joining me now is kara swisher, the host of the podcast on with kara swisher and the co-host of the pivot, she has got 100 podcasts and the author of a new best-selling book called brenda. i tech love story, which i love for many reasons, including i can hear your voice as i am reading this book. it's very good. let me start with elon musk. there are few people who have covered him as much as you have. text no longer. >> fair, but over the years, of course. one of the chapters in your book starts with an email he wants sent you with you are an -- a word i am not going to include right now because it is a family show on a sunday, but it is pretty clear to me that he is trump supporting >> 100%. hello, he lied. that's pretty much what he does all the time, he is doing all kinds of signaling and stuff like that. he thinks he is being subtle. he calls me karen, which is in the best insult you can come up with. i don't think he is trying very hard. he does it late at night. that's the way he has, he is as subtle as a brick. that's why doesn't he say he supports trump? >> because he wants to cr