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and republicans have really struggled in new, you're seeing this now where people like kari lake are turning back on what she has said before a year ago or two two years ago on this very ruling that arizona is now putting into effect potentially. so it's a real problem for republicans and they realize that and you're seeing that now with trump and kari lake and people like that who are realizing they're not going to do well in november if they continue to have these ridiculously strict sans is on abortion >> and kari lake on the ballot in arizona in november as well, the car and you're not in a business of giving advice to republicans, but what can republicans do to counter this in try to make what even donald trump admits is a political loser of an issue for republicans into potentially a winner or less of a loser >> it's not much you can do right now. i mean, i think that this cake has been baked. donald trump when he put three conservative justices on the supreme court, when he's running around taking a great deal of pride in overturning roe. and now you have this iterative ration
and republicans have really struggled in new, you're seeing this now where people like kari lake are turning back on what she has said before a year ago or two two years ago on this very ruling that arizona is now putting into effect potentially. so it's a real problem for republicans and they realize that and you're seeing that now with trump and kari lake and people like that who are realizing they're not going to do well in november if they continue to have these ridiculously strict sans is...
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i'm going to start with the kari lake reaction because i think it pretends a bigger issue here. she is a trump-backed candidate running for senate. she's handled the nir abortion ban in arizona. she's flipped flopped on it two or three times. here's what she said in 2022, about the 160 year-old abortion ban known as ars 13, and i say that because she mentions it in in her speech. and then listen to what she's how she's gone back and forth over the last i don't know, few months i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. >> i believe it's ars 13, is total ban on abortion that the arizona supreme court just ruled on is out of line with where the people of this state are. the arizona supreme court said this is the law of arizona, but unfortunately, the people running our state have said we're not going to enforce it. so it's really political nickel theater. >> all right. >> so alice to you, is this the best example of how republicans are struggling with this issue abortion as ste-bstate starts to crchown and tried to restrict abortion
i'm going to start with the kari lake reaction because i think it pretends a bigger issue here. she is a trump-backed candidate running for senate. she's handled the nir abortion ban in arizona. she's flipped flopped on it two or three times. here's what she said in 2022, about the 160 year-old abortion ban known as ars 13, and i say that because she mentions it in in her speech. and then listen to what she's how she's gone back and forth over the last i don't know, few months i'm incredibly...
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and i think kari lake, in this instance clearly sees the numbers and arizona, 62% of people want to see some type of abortion. and she's looking at how am i going to appeal to those voters? and she's making taking a more moderate position. it's up to the voters. did they believe her now or do they believe her previous position on this? and that is something that she is going to have to continue to make the case where she stands now as she heads into november, because as we have vice president harris will be going their friday, democrats will make this a key issue and i don't blame them. it isn't a galvanizing issue for democrats creates a up to republicans to make sure that they can meet the moment on this particular issue on see, this is going to be motivating in arizona. we're going to see that and there's going to be a ballot initiative we expect that will give a lot of people a reason, a lot of people who align with joe biden to come out to the polls. and that could favor him but i wonder what you think because i've heard some democrats from states were maybe it isn't is pressing an
and i think kari lake, in this instance clearly sees the numbers and arizona, 62% of people want to see some type of abortion. and she's looking at how am i going to appeal to those voters? and she's making taking a more moderate position. it's up to the voters. did they believe her now or do they believe her previous position on this? and that is something that she is going to have to continue to make the case where she stands now as she heads into november, because as we have vice president...
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what does it say to you that kari lake has pushed back against this ban? >> there has been a seismic shift in the political landscape here in arizona. we are seeing not just kari lake, but lots of other republicans starting to flip flop and back pedal. >> they >> do not want voters to know that just a couple of years ago, they were celebrating the fall of roe. some of the republicans in the legislature even voted onto 2022, 15 week abortion ban, which was at the heart of this supreme court case. and the legislative intent in that ban actually said that they agreed that the 18 64 ban should not be repealed, should roe fall. so i think that voters are really seeing through the backpedaling that's happening and they're not going to fall forward in november >> and in the meantime, arizonans are planning to vote on a ballot measure in november that would restore access to abortion at the point of viability, which is approximately 24 weeks. in the meantime, we're also hearing reports that the arizona house speaker perhaps may put forward. hizon, his party's own
what does it say to you that kari lake has pushed back against this ban? >> there has been a seismic shift in the political landscape here in arizona. we are seeing not just kari lake, but lots of other republicans starting to flip flop and back pedal. >> they >> do not want voters to know that just a couple of years ago, they were celebrating the fall of roe. some of the republicans in the legislature even voted onto 2022, 15 week abortion ban, which was at the heart of this...
