podcast host and author of the bestseller burn book, kara swisher, editor in chief of the dispatch and columnist at the la times, jonah goldberg new york times journalist and podcast host, lulu garcia-navarro, and editor-in-chief of the washington free beacon, eliana johnson. welcome back everyone. good to have you here. kiara, when it comes to personal insults and prolly, can biden out-trump trump? >> yes. out-trump. trump. he to be beit. nothing is actually quite good at it. he was good at at the last election cycle, the come on man, the thing that he does. so i think he's just got to be genuine to himself when he's doing it. and that was that was a good dig. and this is where politics is with trump. you have to meet them there and trump could be rather thin skinned when it happens and maybe he'll hit back. but i think biden's pretty good at it. >> actually, hello, yana biden's to have for his are reportedly test marketing various insults like broke dawn and low energy. don, both of which i think are kind of weak and the question i have, what do we think are the chances that biden ou