay with us. because getting older... should mean being healthy enough to act young. because farmers should be able to use less water to grow their crops. because having heart issues... shouldn't mean you can't scream yo
government's support of ukraine. i realize that if ukraine pursued an investigation into the bidens and burisma, it would be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. this would all undermine u.s. national security. following the call i, again, reported my concerns to the lead counsel for the national security council." and it goes on. again, this just obtained this evening. the opening statement from...
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get weapons to ukraine. i think as the failure of that approach has become clear. a lot of people who held their tongues in an effort to do good at the price of some bad are deciding the price of bad is just too high. this was not shadow foreign policy that the president was running. it was a shady foreign policy. this is not about organizational charts or the president's sending a personal envoy around the back of the regular government. sometimes that's a good idea. sometimes not. this was extortion. this is an attempt to use the power of the yiunited states fo the personal advantage of the people around him. it's not that it's not the proper challenge. the problem is it's not the proper purpose. >> the bar has been raised for fiona hill's testimony on monday. how important is her testimony going to be? >> well her testimony is important. it's important to emphasize shechs on the way out on july 25th. that's also sort of the point. we tend to think of this as singularly focused on that 30-minute phone call
get weapons to ukraine. i think as the failure of that approach has become clear. a lot of people who held their tongues in an effort to do good at the price of some bad are deciding the price of bad is just too high. this was not shadow foreign policy that the president was running. it was a shady foreign policy. this is not about organizational charts or the president's sending a personal envoy around the back of the regular government. sometimes that's a good idea. sometimes not. this was...
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basically they're giuliani's inside men in ukraine. they were arrested at dulles airport with one-way tickets out of the country and both of them were seen here with giuliani in a video posted in september of last year. nbc has not confirmed when this video you're looking at was shot. they're also charged with violating campaign finance laws by trying to funnel foreign money into u.s. politics. the charges were filed by prosecutors in the southern district of new york which rudy giuliani used to head up. ken delainy is here with us. as we wait for the potential arrival of yovanovitch, talk about how she is connected to the indictment for the two giuliani fixers, you could call them? >> according to our reporting, these two men were telling people in ukraine that they had political clout with the trump administration and that they were pressing for the removal of this ambassador because they said she was disparaging trump and because she was opposing their business interests. an american gas executive who does business in ukraine dale p
basically they're giuliani's inside men in ukraine. they were arrested at dulles airport with one-way tickets out of the country and both of them were seen here with giuliani in a video posted in september of last year. nbc has not confirmed when this video you're looking at was shot. they're also charged with violating campaign finance laws by trying to funnel foreign money into u.s. politics. the charges were filed by prosecutors in the southern district of new york which rudy giuliani used...
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special envoy to ukraine. now he is the former special envoy because last friday he abruptly resigned after he was named in the whistle-blower complaint that has given rise to this impeachment investigation. and really, even with the seemingly nonstop flow of breaking news about this whole impeachment scandal, there is a ton we don't know. it is unclear whether u.s. special envoy kurt volker may have been part of this scheme to pressure the ukrainian government. he showed up meeting with the ukrainian government right after president trump pressured them in a phone call to hand over dirt on biden as a condition of getting military aid. was volker part of this scheme, part of enacting that pressure campaign by president trump? or was he not part of this scheme but rather an important witness to it who might be able to shed light on what was done wrong? we may be about to get some answers. the house of representatives as part of their impeachment inquiry announced they'll be deposing five key state department of
special envoy to ukraine. now he is the former special envoy because last friday he abruptly resigned after he was named in the whistle-blower complaint that has given rise to this impeachment investigation. and really, even with the seemingly nonstop flow of breaking news about this whole impeachment scandal, there is a ton we don't know. it is unclear whether u.s. special envoy kurt volker may have been part of this scheme to pressure the ukrainian government. he showed up meeting with the...
