struggle to model anything above 2% real growth and layer on the fact that the fed will have a different kilts time getting -- difficult time getting inflation under control. you are talking about a nominal rate closer to 5%. that is not a longer-term basis and i think to your point, that is where we need to be looking. so often we are focused on will we sidestep a recession in the next six to nine months. it is like sing on the last two minutes of a 10 hour run. we need to take a longer-term perspective in the domestic economy, the impact of ai, democratic -- international reliance as we look out the conflict. how will this impact the fertilizer, food, oil industries? these are some of the components we need to focus on to have a better perspective of the longer-term trajectory of the domestic economy. tom: it is good that lindsey focuses on the last two minutes of a 10 mile run. the last time i did 10 miles -- jonathan: you've got that. tom: the next time i did a 10 mile run, nixon was president. jonathan: we will do it together. bramo will crush us. tom: when she comes out of the building s