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he was actually a police officer in pennsylvania, who went in, yelled charge, ran into the capitol, wrote it might get violent in a series of texts. he warned his police chief he might need to post bail. instead the chief accompanied authorities to arrest him in 2021. for him now to make the argument that the obstruction charge only refers to shredding paper and not to what he did, how do you feel about that? >> thanks for having me on your show. and it's very unfortunate that people that sworn the same oath as i did on january 6th took part in the violence instead of removing himself from the violence. he joined them willfully. and it's very disingenuous of people like him to do that because we are supposed to be held at a higher standard. and he should have known better that we were trying to restore order. he probably would see the violence especially on the west front where i was. so it's total betrayal. and also, a lack of support for his fellow officers. >> and what about clarence thomas being able to argue in this case when his wife materially participated in trying to -- you know,
he was actually a police officer in pennsylvania, who went in, yelled charge, ran into the capitol, wrote it might get violent in a series of texts. he warned his police chief he might need to post bail. instead the chief accompanied authorities to arrest him in 2021. for him now to make the argument that the obstruction charge only refers to shredding paper and not to what he did, how do you feel about that? >> thanks for having me on your show. and it's very unfortunate that people that...
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there are a lot of issues they care about, arguably in pennsylvania where the president is. they care about whether or not steel remains or grows as a thriving industry in the united states, maybe they just reject all of this and all the talk about how it's going to hurt certain members who are running for reelection is specious, and those who are going to fund raise off it, they're fundraising off the maga base which frankly was going to find a reason to contribute to them anyway. >> i think you just framed that exactly right to be honest. and that's really where i was, you know, where i was coming from in what i said because that is where this is right now. for a lot of voters who have watched all of this play out, they still have the concerns that they have that are not whether or not mayorkas has or hasn't done what he said he was supposed to do on the border, et cetera, but how they're more directly impacted by this, and then you layer on top of that, someone like a jon tester, who is, you know, a rancher. he's a guy that everyone connects with. they understand his narr
there are a lot of issues they care about, arguably in pennsylvania where the president is. they care about whether or not steel remains or grows as a thriving industry in the united states, maybe they just reject all of this and all the talk about how it's going to hurt certain members who are running for reelection is specious, and those who are going to fund raise off it, they're fundraising off the maga base which frankly was going to find a reason to contribute to them anyway. >> i...
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. >> we just got a statement from the senator from pennsylvania, john fetterman who i think is very happy to say he is the most casual of u.s. senators, but he is wearing a suit today. he thanked republicans on his way to the chamber for bringing the jerry springer show to the senate. we all know it's over, he said. we have enough already bad performance art, we're not really adding anything to this. if this is a show, matt, and an awful lot of people, and that includes some republicans think that it is, if it were not, if as julia says the need was recognized that there needs to be a budget, that there needs to be a serious conversation about what's wrong at the border, how do we fix it, how do we fund it, what would that conversation actually sound like? >> first of all, it's great to be reminded that fetterman's a democrat because he's been such a strong supporter of israel i forgot. it was great having him being on the same side when it came to israel. i will say this, the overton window has shifted on immigration. we've all done this a long time, almost always up until this point, th
. >> we just got a statement from the senator from pennsylvania, john fetterman who i think is very happy to say he is the most casual of u.s. senators, but he is wearing a suit today. he thanked republicans on his way to the chamber for bringing the jerry springer show to the senate. we all know it's over, he said. we have enough already bad performance art, we're not really adding anything to this. if this is a show, matt, and an awful lot of people, and that includes some republicans...
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that important pennsylvania state where he visited more than any other state. it's not just close by. also, the fact he is going to pittsburgh now, going to see the steel workers, talk about tax cuts for the rich, talk about going after china on chinese steel exports that hurt american steel workers. a part of pennsylvania that went very heavily for trump in the past. certainly in 2016. also talking about what trump -- what donald trump did in paris, which was criticized at the time when he was president, not visiting the american cemetery. all of that, phil, shows that they are ramping up this campaign. >> absolutely, andrea. i think this is a very deliberate contrast that president biden is trying to draw with former president trump, both talking about the reverence he shows for veterans, people who served in the military. his son, who passed away, did serve in the military. biden having gone to that cemetery in scranton earlier today pointing out there that when trump was in paris, was in france and was set to go to the world war ii memorial on that rainy da
that important pennsylvania state where he visited more than any other state. it's not just close by. also, the fact he is going to pittsburgh now, going to see the steel workers, talk about tax cuts for the rich, talk about going after china on chinese steel exports that hurt american steel workers. a part of pennsylvania that went very heavily for trump in the past. certainly in 2016. also talking about what trump -- what donald trump did in paris, which was criticized at the time when he was...
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joining us now nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli in scranton, pennsylvania. he's not talking about trump's trial, but clearly he's not holding back other punches. what more can you tell us about his message and his campaign strategy? >> reporter: yeah, ana, first, if i seem a little distracted it's because the president's motorcade is driving by us as we speak. i tried to wave the president to come on by. the biden campaign is embracing this split screen moment. you have the former president donald trump in his hometown of new york facing trial, facing these criminal charges, and so they sent president biden here to his hometown to talk about what they say are the issues that really matter to voters, and we saw the president really escalating this battle with donald trump on two fronts, on the policy and on the personal, and i'll talk first about the policy because we know how important the economy is in this election. the president really laying out the ways in which the former president's policies have and if he's elected again would be skewed towards the w
joining us now nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli in scranton, pennsylvania. he's not talking about trump's trial, but clearly he's not holding back other punches. what more can you tell us about his message and his campaign strategy? >> reporter: yeah, ana, first, if i seem a little distracted it's because the president's motorcade is driving by us as we speak. i tried to wave the president to come on by. the biden campaign is embracing this split screen moment. you have the...