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mike pompeo admitting he was on the ukraine call. we have a special guest, classifies the call for two different presidents and a lot of new attacks. plus, a lot of you reacted to the interview we had with michael moore and some of his provocative statements about 2020. >> joe biden's this year's hillary. joe biden's not going to excite the base to get out there and vote. >> joe biden making news with his own comments. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat." you can never seem to get anywhere. that's why dell technologies created unified workspace, powered by vmware. ♪ a revolutionary solution that lets you deploy, manage, support and secure all your devices from the cloud. so you can stop going in circles, and start moving forward. pain happens. saturdays happen. aleve it. aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong. (engines rev) the only thing better than horsepower... ...is more horsepower. (engines rev) if we were for everyone, we'd be for no one. with dodge power dollars, more
mike pompeo admitting he was on the ukraine call. we have a special guest, classifies the call for two different presidents and a lot of new attacks. plus, a lot of you reacted to the interview we had with michael moore and some of his provocative statements about 2020. >> joe biden's this year's hillary. joe biden's not going to excite the base to get out there and vote. >> joe biden making news with his own comments. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat." you can...
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there are all kinds of factions inside ukraine. they were using giuliani as much as he was trying to use them. understood who the good guys were and bad guys were and the people throwing dirt on joe biden were not good guys. >> what president trump calls bad things most of us would regard as good things. that's what our former ambassador was doing there as her testimony today, at least the part we've been able to read, makes clear. she was trying to do what any u.s. ambassador should do which is push a can country away from corruption. while he's claimed it was his efforts to redact corruption, it was his lawyer rudy giuliani, injecting corruption into the system. >> do you see this as donald trump's impeachment stonewall strategy losing out we're talking about those who might want to speak and at times disagree the device or request tonight but they honored it. there's something different happening when we see failings of officials to speak out. >> before the people they were preventing from going to testify in the mueller investi
there are all kinds of factions inside ukraine. they were using giuliani as much as he was trying to use them. understood who the good guys were and bad guys were and the people throwing dirt on joe biden were not good guys. >> what president trump calls bad things most of us would regard as good things. that's what our former ambassador was doing there as her testimony today, at least the part we've been able to read, makes clear. she was trying to do what any u.s. ambassador should do...
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there is a current ambassador to the ukraine, former ambassador to the ukraine, special envoy to ukraine, there is gordon sondland who is not your typical ambassador and he is the ambassador to the eu involved with president trump. the white house has obviously given a lot of thought to whether or not gordon sondland was going to testify and made a late breaking decision. they didn't say no initially, they said no this morning. what are we supposed to make of this? >> yeah, i mean it was a late breaking decision. sondland had flown to washington from brussels in order to testify. his lawyer put out a statement today saying he is very disappointed he doesn't get to do it. but what we can conclude right now from the white house's decision is that they are making a calculation that we don't know what the out come is, that the house going for an obstruction charge, another arm of impeachment of -- article of prooechlt charg proo on obstruction, they think that is a better calculation. we don't know how that will play out and if there really be another charge of obstruction for impeachment. b
there is a current ambassador to the ukraine, former ambassador to the ukraine, special envoy to ukraine, there is gordon sondland who is not your typical ambassador and he is the ambassador to the eu involved with president trump. the white house has obviously given a lot of thought to whether or not gordon sondland was going to testify and made a late breaking decision. they didn't say no initially, they said no this morning. what are we supposed to make of this? >> yeah, i mean it was...
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policy toward ukraine. he told lawmakers sondland tried to explain how president trump was approaching the matter like a businessman saying when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said the businessman asked that person to pay up before signing the check. when sondland testified before house investigators last week, he said he did not recall any discussions with anyone at the state department or the white house about investigating the bidens. so jonathan lemire, what bill taylor laid out is a quid pro quo, an explicit quid pro quo in his testimony. >> taylor the top envoy to the ukraine was asked to go by pompeo. taylor kept detailed notes and records and recounted. the room was spell bound as he went through his testimony and went through the time after time where he had disturbing -- as he put it, disturbing conversations with other members of the administration and the state department, how he learned about rudy giuliani and as he put it this parallel foreign poli
policy toward ukraine. he told lawmakers sondland tried to explain how president trump was approaching the matter like a businessman saying when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said the businessman asked that person to pay up before signing the check. when sondland testified before house investigators last week, he said he did not recall any discussions with anyone at the state department or the white house about investigating the bidens. so jonathan...
