people are longing for that gingrich, barack obama debate like they are longing for floyd may weather, manny they want to see that put that on pay per view. we could solve the deficit right there. >> bill: do you think though as we were talking about that independent voters are more likely to support gingrich over romney? i think romney might have an advantage in those precincts. >> listen, as barack obama continues to ostracize himself and estrangeimself from otherwise moderate people, yeah, i think gingrich has a better chance of getting in there. i think if it was tight, moderates would be maybe i can't go to gingrich. they are actively getting angry at him. guess what? the president's approach to these first three years has -- it's horrible, bill. it couldn't be much worse. have you -- we were just out. is the country not depressed? >> bill: absolutely. people are hurting and scared. they are toughing it out but nobody is confident. that's for sure. >> yeah. well, listen, he he has forced a lot of moderates that might be predisposed to particular stick with him to go after gingrich becau