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here in pennsylvania. let me just say i think the clerks who are doing that work, republican and democrat alike, they are our neighbors all across pennsylvania, they're doing a hell of a job, but they're doing it kind of with one arm tied behind their back. let me explain why. precanvas is something that is supported by republican and democratic county officials, the people that run our elections. it's supported by my secretary of state, the great al schmidt, himself a republican who oversees our elections. it should easily and overwhelmingly pass in the legislature if it came up for a vote, but the reason it hasn't is donald trump told the republican leaders in our state senate don't run that precanvas bill. don't do any of that. and the reason is he wants the chaos. we've seen that. he is a guy who loves to inject chaos into everything, into our elections, into our tax code, into, you know, the policies that harm working folks every single day, and unfortunately we still have some republican leaders here
here in pennsylvania. let me just say i think the clerks who are doing that work, republican and democrat alike, they are our neighbors all across pennsylvania, they're doing a hell of a job, but they're doing it kind of with one arm tied behind their back. let me explain why. precanvas is something that is supported by republican and democratic county officials, the people that run our elections. it's supported by my secretary of state, the great al schmidt, himself a republican who oversees...
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he'll continue his three-day swing through the key battleground pennsylvania with a stop in pittsburgh today where he'll give a speech at the united steel workers headquarters in philadelphia tomorrow. meanwhile in washington the impeachment trial of homeland security alejandro mayorkas is set to begin later today. the articles were delivered to the senate yesterday after a two-month delay. republicans are accusing secretary mayorkas of willfully refusing to enforce border laws and breaching the public trust. 11 house republicans made the ceremonial walk across the capitol to present the charges to the senate. after delivering the articles they read the charges aloud on the floor to the assembled senators. republicans do not accuse mayorkas of any specific conduct, and constitutional scholars have called the case groundless. senate democrats are expected to dispense with the articles quickly after the trial begins and move which would require a simple majority of the senate to pass. but nbc news has learned that senators on both sides of the aisle were trying to come to an agreement on
he'll continue his three-day swing through the key battleground pennsylvania with a stop in pittsburgh today where he'll give a speech at the united steel workers headquarters in philadelphia tomorrow. meanwhile in washington the impeachment trial of homeland security alejandro mayorkas is set to begin later today. the articles were delivered to the senate yesterday after a two-month delay. republicans are accusing secretary mayorkas of willfully refusing to enforce border laws and breaching...
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the whole country has so decisively turned against him whether we're talking about kansas or ohio or pennsylvania or florida. they can't talk about that so it's just immigration. he also had vladimir putin breathing down his neck because putin doesn't want $61 billion going to the people of ukraine. really what he's pursuing now is just an autocrat's agenda, and it's amazing to see the republicans in the house just following him like lemmings. >> let me ask you about that. today you had congressman michael mccaul saying this before criticizing the biden administration in his words not projecting strength in the ongoing conflicts in ukraine and in israel. take a listen. >> the world is on fire, and history will judge us by our actions. were you chamberlain or were you churchill? >> i mean how seriously can you take them when that is their posturing, and yet their own caucus can't coalesce around a foreign aid bill? >> well, i think that was really directed at mike johnson. it wasn't directed at joe biden. he's been doing everything in his power to try to dislodge the foreign aid package he sent us
the whole country has so decisively turned against him whether we're talking about kansas or ohio or pennsylvania or florida. they can't talk about that so it's just immigration. he also had vladimir putin breathing down his neck because putin doesn't want $61 billion going to the people of ukraine. really what he's pursuing now is just an autocrat's agenda, and it's amazing to see the republicans in the house just following him like lemmings. >> let me ask you about that. today you had...
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i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania. >> no-nonsense criminal court. >> he said i won't tolerate it anyone have any jurors intimidated in this courtroom. >>> donald trump selection interference trial. >> is not concerned about being sent to jail. i think like anybody, is concerned about going to jail. >>> meanwhile, on the campaign trail -- >> one remember when he told us literally, inject leach. bless me, father. >>> senator elizabeth warren on the stakes of biden versus trump. >> i was planning on doing it. >>> is who is losing money as the trump stock craters. >> now down more than 57% this month. >>> and why republicans are publicly calling on their own speaker to resign. >> what is your response to republicans who say this should cost you your job ? >> all in starts right now. good evening, i am chris hayes. today, donald trump was back for day two of what everyone is referring to as the former presidents hush money trial. the case is not really about the hush money. it's about election interference. i will explain more in a moment. but first, juror questioning continued in earnest to
i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania. >> no-nonsense criminal court. >> he said i won't tolerate it anyone have any jurors intimidated in this courtroom. >>> donald trump selection interference trial. >> is not concerned about being sent to jail. i think like anybody, is concerned about going to jail. >>> meanwhile, on the campaign trail -- >> one remember when he told us literally, inject leach. bless me, father. >>> senator elizabeth warren on...
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. >>> joseph fisher was a police officer in pennsylvania. in december of 2020 when he wrote in a text message, take democratic congress to the gallows. can't vote if they can't breathe. lol. it might get violent. they should storm the capitol and drag all the democrats into the street and have a mob trial. if trump don't get in, we better get to war or we will lose our country. police officer joseph fisher was at the capitol on january 6, attacking police officers, who were doing their jobs defending the building and the people in it. joseph fisher is facing seven criminal charges for his violent attack on the capitol. today the united states supreme court heard his appeal of one of those charges. obstructing an official proceeding. joseph fisher argues that law does not apply to anything that he is accused of doing on january 6. the law says whoever corruptly alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object or attempts to do so with the intense to impair the object's integrity for use or the official proceeding,
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the entire country has decisively turned against him whether we are talking about kansas or ohio or pennsylvania or florida so they cannot talk about that so it is just immigration. he also has russia breathing down his neck because vladimir putin does not want 60 million going to the people of ukraine so really what he is pursuing is a autocrats agenda and it is amazing to see the republicans in the house following him like lemmings. >> today you had republican congressman mike saying this before criticizing the biden administration for not projecting strength amid the ongoing conflicts in ukraine in his words. >> the world is on fire and history will judge us by our actions. were you chamberland or churchill? >> how seriously can you take them when that is their posturing and yet their own caucus cannot coalesce around a foreign aid bill? >> i think that was really directed at mike johnson, not biden who has been doing everything in his power to dislodge the foreign aid package he sent several months ago but it is mike johnson who has fallen captive to the pro- russian wing of the party which
the entire country has decisively turned against him whether we are talking about kansas or ohio or pennsylvania or florida so they cannot talk about that so it is just immigration. he also has russia breathing down his neck because vladimir putin does not want 60 million going to the people of ukraine so really what he is pursuing is a autocrats agenda and it is amazing to see the republicans in the house following him like lemmings. >> today you had republican congressman mike saying...