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christopher anderson served as the ukraine expert advising former special envoy to ukraine kirk volker. christopher anderson was followed in that job by catherine croft. christopher anderson, according to his opening statement, told house investigators that rudy giuliani prevented the trump administration from strengthening cooperation with ukraine. christopher anderson described a meeting he had with john bolton on the topic of having senior white house officials engage more with ukraine. john bolton identified an obstacle to better engagement with ukraine. he cautioned that mr. giuliani was a key voice with the president on ukraine which could be an obstacle to increased white house engagement. according to catherine croft's opening statement she first learned of the trump white house's plan to hold up ukrainian -- military assistance to ukraine during a july 18th office of budget and management meeting and she listened in by videoconference. an omb official told the group that white house chief of staff mick mulvaney has placed what she called an informal hold on the aid to ukraine.
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supported ukraine. he denied them a white house visit until he could promise he could get what he wanted. why is that dangerous? what can you tell the american people about why it's important for us to support ukraine? >> first of all, look what he did. he, obviously, used taxpayer funded assistance, passed by the congress on a bipartisan basis, to both threaten and intimidate the new president of ukraine, to investigate his political opponents for the purpose of advancing his own re-election. now, that has so many elements in it and it's one of the reasons why i think it's broken through to the american people. it also is troubling that ukraine has been a subject of constant pressure from vladimir putin and the russian interests in ukraine. so you have the trump administration, the president, the vice president, others, actually pressuring a new president who has a part of his country invaded and occupied by russian troops, and putting this poor new president in this vise. you think you are going to ge
supported ukraine. he denied them a white house visit until he could promise he could get what he wanted. why is that dangerous? what can you tell the american people about why it's important for us to support ukraine? >> first of all, look what he did. he, obviously, used taxpayer funded assistance, passed by the congress on a bipartisan basis, to both threaten and intimidate the new president of ukraine, to investigate his political opponents for the purpose of advancing his own...
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, in which he clearly openly solicited ukraine's help in his reelection campaign by trying to get ukraine to slander joe biden and his family. washington has just gone through 24 hours of intense mystery followed by dumfounded confusion followed by the revelation that the madness of rudy giuliani is driving the trump administration mad. >>> last night at this hour, we were reporting that the inspector general of the state department had asked for an urgent meeting with several house and senate committees today, a meeting that the inspector general knew would be primarily a meeting of the committee staff because the congress is in recess, and most of the members of the committees are not in washington. congressman jamie harass kraski invited to the meeting. he will join us in a moment with his reaction to the news tonight that the very strange package of documents that he saw today, that the inspector general brought to the congress today originated with rudy giuliani. the inspector general revealed that the counsel to the secretary of state had passed along to him a strange package addres
, in which he clearly openly solicited ukraine's help in his reelection campaign by trying to get ukraine to slander joe biden and his family. washington has just gone through 24 hours of intense mystery followed by dumfounded confusion followed by the revelation that the madness of rudy giuliani is driving the trump administration mad. >>> last night at this hour, we were reporting that the inspector general of the state department had asked for an urgent meeting with several house...
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ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch's opening statement. as she's deposed in front of members of three house committees, leading the impeachment inquiry. she was ousted by the state department. in that same opening statement, she laid out exactly how she thinks the president personally bothered department officials to remove her without any evidence of any wrongdoing. as her statement reads, finally after being asked by the department in early march to extend my tour until 2020, i was then abruptly told in late april to come back to washington from ukraine, on the next plane. you will understandably want to ask why my posting ended so suddenly. i wanted to learn that to and tried to find out. i met with the deputy secretary of state who informed me of curtailment of my term. he said the president had lost confidence in me, no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. he added there had been a concerted campaign against me and the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018. he also said tha
ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch's opening statement. as she's deposed in front of members of three house committees, leading the impeachment inquiry. she was ousted by the state department. in that same opening statement, she laid out exactly how she thinks the president personally bothered department officials to remove her without any evidence of any wrongdoing. as her statement reads, finally after being asked by the department in early march to extend my tour until 2020, i was then...
