people will say they can relate to joni ernst's bill joni route. and something that needs to be fixed. talk about your bipartisan bill but more than just a throwaway. >> dana: that phrase if you see a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there by itself. the issue of immigration doesn't become the number one issue in the country just for kicks him especially in the middle of the inflation situation. it got there because of biden's policies. >> i think the real reason he will not talk about it because he doesn't have answers for it. it is a powerful problem that regular people and even democrat voters feel passionately about, especially if it is affecting their lives and their own lives. but the thing that is so frustrating, you talk about the situation, and if you look at numbers for like what to do about daca, the best numbers for solving the daca crisis occur when you don't have a problem at the border. and when you allow this stuff to go on, it makes it impossible to make progress on. >> dana: so people remember daca's dreamers. so people brou