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i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania, to look and to watch. >> free range trump meets no nonsense criminal court. >> the judge was inappropriate. he said i won't tolerate it. i won't have jurors intimidated in this courtroom. >> the second day of jury selection in donald trump's election interference trial. >> he's not concerned about being sent to jail. >> i don't -- u think like anybody he's concerned about going to jail. >>> meanwhile, on the campaign trail -- >> remember when he told us literally, inject bleach. bless me father. >> senator elizabeth warren on the stakes of biden versus trump. >> would you do larger cuts? corporate cuts? >> yeah, i was planning on doing it. >>> plus, guess who's losing money as the trump stock craters? >> djt now down more than 57% this month. >>> and why the republicans are openly calling on their own speaker to resign. >> what is your response to republicans who say this move should cost you your job? >> but all in starts right now. >>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, today donald trump was back in a manhattan courtroom for day two of wha
i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania, to look and to watch. >> free range trump meets no nonsense criminal court. >> the judge was inappropriate. he said i won't tolerate it. i won't have jurors intimidated in this courtroom. >> the second day of jury selection in donald trump's election interference trial. >> he's not concerned about being sent to jail. >> i don't -- u think like anybody he's concerned about going to jail. >>> meanwhile, on the campaign trail...
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you see the president today in pennsylvania hammering on this. i think they understand it's fruitful, this kind of kitchen table stuff does matter to folks, particularly when there are like more than a trillion dollars on the line in 2025 or the expiration for some of the wealthiest people, including folks the 1500 wealthiest estates in america who have a lot of money on the line i don't think are particularly sympathetic heroes in the national political conversation. >> you talk a lot about how the trial in new york won't play in many ways the way trump thinks it will. i wonder if his trials in new york, which do show that the rich are treated different, like that is something you learn from this trial, this and the civil trial in which he had to come up with $175 million, which most peoplely it blurred to them. do you think that in some ways cuts against the message that trump is trying to portray and his self-portrayal? >> i think it does. i do think the verdict is going to matter more than the trial. >> yes. >> ultimately if i had to guess. i
you see the president today in pennsylvania hammering on this. i think they understand it's fruitful, this kind of kitchen table stuff does matter to folks, particularly when there are like more than a trillion dollars on the line in 2025 or the expiration for some of the wealthiest people, including folks the 1500 wealthiest estates in america who have a lot of money on the line i don't think are particularly sympathetic heroes in the national political conversation. >> you talk a lot...
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lawyers for a man named joseph fisher, a police officer in pennsylvania at the time of the insurrection, suggests that all important statute is actually narrowly aimed at white collar fraud. not obstructs a congressional proceeding. quote, the high court's ultimate ruling expected by the end of june could overturn hundreds of january 6th felony convictions and hamper numerous pending prosecutions. a ruling against the justice department could ripple into jack smith's case against donald trump whom he charged with two charges of obstructs congress' business that day. beyond the ripping effect of what the supreme court may decide in this case, that they're even hearing the case, that clarence thomas is hearing the case in the first place, is a major point of contention. every single term the court gets around 8,000 different requests to review a lower court's decision. recently, they heard oral arguments like today in about 60 less than one tenth because just a single federal judge ruled in fisher's favor. this supreme court, we've seen its approval ratings plunge to historic lows, decide
lawyers for a man named joseph fisher, a police officer in pennsylvania at the time of the insurrection, suggests that all important statute is actually narrowly aimed at white collar fraud. not obstructs a congressional proceeding. quote, the high court's ultimate ruling expected by the end of june could overturn hundreds of january 6th felony convictions and hamper numerous pending prosecutions. a ruling against the justice department could ripple into jack smith's case against donald trump...
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the message he's bringing to pennsylvania today. >>> and a critical january 6th case in front of the supreme court. how it could wipe out charges for hundreds of rioters and even affect one of donald trump's cases. our reporters are following all the latest developments and we begin here in new york city in lower manhattan with vaughn hillyard. where does jury selection for the former president's trial stand right now? >> reporter: we are 15 minutes away from the jury reconvening here. this is a big lunch break here because this was a moment for the defense teams and the prosecutors teams to deliberate internally amongst themselves, huddle over that first batch of 18 individuals. 18 potential jurors who went through the process, who answered questions on both sides on whether they were qualified or to what extent they had preconceived opinions about the defendant, donald trump, and whether they should be individuals who are fair and impartial and could sit on the jury. and what over the course of this lunch break, again, they're convening here at 2:15 eastern, 15 minutes from now, th
the message he's bringing to pennsylvania today. >>> and a critical january 6th case in front of the supreme court. how it could wipe out charges for hundreds of rioters and even affect one of donald trump's cases. our reporters are following all the latest developments and we begin here in new york city in lower manhattan with vaughn hillyard. where does jury selection for the former president's trial stand right now? >> reporter: we are 15 minutes away from the jury reconvening...