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team over in ukraine. rather than me reading cold inmes i haven't seen and information i don't yet know, i know you've had a few minutes to look through them. what kind of material have the democrats released tonight? >> the most important information were text messages from mr. volker that reveal he was in touch with the white house about having ukraine take some kind of investigative action in order to secure a meeting with president trump and perhaps to get that military aid. so you see the transactional nature of these discussions wit volker, with president trump and members of his administration, with the ukrainians, and that's revealed in an explicit way in many of these text messages. >> and now, robert, a tougher question, because it has to deal with the times we're living in.n and it's about the democrats. arguably joe biden and the biden campaign have allowed donald trump to tell his story and their family's story this week, period, end of sentence, end of paragraph. that's been where the biden n
team over in ukraine. rather than me reading cold inmes i haven't seen and information i don't yet know, i know you've had a few minutes to look through them. what kind of material have the democrats released tonight? >> the most important information were text messages from mr. volker that reveal he was in touch with the white house about having ukraine take some kind of investigative action in order to secure a meeting with president trump and perhaps to get that military aid. so you...
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administration policies on ukraine? >> the trump administration i think has had a pretty sound policy towards ukraine. i think it was very -- there were a lot of continuities with the obama administration. i was in the administration for five years with president obama. in some instances i would say it was better than our policy. for instance, they made the decision to provide lethal assistance to the ukrainian military. there was one problem with that policy. the president himself never seemed to sign up for it. he didn't like this military assistance, if you remember from the republican national convention. he wanted to befriend mr. putin. he didn't really like sanctions. so for years you have had this tension between the administration as a whole and president trump vis-a-vis this policy towards ukraine. now, come to find out, the president went a step further and just decided to usurp the entire policy, the policy that was advancing american national interests and just use it for his personal re-election efforts. i
administration policies on ukraine? >> the trump administration i think has had a pretty sound policy towards ukraine. i think it was very -- there were a lot of continuities with the obama administration. i was in the administration for five years with president obama. in some instances i would say it was better than our policy. for instance, they made the decision to provide lethal assistance to the ukrainian military. there was one problem with that policy. the president himself never...
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to ukraine. it's not at all clear why this state department needed an envoy to ukraine when we already had an ambassador to ukraine. but it seems one of kurt volker's missions was to translate trump to the new ukrainian president. that means volker was in frequent contact with bill taylor who became, in effect, the acting ambassador in ukraine after donald trump removed the ambassador who rudy giuliani did not find to be cooperative enough to help the trump campaign by investigating joe biden. the "new york times" reports this smoking gun, he disclosed a set of texts in september in which bill taylor, the top american diplomat and ukraine alluded to mr. trump's decision earlier in the summer to freeze a military aid package to the country. he told mr. sondland and mr. volker i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. that is a very smokey gun in writing. a member of the trump administration's diplomatic core, the highest ranking diplomat in ukraine puts
to ukraine. it's not at all clear why this state department needed an envoy to ukraine when we already had an ambassador to ukraine. but it seems one of kurt volker's missions was to translate trump to the new ukrainian president. that means volker was in frequent contact with bill taylor who became, in effect, the acting ambassador in ukraine after donald trump removed the ambassador who rudy giuliani did not find to be cooperative enough to help the trump campaign by investigating joe biden....
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ukraine isn't even european union. last week we got to read his text in which he was desperately trying to keep things out of writing and cover for the president. when confronted with a tax from a career diplomat names bill taylor, quote, i think it's crazy to withhold security systems. it was sondland who went quiet and wrote back with this very laura text message claiming the president's been clear no quid pro quo of any kind. despite what he wrote there, sondland later told ron johnson, yeah, there was a quid pro quo, indicating the release of u.s. aid to ukraine was contingent on an investigation desired by the by donald trump, according to ron johnson himself. so sondland is in the middle of all this and appears to be the point person running this entire operation of the here he is on the day after the infamous phone call between trump and the ukrainian president. >> i actually spoke with president trump just a few minutes before he placed the call. we have what are called the three amigos, secretary perry, ambass
ukraine isn't even european union. last week we got to read his text in which he was desperately trying to keep things out of writing and cover for the president. when confronted with a tax from a career diplomat names bill taylor, quote, i think it's crazy to withhold security systems. it was sondland who went quiet and wrote back with this very laura text message claiming the president's been clear no quid pro quo of any kind. despite what he wrote there, sondland later told ron johnson,...