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lake at the top of the ticket. and then we have stream this leg, shawna booleq and like matt grass here in the arizona legislature, those kind of things can't get done. and i am exhausted hearing republicans asked democrats to clean up their mess. donald trump can say that no, this is too far, but this is your problem. this is a problem that you create it and we're not seeing any accountability. and what we're experiencing an arizona is a problem that donald trump and legislative republicans created. and now they are expecting other people to clean up their mess without taking any accountability. and we just can't stand for it >> you mentioned on trump, you also mentioned a senate candidate, kari lake, who has flip-flopped now on this issue it will be interesting to see how this all plays out there. but for now, arizona state senator of a birch. thank you so much for taking the time to come on this morning and talk about this important issue. >> thanks so much for having me. >> sure. john. >> all right. breaking ne
lake at the top of the ticket. and then we have stream this leg, shawna booleq and like matt grass here in the arizona legislature, those kind of things can't get done. and i am exhausted hearing republicans asked democrats to clean up their mess. donald trump can say that no, this is too far, but this is your problem. this is a problem that you create it and we're not seeing any accountability. and what we're experiencing an arizona is a problem that donald trump and legislative republicans...
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trump-backed senate candidate kari lake previously said this about the 800s, 64 law less than two years ago. listen >> incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 133603. so it will prohibit abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother now league says, quote, i oppose the ruling, and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution >> that arizonans can support republican congressman david schweikert celebrated the reversal of roe versus wade. he co-sponsored a bill that would ban abortion nationwide at the moment of conception. but now look at this quote. i do not support the ruling from the arizona supreme court. this issue should be decided by arizonans, not legislated from the bench and republican congressmen, juan ciscomani, he has said that he's proudly pro life and that abortion policies should be set by the states but now he's calling this abortion ban. archaic, adding that quote, we must do better for women. and i call on our state policymakers to imm
trump-backed senate candidate kari lake previously said this about the 800s, 64 law less than two years ago. listen >> incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 133603. so it will prohibit abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother now league says, quote, i oppose the ruling, and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution >> that arizonans can...
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and kari lake won't be a united states senator. but watching them go back and forth and just watching the debate around this has been fascinating to see the bar is really low. i mean, you can excel and be on donald trump's shortlist. all you have to do is not murder puppies honestly, we talked about a lot of wild things, especially the three of us. >> i this was not on my bingo card for things that we would be discussing when it came to wear this i said, okay, i'm paying was going guess what guess what voice we still got six months. >> yes. david, kate and i was going to say also it's day three, this story, right? i mean, that's the problem. it's not like this. this story has legs, has been going and going and going. and so if you're governor noem, it's just it is a really, really bad week for you. >> it is a strange moment for all of us. >> it is good to see you. >> thank you, gentlemen thank you. john she the eyebrow raised the irony this morning, a cast has been reunited with her family after being found 650 miles away from home
and kari lake won't be a united states senator. but watching them go back and forth and just watching the debate around this has been fascinating to see the bar is really low. i mean, you can excel and be on donald trump's shortlist. all you have to do is not murder puppies honestly, we talked about a lot of wild things, especially the three of us. >> i this was not on my bingo card for things that we would be discussing when it came to wear this i said, okay, i'm paying was going guess...
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again kind of surprising coming from the very conservative kari lake, the republican senate candidate. but luck i think one person we haven't heard from yet is donald trump. and this is going to be very difficult for him. him and his team to navigate honestly, the time is pretty remarkable after his statement yesterday, really clarifying that his position is to seed the abortion issue, to the states. and of course, it comes as a lot of people on the road right? we're very angry with him, not coming out and specifying a national abortion ban after certain number of weeks, many people pressuring him over the past couple of months on trying to embrace a 15 week ban, but it's also of course angering the left and democrats. and even though this is, i know from my conversations with trump's team, the politically safe place for him to land. they also recognize that this allows a lot of democrats to continue blaming him for these types of laws, even though of course he saying this is up to the state's, we should point out. >> the vice president, kamala harris, who as you noted, kevin, his hea
again kind of surprising coming from the very conservative kari lake, the republican senate candidate. but luck i think one person we haven't heard from yet is donald trump. and this is going to be very difficult for him. him and his team to navigate honestly, the time is pretty remarkable after his statement yesterday, really clarifying that his position is to seed the abortion issue, to the states. and of course, it comes as a lot of people on the road right? we're very angry with him, not...
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lake they have been trying to distance themselves from the supreme court decision. they're also donald trump, who said abortion should be left up to the states and right now left up to arizona. and this is what arizona i was doing with it. cnn's daniel strauss is with me now on the latest standoff here in arizona, daniel yeah. >> and listen, i can't underscore how important this is to advocates of repealing this law. this shows among not just democrats, but republicans as well that there is a rift between the those who really supported within the state and more national republicans who are worried about the consequences of this law and it being seen as indicative of the party as a whole, you've seen it. you can see yourself in donald trump for instance, said, looking to distance himself from the law or kari lake as well, trying to either digress and change the subject or argue that the law should be repealed. it's too severe. so at this point in time, it's not really clear despite calls from some of the most influential republicans in the party for arizona, what ari
lake they have been trying to distance themselves from the supreme court decision. they're also donald trump, who said abortion should be left up to the states and right now left up to arizona. and this is what arizona i was doing with it. cnn's daniel strauss is with me now on the latest standoff here in arizona, daniel yeah. >> and listen, i can't underscore how important this is to advocates of repealing this law. this shows among not just democrats, but republicans as well that there...