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that's what you are seeing the campaign do today in pennsylvania. that's exactly the right strategy. >> jim messina and susan del percio, thanks very much. >>> to an nbc news exclusive. nbc's tom costello just sat down with a current boeing engineer, a whistle-blower, who became alarmed and raised concerns about what he was seeing in the production of the boeing 787 dreamliner, including a gap between parts of the fuselage that are not up to boeing specifications, he says. >> reporter: should boeing ground the 787 to check the gap sizes? >> i would say they need to. >> reporter: the fleet worldwide? >> the entire fleet worldwide needs attention. the attention is you need to check the gaps, make sure you don't have potential for premature failure. >> in a statement from boeing, the company is saying -- you can see more of tom's interview on "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. >>> new offers. speaker johnson unveiling his version of foreign aid for israel and ukraine, requiring a new round of votes in the senate as congress is taking another recess n
that's what you are seeing the campaign do today in pennsylvania. that's exactly the right strategy. >> jim messina and susan del percio, thanks very much. >>> to an nbc news exclusive. nbc's tom costello just sat down with a current boeing engineer, a whistle-blower, who became alarmed and raised concerns about what he was seeing in the production of the boeing 787 dreamliner, including a gap between parts of the fuselage that are not up to boeing specifications, he says....
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. >> i should be right now in pennsylvania, in florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia, campaigning. the judge should recuse himself. >> also this morning, prosecutors asked the judge to both fine trump and hold him in contempt for recent social media posts accusing him of violating his gag order. and joining us, msnbc legal contributor, and a civil rights attorney and former prosecutors and msnbc legal analysts and served as a prosecutor in the bill cosby case. yasmin, get us up to speed of what is happening in the courtroom. >> reporter: they are going through the answer and question period in the jury selection, reading their 42 answers to the questions on the jury questionnaire. we have 12 initial jurors that passed the initial phase of the process, and what that means is once they fill a jury box of 18 people, then they move on to the next phase called voir dire. they get to ask then their own questions, for instance -- in the parameter of what the judge laid out, and they can't say i'm a republican or did you vote for trump or biden, but they do get to ask their o
. >> i should be right now in pennsylvania, in florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia, campaigning. the judge should recuse himself. >> also this morning, prosecutors asked the judge to both fine trump and hold him in contempt for recent social media posts accusing him of violating his gag order. and joining us, msnbc legal contributor, and a civil rights attorney and former prosecutors and msnbc legal analysts and served as a prosecutor in the bill cosby case....
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donald trump sits in a new york courthouse facing a criminal trial while biden is in pennsylvania. >> i should be in pennsylvania and florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia. >> just listening to a bunch of swing states, and proof trump's legal woes have entered the race. joining us, former senior aide for the biden and harris candidacy. >> you have one presumptive republican nominee and former president seated at a defense table in a manhattan courtroom, and on the other side you have president biden hitting the campaign trail and swinging through pennsylvania acting as commander and chief, over seeing the response to the attack from iran against israel. if voters see this, not just today, but day after day after day for the next several weeks, how do you think they will see that? >> it's the ultimate split screen where you have president biden going to pennsylvania and talking about all the jobs he's delivered. he's delivered over a million jobs for pennsylvania families since taking office, versus donald trump who is not just sitting in a courtroom making history as
donald trump sits in a new york courthouse facing a criminal trial while biden is in pennsylvania. >> i should be in pennsylvania and florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia. >> just listening to a bunch of swing states, and proof trump's legal woes have entered the race. joining us, former senior aide for the biden and harris candidacy. >> you have one presumptive republican nominee and former president seated at a defense table in a manhattan courtroom, and on...
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barnstorming swing through a vital battleground state, pennsylvania. that, in itself, might be the contrast they want. appreciate all the ground covered by white house reporter for bloomberg news, akayla gardner. thank you again. >>> thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. >>> "morning joe" starts right now. >> trump was in pennsylvania and took a moment to talk about local history. >> gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was. the battlegettysburg. unbelievable. it was so interesting and vicious and horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. it represented such a big portion of the success of this country. gettysburg, wow, i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania, to look and to watch. >> what a stirring order. i look forward to ken burns' updated documentary. ♪♪ >> my dearest martha, wow. today we fought at gettysburg. it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and so beautiful in so many ways. but all worth it to protect every person, woman, man, camera, and future tv. for as it says in
barnstorming swing through a vital battleground state, pennsylvania. that, in itself, might be the contrast they want. appreciate all the ground covered by white house reporter for bloomberg news, akayla gardner. thank you again. >>> thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. >>> "morning joe" starts right now. >> trump was in pennsylvania and took a moment to talk about local history. >> gettysburg,...
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>> yeah, the president is going to be in pennsylvania for three days. this is something we have not really seen him do yet with a single state. if he spends this much time on the road, he's usually hitting multiple states. but he is in his home state of scranton -- or will be going to scranton, his home state of pennsylvania, before he heads to pittsburgh and philadelphia. these are two of the biggest cities in the state. all are blue. as you mentioned, the issue of the economy still weighs heavy on voters' hearts. the campaign and the white house have really tried to remind voters what the country was like in 2020. the raging pandemic, job losses, and, yet, they feel as though they have had a strong recovery, but that is something that is still hard for voters to swallow who are seeing higher prices at the grocery store, on rent, and they're really going to have to push that conversation forward. i think that is exactly what the president is trying to do today. he is talking about his tax policies. he wants to restore the child tax credit. he is promis
>> yeah, the president is going to be in pennsylvania for three days. this is something we have not really seen him do yet with a single state. if he spends this much time on the road, he's usually hitting multiple states. but he is in his home state of scranton -- or will be going to scranton, his home state of pennsylvania, before he heads to pittsburgh and philadelphia. these are two of the biggest cities in the state. all are blue. as you mentioned, the issue of the economy still...
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other press accounts include pennsylvania's review include pennsylvania and driving distances of 90 minutes from the courthouse, there are several million trump voters who live on long island, connecticut and new york state in new jersey and pennsylvania who could easily have been at that courthouse today. millions of them. but they don't care that much about donald trump. will vote for him, but they want revolt for him, they won't even show up for him. answer, donald trump has given up asking them to even show up at his trials, and instead, today, he just asked them for money. money he told him he would never need when he began running to president, as he promised to pay for his campaign himself, because as he said, then, quote, i am very rich. today, he asked for what he called 1 million patriots to send him money, because he desperately needs it, because he is not rich enough. but, he didn't ask for any patriots to come to his courthouse, because he knows they won't come. they just won't come, and that is a very good sign, about just how stable this country actually is tonight. the first
other press accounts include pennsylvania's review include pennsylvania and driving distances of 90 minutes from the courthouse, there are several million trump voters who live on long island, connecticut and new york state in new jersey and pennsylvania who could easily have been at that courthouse today. millions of them. but they don't care that much about donald trump. will vote for him, but they want revolt for him, they won't even show up for him. answer, donald trump has given up asking...
