we heard from cassidy hutchinson a couple of rooms over today about it and mr. rove just walk through how much criminal evidence that could result in a conviction. what is your response to that? both politically, which is this panel? and morally, if you if you care to weigh in? well, mean so far it hasn't played a role if anything at least temporarily within republican primary it's helped the president solidify his support, solidify his base. certainly i think a conviction without a doubt would be certainly not helpful and certainly problems attic. but i think that the way things are going it doesn't look like of these cases are going to get resolved before the election it's anyone's guess whether they will or they won't. if i didn't i'll let you finish. but if he's innocent, would it be better to have i mean, if he gets acquitted on one of these things? i mean, this is as high stakes poker as it gets i mean, i think if the president gets acquitted on one of these items, i think it's going to be even his chances of winning going to be even greater. i mean, the r