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their ruben gallego versus kari lake and he's looking for an edge and this may just be the edge that he really needed against her paula. thank you so much, really appreciate it >> so for the second time in 24 hours, donald trump came up short in his effort to delay his hush money criminal trial in new york this afternoon, a judge ruling that there's no reason to push back monday start date while trump's appeal of the gag order in that case plays out. >> so that means in six days, jury selection is set to begin a manhattan that will take off the first criminal trial of a former president in us history. let's talk about this now. a cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe andy, do you think first the gag order? for is going to stand here and how could the eventual appellate ruling factor in as the trial gets underway >> rionda, if i had to guess and these things are hard, as you know, hard to predict, i guess that the gag order probably will stand up to appellate scrutiny. in yet the gag order is particularly narrowly tailored >> i think the goals
their ruben gallego versus kari lake and he's looking for an edge and this may just be the edge that he really needed against her paula. thank you so much, really appreciate it >> so for the second time in 24 hours, donald trump came up short in his effort to delay his hush money criminal trial in new york this afternoon, a judge ruling that there's no reason to push back monday start date while trump's appeal of the gag order in that case plays out. >> so that means in six days,...
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there's a hugely important senate race going on there where the republican kari lake has been all over the place on this issue. she endorsed the 18 60 something bill and then situ wasn't for it and so i think what you're going to see is democrats using the arizona law nationally because it is a very good marker for people. trump says he wants the states to decide, well, this is how the states are going to decide if he's president and that is vitally important not only to women, but also to a lot of men who think that this is just a terrible way of handling what was for 50 plus years of constitutional right at that, alice stewart quick to see both you. thank you both so much. sarah. all right. coming up, house speaker >> mike johnson, fighting to keep the job. he got barely leave six months ago. could a meeting with donald trump help him knocked down a republican revolt? >> and >> the anti-defamation league is giving some of the nation's most prestige he just universities and f, for failing. when it comes to fighting anti-semitism. plus the biden administration trying to close the so-ca
there's a hugely important senate race going on there where the republican kari lake has been all over the place on this issue. she endorsed the 18 60 something bill and then situ wasn't for it and so i think what you're going to see is democrats using the arizona law nationally because it is a very good marker for people. trump says he wants the states to decide, well, this is how the states are going to decide if he's president and that is vitally important not only to women, but also to a...
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. >> the republican candidate for senate, kari lake actually getting in there and calling legislators, trying to get them to repeal the law. clearly seeing it as a political threat to her candidacy. and two republicans in arizona. >> and we keep putting up on the screen that the arizona state senate has kept the repeal and play that doesn't matter if the republican house speaker in the arizona house continues to block it. and as far as i can tell, he continues to say that he will that he will not let it become law. what kind of a bind does that put someone like donald trump in who's trying to suggest that he's finding some middle-ground on abortion i think it absolutely puts him in a bind because as you said, it shows the consequences of this state's rights position. >> he is taken what you are going to get with that uncertainty, what we've seen in a lot of states, especially red states, especially in the south, is these near-total bans on a board russian in florida, a six-week ban which advocates abortion rights advocates call nearly a total abortion ban states are going to take thos
. >> the republican candidate for senate, kari lake actually getting in there and calling legislators, trying to get them to repeal the law. clearly seeing it as a political threat to her candidacy. and two republicans in arizona. >> and we keep putting up on the screen that the arizona state senate has kept the repeal and play that doesn't matter if the republican house speaker in the arizona house continues to block it. and as far as i can tell, he continues to say that he will...
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there are republican leaders, including former president trump and kari lake, who's now running for senate in arizona that have come out and said that they opposed this law in the case of league, she actually called a great soon after the dobbs decision nevertheless, they now oppose this law so why are republicans in the legislature now blockingebate on a repeal that is an excellent question. >> i think it's going depend on the area that those repuicans represent. in fact, one state reesentave who is a republican represents maricopa county in a very tight rais and he ise has come out to say that he believes that e repeal should be considered and me of the attempts that we saw today, at ast the very first vote to bypass procedures was tied 30, 30. they're 31 republicans, 29 democrats. so it is extremely tight. you have certain republicans in those swing districts who are very interested in appealing to their constituents and then others who are very hard line about this so i think you're looking at, as we mentioned, a very dynamic arizona a very purple state where we're going to see a lot o
there are republican leaders, including former president trump and kari lake, who's now running for senate in arizona that have come out and said that they opposed this law in the case of league, she actually called a great soon after the dobbs decision nevertheless, they now oppose this law so why are republicans in the legislature now blockingebate on a repeal that is an excellent question. >> i think it's going depend on the area that those repuicans represent. in fact, one state...