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that's where i was at his rally in pennsylvania, where he referred to thousands as sit, because for donald trump, if he is found guilty and it's the one thing to keep him from behind bars, and turn them into trump voters will be absolutely consequentially. it will be keep to being actually not having to serve that prison time. he knows he has a captive audience. one man directly believed there were about 5,000 people there. i use that example, because that is reflective of, when he talks about this case, folks repeat. if he is found guilty and sentenced, he needs them to avoid potentially that fate, nicolle. >> claire, this is such an important body to have on our brains. they're going to -- we're going to understand the motions, the rulings, the pressures bearing down for trump, this is all political. the political defense isn't i didn't do it. whether or not i did it doesn't matter, because they're the deep state. because trump assembled a conspiracy to catch and killed imcoyle the rumor -- and then was reckless enough to nod do it in a way that could remained unsealed. that got him nail
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had for many middle class and midwestern voters in the rest belt when you look add what happened in pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. there were other issues that clearly voters cared about more at the time when it got to election day. >> true, but in the moment, the campaign didn't know what was going to win out and they were very worried about hemorrhaging voters they needed. also worried about hemorrhaging republicans. as you remember, republicans in pass were backing away from donald trump. posting selfie videos saying they couldn't support him. paul ryan was telling members of the caucus to follow their conscious. don't worry about going out to support donald trump. campaign advisers were fleeing in droves. i mean, you won in the end, but you weren't so sure you were going to get there after this tape. >> absolutely. no one's going to argue the tape was helpful. you're right. there was a lot of division in the party, but nonetheless, i think there were issues that overrode that. will that be the way people view this trial? i don't know yet. but probably so. much of this is baked in to the
had for many middle class and midwestern voters in the rest belt when you look add what happened in pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. there were other issues that clearly voters cared about more at the time when it got to election day. >> true, but in the moment, the campaign didn't know what was going to win out and they were very worried about hemorrhaging voters they needed. also worried about hemorrhaging republicans. as you remember, republicans in pass were backing away from donald...
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pennsylvania, to look and to watch. and the statement of robert e. lee, who's no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? no longer in favor, never fight up hill, me boys. never fight uphill. they were fighting uphill, he said, wow, that was a big mistake. he lost his great general. never fight uphill, me boys! but it was too late. >> um, that was former president trump on the campaign trail in pennsylvania on saturday. i'm thinking jon meacham, is there anything to say about what he said or -- maybe we should just move on? >> i don't think shelby foot put it exactly that way. i think that's a fair way to put it. you know, trump delivered that history lesson just outside allentown, where at times he sort of stumbled along with his speech. >> just this week, it was reported that an illegal -- and you just look at what's happening. >> so in just hours, jury selection is set to begin in donald trump's hush money criminal trial in new york city. it is the first time in u.s. history that a former president will be on trial for criminal charges. two sour
pennsylvania, to look and to watch. and the statement of robert e. lee, who's no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? no longer in favor, never fight up hill, me boys. never fight uphill. they were fighting uphill, he said, wow, that was a big mistake. he lost his great general. never fight uphill, me boys! but it was too late. >> um, that was former president trump on the campaign trail in pennsylvania on saturday. i'm thinking jon meacham, is there anything to say about what he...
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i want to the play a little about what he said about this at his rally overnight in pennsylvania. take a look. >> when i walk into that courtroom, i know that i will have the love of 200 million americans behind me, and i consider it a great badge of honor, because i am being indicted for you. >> you have written that bringing the charges against the former president in this case was, quote, below us as a country. what do you mean? what are you going to be watching for? >> oh, my gosh. one always hopes it's below us, if you know what i mean. i mean, we're going to have, like, six weeks of headlines and talking about porn star, hush money, who knew it, dramatic testimony, steamy stuff. i'm not sure that does any good. i prefer the january 6th investigation and the serious georgia case. that said, this is happening. some areas of curiosity, how long will it go? i hope it doesn't go like o.j.'s, nine months. what impact will it have that the former president will be in the court, but will -- but the testimony will not be live on tv. i don't suppose this is the sort of thing that is g
i want to the play a little about what he said about this at his rally overnight in pennsylvania. take a look. >> when i walk into that courtroom, i know that i will have the love of 200 million americans behind me, and i consider it a great badge of honor, because i am being indicted for you. >> you have written that bringing the charges against the former president in this case was, quote, below us as a country. what do you mean? what are you going to be watching for? >> oh,...
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number of young people who say they won't vote for biden on this issue, but in key states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, you don't need an overwhelming number of young people to decide to vote third party or decide not to vote because of this issue and have grave impact and elect donald trump. the palestinian people deserve the most basic humanitarian aid, and the united states government needs to be playing a more strategic role in ensuring. >> you have said that the reaction of young people to foreign policy is something you haven't seen historically. you outlined for us a little bit about why this time around is different. do you think this reflects a generational disconnect from the white house and the base or the block of young voters you're talking about? why do you think this administration is not in tune with this key political block that you're talking about? it's obvious to folks tracking it like yourself to people in the media like us following it, but it doesn't seem it has been enough for the administration to course correct on. >> look, i want to be clear about two things. one,
number of young people who say they won't vote for biden on this issue, but in key states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, you don't need an overwhelming number of young people to decide to vote third party or decide not to vote because of this issue and have grave impact and elect donald trump. the palestinian people deserve the most basic humanitarian aid, and the united states government needs to be playing a more strategic role in ensuring. >> you have said that the reaction of...
