instead they sent nikki fry and mayor daniella cava to introduce the initiative. joining me is former you'd you h congressman, jason chaffetz and julian epstein. thank you for being here. great to see you both. julian, let me start with you, get your reaction to all of this. >> well, hillary clinton won the hispanic vote by nearly 30%. joe biden won it by nearly 7%. ron desantis, republican governor of florida where i am right now, won the hispanic vote by nearly 15%. this is much more than a rollout problem for the democrats. what the democrats are seeing right now is a hemorrhaging of their base. most particularly the hispanic vote which could actually split in the 2024 election as opposed to where it was a few years ago where democrats were winning by 30, 35 points. so this is a major change and if you look at the reasons why, hispanic voters like working class black voters are centrist, moderate voters. they don't like what they're seeing on the economic performance, they don't like where the administration has been on cultural issues, whether it's immigration