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donald trump holding on saturday night a final campaign event in battleground pennsylvania in which he rallied against this criminal trial that is about to begin against him. we are looking at a trial that lasts up to six weeks. as a criminal defendant he is required to be inside of that courtroom for the entirety of the trial which could last up to six weeks so that is where these campaign events like last night are critical for him where he is in control of the microphone and in control of the messaging because he is looking at a list of witnesses who the prosecution intes to bring against him including his own former aide, hope hicks, stormy daniels, and his own personal former lawyer michael cohen who is preparing to testify against him. this all has to do with the alleged scheme over the $130,000 payment that cohen made before the 2016 election and the reimbursement checks that were sent by donald trump to michael cohen to cover those costs. and the extent to which donald trump was aware of this scheme to silence stormy daniels story of her alleged affair. this come with less than
donald trump holding on saturday night a final campaign event in battleground pennsylvania in which he rallied against this criminal trial that is about to begin against him. we are looking at a trial that lasts up to six weeks. as a criminal defendant he is required to be inside of that courtroom for the entirety of the trial which could last up to six weeks so that is where these campaign events like last night are critical for him where he is in control of the microphone and in control of...
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however, key states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin you don't need an overwhelming number of young people to decide to vote third party or not to vote for this issue and have great, great, great implications that could elect donald trump. that is why we are trying to push the administration in the right direction. and because the palestinian people deserve the most basic humanitarian aid and the united states government needs to be playing a more strategic role in ensuring that. >> you said the reaction among young people is something you have not seen. why is this time around is different? do you think it reflects a generational disconnect from the white house and the base or the block of young voters that you are talking about? why do you think this administration is not in tune with this key political block that you are talking about? obvious to folks who are tracking it to people in the media like us following it but it does not seem to be enough to course correct on. >> i want to be clear on two things. one, this kungry has seen a huge increase of people increasing in foreign
however, key states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin you don't need an overwhelming number of young people to decide to vote third party or not to vote for this issue and have great, great, great implications that could elect donald trump. that is why we are trying to push the administration in the right direction. and because the palestinian people deserve the most basic humanitarian aid and the united states government needs to be playing a more strategic role in ensuring that. >>...
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if you get the right number, michigan, pennsylvania, arizona, that can make all of the difference in the world t. is kind of an unknown question here >> peter what do we know about president bidden and his campaign plan to handle this first trump trial. >> well, i think you will see them saying nothing about it. does not want to play into the idea that this is anything to do with politics, anything to do with biden administration. it is a state prosecutor. trump accused the state prosecutor, a democrat, of doing the bidding. there is zero evidence to that. none whatsoever. that is a case that former president trump will try to make in order to defend himself and pretend it is all about politics and not about the law. so, president bid zen not want to do anything to feed into that by commenting on it and looking like he is taking advantage of it. does not mean the democrats mate >> the. the campaign himself -- democrats might not. the campaign will remain silent on it >> let me ask you about that, charles, the "new york times," the poll, it shows this race between donald trump and pre
if you get the right number, michigan, pennsylvania, arizona, that can make all of the difference in the world t. is kind of an unknown question here >> peter what do we know about president bidden and his campaign plan to handle this first trump trial. >> well, i think you will see them saying nothing about it. does not want to play into the idea that this is anything to do with politics, anything to do with biden administration. it is a state prosecutor. trump accused the state...
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the near courtroom as jury selection begins but last night he opted to hold a rally and battleground pennsylvania where he tested the limits of his newly expanded gag. joined me now is jake taylor. you have been following donald trump through this unique campaign journey. what did he say last night at the rally and what can we expect for tomorrow? >> hosting the campaign yesterday it was clear that the former president was in a new york state of mind. i have attended most of his rallies and is quick to talk about the criminal cases he's facing and none more so than last night and specifically the hush mini trial. there are two big things he was attempting to send home with supporters and the first is it a criminally strategic time trial to get him off the campaign trail and he said it a ton last night and he made the claim that over 200 million americans are on his side and believe he is wrongfully being tried. take a listen. >> here's the thing, they could've done this thing seven years ago. there trying to rush it but they do it right for in the middle of our election campaign . when i walk int
the near courtroom as jury selection begins but last night he opted to hold a rally and battleground pennsylvania where he tested the limits of his newly expanded gag. joined me now is jake taylor. you have been following donald trump through this unique campaign journey. what did he say last night at the rally and what can we expect for tomorrow? >> hosting the campaign yesterday it was clear that the former president was in a new york state of mind. i have attended most of his rallies...
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yesterday in pennsylvania, at his final rally before the trial, trump again cast himself as a political victim. a new reaction to trump's assertion he will absolutely testify in his own defense, a vote of confidence from one of his lawyers. >> that's going to be a decision for president trump and the trial team. depending on how the trial progresses. i would say if he does take the stand, president trump will be a compelling witness. he did nothing wrong here. >> let's bring in lisa rueben, msnbc legal correspondence. she'll be in the courtroom when arguments begin and with me here in the studio is kate kristabeck. now new york times reporter. kate is one of three authors breaking down profiles of the jurors that each side will be looking for. we have a lot of questions to pose to kate on that. lisa, you first. more than 6,000 juror summons went out for this week. 500 potential jurors are expected in court tomorrow. how will their day start? will they know which case they're being considered for? >> i missed part of the question, alex. first of all, the 6,000 jurors will be allocated to
yesterday in pennsylvania, at his final rally before the trial, trump again cast himself as a political victim. a new reaction to trump's assertion he will absolutely testify in his own defense, a vote of confidence from one of his lawyers. >> that's going to be a decision for president trump and the trial team. depending on how the trial progresses. i would say if he does take the stand, president trump will be a compelling witness. he did nothing wrong here. >> let's bring in lisa...
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often times, they feel like they get left in the dark in pennsylvania. they recognize that he has delivered for them, and he will continue to keep delivering for them. i think this is a continuation of the work the president has doing. >> former white house chief of staff -- for the president campaign saying, quote, i think the president is out there too much talking about bridges. instead needs to focus more on rising costs. saying, he is not a congressman. he is not running for congress. that is a fools errand. >> with all due respects to him, i think he is wrong. we had a bridge collapse out of nowhere seemingly. the president helped get that bridge rebuilt in record time. i just held a press conference a month ago announcing $130 million investment to rebuild our infrastructure here in western mania. and that is because of the resources that president biden has sent to the state. people are concerned about their aging infrastructure, about whether their roads and bridges are safe. i think president biden can talk about that, the issues he will outlin
often times, they feel like they get left in the dark in pennsylvania. they recognize that he has delivered for them, and he will continue to keep delivering for them. i think this is a continuation of the work the president has doing. >> former white house chief of staff -- for the president campaign saying, quote, i think the president is out there too much talking about bridges. instead needs to focus more on rising costs. saying, he is not a congressman. he is not running for...
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he has a rally in pennsylvania. this is the place where he, along with his keyboard for social media, is able to strikem his own legal defense, if you may. but not under oath. which he may very well do, suggesting, just yesterday at mar-a-lago in response to question from gabe gutierrez, of whether he will testify on his own defense. he said he may do that. he may speak his truth. this is where you are looking at the prosecution, potentially, getting to question donald trump 30 have a cast of witnesses lined up, including stormy daniels herself , former trump eight hope hicks. also, michael cohen, his former lawyer. someone who served prison time and pleaded guilty to federal prosecutors in 2018 for his own role in this scheme. i want to let you listen to michael cohen and his first interview in a long while that took place this morning with the weekend team talking about donald trump, potentially taking the stand but also donald trump taking the hot seat and being the person who is the criminal defendant. take a li
he has a rally in pennsylvania. this is the place where he, along with his keyboard for social media, is able to strikem his own legal defense, if you may. but not under oath. which he may very well do, suggesting, just yesterday at mar-a-lago in response to question from gabe gutierrez, of whether he will testify on his own defense. he said he may do that. he may speak his truth. this is where you are looking at the prosecution, potentially, getting to question donald trump 30 have a cast of...
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we are in the heart of pennsylvania, battleground state. for donald trump he will have to be inside of that courtroom for this trial that we are expecting to take up to six weeks. for all intents and purposes here at campaign rallies like this one this is the place where he will be in control of the microphone. that is why you have heard him in the last 24 hours suggest that he may even take the stand himself and testify on his own behalf in this trial. >> this morning former president trump just two days out from the start of his first criminal trial. mr. trump signaling to nbc that he intends to take the stand and testify in his own defense. >> you plan to testify in your trial? >> yeah. i will testify. absolutely. >> is it risky for you to testify? >> i tell the truth. all i can do is tell the truth and the truth is that there's no case. they have no case. >> last night the judge in the new york case rejecting the trump legal team's effort to delay the case. mr. trump charged with 34 felony counts as part of an alleged scheme in which he
we are in the heart of pennsylvania, battleground state. for donald trump he will have to be inside of that courtroom for this trial that we are expecting to take up to six weeks. for all intents and purposes here at campaign rallies like this one this is the place where he will be in control of the microphone. that is why you have heard him in the last 24 hours suggest that he may even take the stand himself and testify on his own behalf in this trial. >> this morning former president...
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studies professor and graduate chair at the university of pennsylvania, also an msnbc columnist. she wrote the book, white evangelical racism, the politics of morality in america. my old friend, peter is here, contributing writer for the atlantic and senior fellow at the trinity for him and catherine stewart joins us. investigative reporter and author who has covered religious liberty, politics, policy, and education for over a decade. her latest work is the power worshipers, inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. this is such an important conversation. the conservative christians and religious right have always been a political force or at least for the last several decades. , but this is different, what is christian nationalism. >> mr. nationalism is the belief that america is a christian nation, made to be a christian nation, the church and state separation that jefferson talked about is not applicable, basically they want church and state to be together. the other part of this is that they look at what the founders and framers did so, therefore, flynn said it. he
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he voted not to certify, for example, y,pennsylvania's electors. and in a conversation with me a couple of days later on the floor, right next to the washington-- george washington, beautiful painting, he tried to defend his brief about the false election, and his vote not to certify the election. not to certify the pennsylvania electors, not to mention the others. the speaker is in a very precarious place. he literally cannot say who is a free and fair winner of the election, did you notice that? c when he was asked upon his ascension to the speakership? he is in a very precarious place and he is not acting a speaker, obviously. the former president is acting as speaker, and i guess mr. johnson is just down there as his whip. >> well, depending on what happens in this trial, i guess we will see whether or not donald trump ends up being cut a convicted felon. yet, house speaker, de facto, donald trump, thank you for getting us started, i really appreciate you. thank you. >> to be with you. >>> and today, donald trump's two codefendants in the class
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graduate chair at the university of pennsylvania. she is also an msnbc columnist. she wrote the book "white evangelical racism". >> peter is here, the contributing writer for the atlantic . catherine store joins us. investigative reporter and author who is covered fully just -- religious liberty for over a decade. her latest work is the power worshipers inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. this is such an important conversation. people don't realize what is happening. the conservative christians and the religious right have always been a political force or at least for the last several decades. but, this is different. what is christian nationalism? >> it is the belief that america is a christian nation and was made to be a christian nation for that church and state separation that jefferson talked about in the dan barry letter is not applicable. they want church and state to be together. the other part of this is they look at what the founders and framers said and said oh no, this is a christian nation. like general flynn said it when he got upset wi
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what josh hawley elected to mention was it was the republican pennsylvania legislature that voted to loosen restrictions on mail-in voting and they did it before the pandemic in 2019, not in 2020, as he said. what's more, the pennsylvania state supreme court unanimously upheld the 2020 election under that law. but, josh hawley from missouri didn't like it. the fact that these so-called concerns about the election laws, or the changes, totally fall apart under even the smallest amount of scrutiny has not prevented them from becoming the respectable party line. >> i think there were lots of problems with 2020. ultimately, he won the election but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. 100%. >> that's fair. >> i don't think he won it fair. not going to say that. >> i'm not here to litigate 2020. i'm running in 2024, i'm running for the u.s. senate. i do say we have to get conference back in our election system. >> is your confidence back ? >> look is there concerns? yes, of course. but, you know, again, i don't want to spend my time talking about 2020. i'm talking about 2024
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pennsylvania obviously a key battleground this time around. how does the campaign feel about the state they won in-16? >> pennsylvania is one of the states in michigan and wic, this blue wall where biden has been doing better in the polls most recently. it's no surprise trump is going there to remind voters about himself. it's very noteworthy the biden campaign has been very organized and deliberate about opening field offices and kind of getting their ground operation setup, while trump is far behind on that. he's spending more time trying to raise money, recommending more money raising money while biden is spending money on the ground trying to convince to raise money for voters. >> your latest piece for bloomberg carries this headline. trump allies are losing their luster as a key campaign tool. it's so striking. these rallies are frankly a political phenomenon of the last decade or so in terms of whooping up enthusiasm, also collecting data. why are they less effective this time around? >> yeah, so we've really seen a shift in what these r
pennsylvania obviously a key battleground this time around. how does the campaign feel about the state they won in-16? >> pennsylvania is one of the states in michigan and wic, this blue wall where biden has been doing better in the polls most recently. it's no surprise trump is going there to remind voters about himself. it's very noteworthy the biden campaign has been very organized and deliberate about opening field offices and kind of getting their ground operation setup, while trump...
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it's not going to be on the ballot in the rust belt, michigan, pennsylvania. there's big states in the midwest and pennsylvania that do not have abortion on the ballot and it won't drive out voters in the same way. >> you know, this country has really had a lesson in what the consequences or, to use donald trump's words, punishment, because he believes there should be punishment for any doctor who conducts an abortion or any woman who receives an abortion. one thing i'll say is there's a lot of talk from the campaign that talk about reproductive freedom. this is the right to basic health care. this is for women having problems, women who are miscarrying, people who need procedures considered similar to abortions that will not be able to get them. this is basic health care. i think they should drive that point home. i feel the two challenges for the campaign will be this one, making sure they get the message out, and also the economy, which biden has had so many successes. >> on the first part, i think it's important that we expand the issue to where it really
it's not going to be on the ballot in the rust belt, michigan, pennsylvania. there's big states in the midwest and pennsylvania that do not have abortion on the ballot and it won't drive out voters in the same way. >> you know, this country has really had a lesson in what the consequences or, to use donald trump's words, punishment, because he believes there should be punishment for any doctor who conducts an abortion or any woman who receives an abortion. one thing i'll say is there's a...
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at arizona and nevada, that just as a strategic matter is for biden, the upper midwest, wisconsin, pennsylvania, now you have this sort of mountain west area where this will be a key issue with two other swing states that are going to be important to him. >> one of the other reasons arizona is interesting to me and you is it has the largest latino population share of any battleground state. you got an axios ipsos poll showing joe biden losing ground to latino voters. i come back to the question that is top of mind in homes like mine and i'm sure homes like yours which is why is this happening? >> what we're seeing with latinos is kind of that migration toward trump, but that latest poll that you cite, alicia, also shows while there's that disenchantment towards president biden, that there's still a firm hold on core democratic issues, namely, not as restrictive immigration policy and support for abortion rights. i think the problem here really centers on the lack of connection with the candidate, that president joe biden is not connecting with the latino base like a george w. bush did, even lik
at arizona and nevada, that just as a strategic matter is for biden, the upper midwest, wisconsin, pennsylvania, now you have this sort of mountain west area where this will be a key issue with two other swing states that are going to be important to him. >> one of the other reasons arizona is interesting to me and you is it has the largest latino population share of any battleground state. you got an axios ipsos poll showing joe biden losing ground to latino voters. i come back to the...
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in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, biden has unique challenges. michigan, the gaza issue is a big deal, wisconsin, pennsylvania, both places where frankly these inflation issues played pretty heavily. so i think what biden knows is he's got to come on very very strong on behalf of the union jobs, and frankly, the concerns of working class communities. if he does, he blunts a lot of donald trump's appeal. if he fails to do so, then he puts himself in the same position that hillary clinton ended up in in 2016 where it didn't matter what she said about a host of other issues, she wasn't able to keep that democratic coalition together in some of the battleground states. >> that blue wall, as we know it. donald trump wants it, president biden wants to keep it together. on the issue of georgia, on the issue of arizona, do you see abortion to be a central issue, and president biden getting those states once again? >> i absolutely believe all eyes will be on arizona in 2024, and a portion of what everyone is talking about right now. that's why we're runni
in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, biden has unique challenges. michigan, the gaza issue is a big deal, wisconsin, pennsylvania, both places where frankly these inflation issues played pretty heavily. so i think what biden knows is he's got to come on very very strong on behalf of the union jobs, and frankly, the concerns of working class communities. if he does, he blunts a lot of donald trump's appeal. if he fails to do so, then he puts himself in the same position that hillary clinton...
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so we hear from voters in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, undecided voters. okay. and they are states of course that donald trump narrowly swept in 2016 and then joe biden in 2020. let's start. here are their answers when they're asked about how president biden is doing on the economy. take a listen. >> i think he's been absolutely disastrous for the economy. >> uh-huh. i agree. >> if you think president trump's policies on the economy would be better for your family personally raise your hand. all right. so that is everybody. president biden argues that his economic record has been very good, president trump's was not as good. what are you keying off of? sean, since you had -- what are you keying off of to say president trump's economic policies would be bet. >> reporter: >> i mean, my past performance of my 401(k). i know it was post 2020 and everything kind of flipped around, but you can't blame everything on 2020 forever. >> we have areas here in pennsylvania where it's just at a standstill right now. like things are supposed to be being built and the interest
so we hear from voters in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, undecided voters. okay. and they are states of course that donald trump narrowly swept in 2016 and then joe biden in 2020. let's start. here are their answers when they're asked about how president biden is doing on the economy. take a listen. >> i think he's been absolutely disastrous for the economy. >> uh-huh. i agree. >> if you think president trump's policies on the economy would be better for your family...